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BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:14 PM Jan 2022

Did Garland just say...?

"These acts and threats of violence are not associated with any one set of partisan or ideological views" regarding threats against Congresspeople, judges, and school boards?

You just lost me dude. One step forward, ten steps back. Every example he gave was specifically of the aberrant behavior in which Republicans/white nationalists/conservo-terrorists have felt emboldened to engage. He can't talk about getting to the root of the problem by denying the problem has a root. This guy is rudderless.

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Did Garland just say...? (Original Post) BaronChocula Jan 2022 OP
Incredible. PTWB Jan 2022 #1
He must be a Chuck Todd fan! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2022 #2
Yes XanaDUer2 Jan 2022 #3
Holy crap leftstreet Jan 2022 #4
Yes indeed. BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #28
lol yep WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #5
It was an Tickle Jan 2022 #6
God forbid you piss off angry Trumpers BaronChocula Jan 2022 #8
Exactly TheRealNorth Jan 2022 #23
I agree with you DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #61
Also, he is the AG TimeToGo Jan 2022 #65
Agreed DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #73
He's probably getting a phone call from the White House right about now FakeNoose Jan 2022 #7
Vice President Harris should have written his speech. BaronChocula Jan 2022 #9
True that! BComplex Jan 2022 #12
I know, I wanted her for Attorney General too FakeNoose Jan 2022 #14
That's what I think Rebl2 Jan 2022 #71
No, "VP Harris should have been appointed AG," that would've been a demotion from being a senator. PunkinPi Jan 2022 #79
I disagree, He said, We don't care if the threat is made by a liberal or a conservative, all threats ShazamIam Jan 2022 #10
He said verbatim what I quoted in my post. BaronChocula Jan 2022 #21
he essentially equated BLM protests with violent storming of Capitol. Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #27
He didn't say that, that is how you heard it. I don't like it but understand why he had to say it. ShazamIam Jan 2022 #48
the DOJ has to appear unbiased... agingdem Jan 2022 #11
I initially cringed (exploded), but then realized if anyone has to thread that needle... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2022 #13
Agreed, and that's a good way of putting it. nt crickets Jan 2022 #26
not one second of it... agingdem Jan 2022 #31
He could have said nothing about political ideology BaronChocula Jan 2022 #24
He had to address it since conservatives and their media have publicly claimed ShazamIam Jan 2022 #32
I agree. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2022 #42
It's not his job to placate weasely pro-violence white nationalists. BaronChocula Jan 2022 #45
That is how you see it, you wanted a more divisive partisan kind of statement. I think he made it ShazamIam Jan 2022 #47
I think the DOJ is focused on Federal & Congressional law and regulations, the Supreme Court makes ShazamIam Jan 2022 #78
Yup. Individual responsibility, rather than group excuses. lindysalsagal Jan 2022 #56
Ugh budkin Jan 2022 #15
That was the one clunker in the speech. crickets Jan 2022 #16
yeah, and it's blowing up on twitter already Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #20
Yes, because otherwise it seemed like he was spot on. I guess he was really trying to hit the sweet LymphocyteLover Jan 2022 #52
As you cited Pantagruel Jan 2022 #17
He didn't have to lie. BaronChocula Jan 2022 #29
On this site, if I said something threatening or extremely violent, I would expect a fwvinson Jan 2022 #75
I was astonished to hear the "both siderism" re: "political violence on both sides." Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #18
He might as well have gone full out with that comparison BaronChocula Jan 2022 #33
Yes, he went there! Sickening Emile Jan 2022 #19
from Thom Hartmann Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #22
Posting RT's Hartmann to claim political dishonesty?! Hortensis Jan 2022 #35
just get over it. Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #37
But Hartmann isn't. Neither are the Russians, the Republican Hortensis Jan 2022 #41
You are equating Thom with all those other groups???? Ferrets are Cool Jan 2022 #62
I'm grouping him with all those who helped sabotage Democrats Hortensis Jan 2022 #67
And you know what happens now? durablend Jan 2022 #40
:) Right. Just more proof that we can't stop the idiocy of OTHERS, Hortensis Jan 2022 #44
Yeah - I listened and I'm reading the transcript JustAnotherGen Jan 2022 #64
... Hortensis Jan 2022 #72
Those number of groups involved in 1/6 had one common denominator... progressoid Jan 2022 #74
Garland - "Hitler and the Allies need to knock it off. This has nothing to do with politics." Oneironaut Jan 2022 #25
you nailed it Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #30
and of course... BaronChocula Jan 2022 #34
"How do we know Antifa wuzn't at teh Capital as well?!!1!" Oneironaut Jan 2022 #43
No he is being consistent IbogaProject Jan 2022 #36
that's not what he said. nt Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #38
He's technically right. One doesn't need to be a Republican to be a White Nationalist. haele Jan 2022 #39
The republican party is the political arm of the white nationalist movement. BaronChocula Jan 2022 #57
Anybody surprised. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #46
He's blunting the "political persecution" tact they are piling on with. Nt Baked Potato Jan 2022 #49
You think the guy who threatened the judge in NJ was a Trumper? Effete Snob Jan 2022 #50
Guess that's the same as 3825-87867 Jan 2022 #55
There have been a few incidents from the left bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #51
I didn't hear bothsiderism. I heard: "If you think terrorists are all brown & black & non-Christian. Hekate Jan 2022 #53
+1000 ancianita Jan 2022 #58
Because people frequently hear what they want to hear peggysue2 Jan 2022 #77
I have not heard it but from your quote I think that he does not want it question everything Jan 2022 #54
Bothsiderist Garland. Unbelievable. kairos12 Jan 2022 #59
It was a very good move jmowreader Jan 2022 #60
He is absolutely right! Beastly Boy Jan 2022 #63
Interpretation of the spoken word NEVER fails to amaze me. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2022 #66
Amazing interpretations of an easily understood statement. ChazInAz Jan 2022 #70
Emphasis on... FeelingBlue Jan 2022 #68
I hope he didn't get into the ol "there are good people on both sides" bullshit but lets hope he's yaesu Jan 2022 #69
Sean Hannity will love that statement. He's always going on about the Antifa and BLM "rioters" progressoid Jan 2022 #76

BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
8. God forbid you piss off angry Trumpers
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:22 PM
Jan 2022

when you can engage in a fruitless attempt to "win them back."

DENVERPOPS

(9,252 posts)
61. I agree with you
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:12 PM
Jan 2022

and not a number of agitated DUers posting.

He must have the appearance of being un-biased in his search for the truth. There is much time later for direct attacks on individuals with massive evidence of their crimes. It serves no purpose to put the Republicans on defense from the start.........

TimeToGo

(1,371 posts)
65. Also, he is the AG
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:39 PM
Jan 2022

He isn't the enforcer for the party. Now, that said, there's still no reason to even suggest both sides.

The proof will be in what happens next. Are they being methodical, or are they dragging their feet.

DENVERPOPS

(9,252 posts)
73. Agreed
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:07 PM
Jan 2022

The proof is in the pudding, as the old adage says.........

I really enjoyed his bringing up the supreme court 2013 decision, and all the chipping away that they have done to voting rights since then...........

No wonder Moscow Mitch was frightened about Obama appointing him to the Supreme Court.

I just hope that we don't get yet another milk toast and white washed like with Mueller.........

It has now already dragged on a full year, and the 2022 election is now down to 10 months and closing fast........

There are still 70 million who are confident they won't make the same mistakes they made on 1/6 the next time...............
and regretfully will probably also target state capitols as well this time around..........

BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
9. Vice President Harris should have written his speech.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:23 PM
Jan 2022

Hell! Vice President Harris should have been appointed AG!

PunkinPi

(4,904 posts)
79. No, "VP Harris should have been appointed AG," that would've been a demotion from being a senator.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:09 AM
Jan 2022

She's exactly where she needs to be and I'm grateful that she is.

