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orangecrush

(19,900 posts)
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 06:27 PM Feb 2022

"What created the new, more aggressive Putin" - a must read

If you want to understand the situation.

At least, I found it eye opening.



(CNN)Russia's buildup of troops at its border with Ukraine has created a diplomatic standoff between Russia and the US, the world's two largest nuclear powers.

For a better understanding of how we got to this point, and what could come next, I talked to Michael Kimmage, a professor at the Catholic University of America. He specializes in US-Russia relations and is a voice for engagement with Russia and a more nuanced view of the country.
Our conversation, conducted by email and lightly edited, is below.
RELATED: The latest on Ukraine and Russia tensions
The difference between now and the Cold War
WHAT MATTERS: Let's start with a very general question. If the Cold War was about US capitalism vs. USSR communism, what is the standoff between Russia and the West about today?
KIMMAGE: It is less sweeping than the Cold War. It is, at its core, a contest for influence in Eastern and Central Europe. The Cold War, by contrast, was defined by the Iron Curtain. The military situation was mostly settled after 1949. That is why ideological conflict (over capitalism and democracy) was so intense; it was the real arena of competition."



https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/12/politics/putin-russia-ukraine-us-what-matters/index.html



Much, much more at link.

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"What created the new, more aggressive Putin" - a must read (Original Post) orangecrush Feb 2022 OP
👀 underpants Feb 2022 #1
Cool orangecrush Feb 2022 #2
Thanks for sharing. Moebym Feb 2022 #3
You're welcome! orangecrush Feb 2022 #5
Putin said the biggest tragedy of the 20th century was the break up of the Soviet Union PortTack Feb 2022 #4
He is beholden orangecrush Feb 2022 #6
KNR and bookmarking. For later. niyad Feb 2022 #7
Absolute power needs an outlet. Weapons need a war. Greed needs to be satiated. Samrob Feb 2022 #8
K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #9
One observation I can agree with from personal experience DFW Feb 2022 #10

Moebym

(989 posts)
3. Thanks for sharing.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 06:57 PM
Feb 2022

I've read the entire interview.

Let's just say that I'm glad I'm not one of the people who had been tasked with threading these needles.

PortTack

(32,953 posts)
4. Putin said the biggest tragedy of the 20th century was the break up of the Soviet Union
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 06:57 PM
Feb 2022

In one of his recent rambling speeches he said this...tells one every thing needed to know about his narrow narcissistic mind.

Forget 2 world wars, 6 million dead in death camps, the Spanish flu. He’s every bit as crazy as the orange mass!

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
8. Absolute power needs an outlet. Weapons need a war. Greed needs to be satiated.
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 08:06 AM
Feb 2022

And hate needs a target. Humans need to survive. Otherwise most of what is going on in the world makes no sense.

"The world is too much with us."

Those in power should just sit back and listen to some fine music of their choice.

DFW

(54,908 posts)
10. One observation I can agree with from personal experience
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 09:16 AM
Feb 2022

The Russians as a people are not hostile to America. I still run into Russian colleagues on occasion, and they are as friendly and as cordial as they ever were. The imperialistic ambitions of their leadership are not shared by the populace in general.

What Putin must know intellectually, even if his emotional training in the KGB won't let him admit it, is that NATO and the west don't want economic basket cases like Moldova, Ukraine and Belarus as part of them. Ukraine might WANT to be part of the EU and NATO, but in their position, who can blame them? They see what happened when poor countries like Greece, Slovakia and Portugal joined the EU: money from taxpayers in Germany, France and the UK flowed into their coffers and built up infrastructure they never would have been able to afford on their own. The only "support" that Ukraine and Belarus have to expect from Putin's Russia is military force, which is not edible. Moldova is another basket case that no one wants. It is divided between ethnic Romanians and ethnic Russians. While Putin would welcome them back into the Soviet Empire, he doesn't want to feed them, either.

Putin could still risk an invasion, but he would do well to remember the words of one of the inner circle of another ambitious imperialistic power that invaded his own country:

“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

The author of that quote committed suicide soon after the interview, rather than be executed by the powers that defeated his ambitions. That was Hitler's buddy, Hermann Göring. They were accomplished propagandists. A friend of my father-in-law was 10 years old when WWII ended. Stuck into the Hitlerjugend, he was born into a Germany already under Nazi rule. He would tell us that there was no way we could possibly even imagine the extent to which he and generation had been brainwashed (he had never heard of Fox "News" ).

If Putin invades Ukraine, you can bet that Echo Moskvy will be immediately silenced, and that the whole measure will be presented to the Russian people as an exercise of patriotic "brotherly assistance," which is how the Soviet propagandists sold the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. That didn't turn out so well, and neither would this.

By the way, I have mentioned this before, but in going back to one part of Göring's quote: "Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?" Obviously few WANTED to, but it's not like they were given a choice. There was a draft, and resistance meant an instant death sentence. My father-in-law WAS that "slob on a farm." He was drafted at age 17, sent to Stalingrad as cannon fodder. At age 19, he did return. He did NOT return in one piece. Putin will find few of his people interested in sharing that fate.

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