ShazamIam

(2,623 posts)
10. I disagree, He said, We don't care if the threat is made by a liberal or a conservative, all threats
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:24 PM
Jan 2022

and acts of violence will be prosecuted.

Why did that lose you?

BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
21. He said verbatim what I quoted in my post.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:31 PM
Jan 2022

What bothers me is that the trend of political violence is NOT emerging on both sides. The same anger, resentment and hostility that backed the Trump presidency is the same anger, resentment, and hostility fueling the threats of political violence and ACTUAL political violence. There is no progressive equivalent of Qanon, Proud Boys, anti-government militia and on and on. Those are the facts. To whitewash the relationship between "conservative" anger and heightened states of alert bothers the shit out of me.

Grasswire2

(13,611 posts)
27. he essentially equated BLM protests with violent storming of Capitol.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:38 PM
Jan 2022

You can try to interpret it.

But someone should have stopped him from making that statement about "political violence on both sides"

agingdem

(8,080 posts)
11. the DOJ has to appear unbiased...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:24 PM
Jan 2022

I suppose that derails any exploding heads screaming "what about blah blah blah..." I take comfort in the fact that the DOJ is, in fact, investigating 1/6...

Pacifist Patriot

(24,665 posts)
13. I initially cringed (exploded), but then realized if anyone has to thread that needle...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:27 PM
Jan 2022

It's the DOJ. I know he doesn't believe it for a minute.

agingdem

(8,080 posts)
31. not one second of it...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:39 PM
Jan 2022

he's letting the loathsome Jordan/Gosar/McCarthy et al know his DOJ is not "working" for Biden..so they can STFU about left wing bias...

BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
24. He could have said nothing about political ideology
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:34 PM
Jan 2022

Instead of lying and saying there was no ideological association with the violence and threats of violence. He lied. You don't have to lie to appear unbiased.

ShazamIam

(2,623 posts)
32. He had to address it since conservatives and their media have publicly claimed
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:39 PM
Jan 2022

his announcement to punish those who threaten public officials was a violation of their free speech.

He covered both the free speech lie and the partisan witch hunt claim.

BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
45. It's not his job to placate weasely pro-violence white nationalists.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:00 PM
Jan 2022

His job is to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

ShazamIam

(2,623 posts)
47. That is how you see it, you wanted a more divisive partisan kind of statement. I think he made it
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:05 PM
Jan 2022

perfectly clear they are on the hunt for the Jan 6ers and those who threaten public officials.

He has to address the existing set of beliefs, now it is up to the news people to parse that statement,
He didn't give them the chance to claim it is a partisan witch hunt targeting only conservatives.

ShazamIam

(2,623 posts)
78. I think the DOJ is focused on Federal & Congressional law and regulations, the Supreme Court makes
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:01 AM
Jan 2022

the decision about the Constitutional status of the laws the DOJ enforces.

lindysalsagal

(21,080 posts)
56. Yup. Individual responsibility, rather than group excuses.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:55 PM
Jan 2022

It was an attempt to get these morons to remember that they are not allowed to follow nutjobs without consequences.

crickets

(26,093 posts)
16. That was the one clunker in the speech.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:28 PM
Jan 2022

It was aimed at quelling shouts of partisanship aimed at him and the DOJ, but it's a shame he felt he had to say it that way. The threats and violence were from one partisan group only, and he knows it. We all do.

LymphocyteLover

(5,871 posts)
52. Yes, because otherwise it seemed like he was spot on. I guess he was really trying to hit the sweet
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:44 PM
Jan 2022

spot of bipartisanship.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
17. As you cited
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:28 PM
Jan 2022

the threats come from various groups, "Republicans/white nationalists/conservo-terrorists "and more, and MG is correct and fair in his account. Our impatience here at DU was not pandered to , MG simply gave an update on a huge, ONGOING legal undertaking. I think his hand on the rudder is quite steady, veering off in partisan pursuits will not serve justice.

BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
29. He didn't have to lie.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:38 PM
Jan 2022

Those examples of upticks in threats of violence ARE COMPLETELY associated with one "ideology." He didn't have to mention an ideological association at all. That would have been better than lying.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
75. On this site, if I said something threatening or extremely violent, I would expect a
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:11 PM
Jan 2022

call from the FBI.

Grasswire2

(13,611 posts)
18. I was astonished to hear the "both siderism" re: "political violence on both sides."
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:29 PM
Jan 2022

What the hell?

Is he equating BLM protests with the violent attack on the Capitol?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Posting RT's Hartmann to claim political dishonesty?!
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jan 2022

That's classic.

He spoke the simple truth about the domestic extremists being investigated by the thousands across the nation. They are NOT all trumpists or Republicans. A large majority are RW, but not all. Some are LW extremists.

Did Hartmann mention that? Straight to the trash.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. But Hartmann isn't. Neither are the Russians, the Republican
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:52 PM
Jan 2022

traitors, LW subversives, useful idiots and agents of all types who could still destroy our democracy.

Not at least questioning Hartmann's agenda over all these years, and examining the crowd drawn to his messaging, is...failing in due diligence.

Why not read what's been learned about those spoken of?

Ferrets are Cool

(21,211 posts)
62. You are equating Thom with all those other groups????
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:16 PM
Jan 2022

Unbelievable. Thom has done MORE for democracy than 99.9% of ALL Americans. Shame on you. It has earned you a mute. Goodbye.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
67. I'm grouping him with all those who helped sabotage Democrats
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:48 PM
Jan 2022

while pretending the choice wasn't between Democrats and Republicans during a critical national election. The different reasons they had don't even particularly matter, from the highest ideals to the wickedest plotting, when discussing them as a group, only that they did it and who they knowingly did it with.

Including RT agent Hartmann, who claimed to be progressive while knowing that Russia was using the progressive movement to destroy America by destroying liberal progressive government.

Everyone knew it. Not cool at all.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. :) Right. Just more proof that we can't stop the idiocy of OTHERS,
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:56 PM
Jan 2022

but we are fully responsible for our own choices, however.

Spreading deceits is really, really, REALLY bad. Not exactly the kind of behavior meant when Biden talks about bringing the left and right together on common ground.

JustAnotherGen

(32,488 posts)
64. Yeah - I listened and I'm reading the transcript
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jan 2022

Searched the one word *one* and *party*

These acts and threats of violence are not associated with any one set of partisan or ideological views.


The central norm is that, in our criminal investigations, there cannot be different rules depending on one’s political party or affiliation. There cannot be different rules for friends and foes. And there cannot be different rules for the powerful and the powerless.

There is only one rule: we follow the facts and enforce the law in a way that respects the Constitution and protects civil liberties.

We conduct every investigation guided by the same norms. And we adhere to those norms even when, and especially when, the circumstances we face are not normal.


I guess I didn't hear or read the same thing Hartmann did?

And Garland is right - just look at the number of groups involved in 1/6.

Oneironaut

(5,647 posts)
25. Garland - "Hitler and the Allies need to knock it off. This has nothing to do with politics."
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:36 PM
Jan 2022

“The Holocaust wasn’t related to either side, and there are bad people on both sides!”

Oneironaut

(5,647 posts)
43. "How do we know Antifa wuzn't at teh Capital as well?!!1!"
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jan 2022

What frustrates me the most about these people is that they’re purposely acting as if the US Capitol attack, the school boards chaos, etc. are / were either not politically motivated, or, the fault of Democrats as well because of the toxic atmosphere in politics now. They’re trying to extend an olive branch to Conservatives by pretending that “Liberals do it too!” which is incredibly frustrating and spineless.

Good Lord. Just say it as it is - Pro-Trump protestors attacked the US Capitol with the intent of stopping the certification of a candidate they didn’t like, and they were told to do so by Trump and his cronies. The school board stuff and threats are coming straight from right wing hate speech, or encouragement from people like Tucker Carlson. I can’t believe the amount of mental hoops people are jumping through when making statements like Garland’s. It annoys the absolute shit out of me.

IbogaProject

(3,014 posts)
36. No he is being consistent
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jan 2022

One of the Reich Wing's 'what abouts?' was in relation to the protestors who attacked the federal courthouse in portland summer of 2020, but that was at night when most of the staff weren't there, so some of those who plead to that got comparably light sentences as opposed to the consodial, prison time some of the Jan 6 have gotten so far. He's just saying it isn't about their politics that day it's that they invaded the capitol, did violence and destruction. He is saying he prosecute violent leftists too, if it came to that.

haele

(12,823 posts)
39. He's technically right. One doesn't need to be a Republican to be a White Nationalist.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jan 2022

Or a Dominionist. Or an anti-government radical. Or a Trump voter. The root cause to participate can be based off several different political, racist, or religious stances depending on the individual participant. After all, how many people "held their noses" to vote for a specific candidate based on a left/right, religious, or radical/pragmatic reason?
I think he's talking very carefully so as not to muddy his investigation politically

Haele

BaronChocula

(1,791 posts)
57. The republican party is the political arm of the white nationalist movement.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:58 PM
Jan 2022

That's why Republicans defend white nationalists as "patriots," "very fine people," or "Real Americans." The only Republicans disliked by white nationalists are those who aren't white nationalist enough.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
50. You think the guy who threatened the judge in NJ was a Trumper?
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:34 PM
Jan 2022

The passage starts at 13:50:

LISTEN THIS TIME:



He refers to this case in particular:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/new-jersey-man-arrested-threatening-kill-federal-judge-2021-11-04/



Nov 4 (Reuters) - A New Jersey man has been arrested and charged with threatening to assault and murder a federal judge who was overseeing a lawsuit he had filed, including by telling one of his clerks that he would "put a bullet in the judge's brain."

Federal prosecutors announced the charges against Jonathan Williams, 46, late Wednesday at a time of heightened concern for judges' safety after a disgruntled attorney last year shot and killed the son of U.S. District Judge Esther Salas in New Jersey and wounded her husband.


That had nothing to do with political orientation.

3825-87867

(913 posts)
55. Guess that's the same as
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:55 PM
Jan 2022

"someone" wanting Pence hung or Pelosi killed or police killed or...!

Shows how bad "both sides are" even if one side does nothing.

bucolic_frolic

(44,532 posts)
51. There have been a few incidents from the left
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:43 PM
Jan 2022

I have no problem with what AG Garland said. It's unfair and counterproductive to misrepresent his words and the facts.

Hekate

(92,241 posts)
53. I didn't hear bothsiderism. I heard: "If you think terrorists are all brown & black & non-Christian.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:46 PM
Jan 2022

I didn't hear bothsiderism. I heard: "If you think terrorists are all brown & black & non-Christian...

…I have news for you.”

Why can't other people hear that, too?

peggysue2

(11,036 posts)
77. Because people frequently hear what they want to hear
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:21 PM
Jan 2022

I believe it's referred to as confirmation bias.

I did not hear anything remotely similar to 'bothsiderism.' What I did hear was a man committed to following the facts and the law, someone who (along with his large legal team) will relentlessly pursue responsible parties at all levels involved in the January 6th insurrection/sedition, present or not.

He was never going to tip his hand in an ongoing investigation. I was happy he expanded his comments to include serious voter suppression efforts.

It was a good presentation.

question everything

(47,991 posts)
54. I have not heard it but from your quote I think that he does not want it
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jan 2022

to be viewed as "Democratic action" but as a Constitutional one.

jmowreader

(50,802 posts)
60. It was a very good move
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jan 2022

Although the usual subjects will say otherwise, claiming you are going to prosecute all the Democrats who tried to turn America into a totalitarian dictatorship a year ago keeps this from looking like a witch hunt.

The list of Democrats that worked to do this is shorter than Trump’s penis, but we’re gonna haul them all in, just wait and see!

Beastly Boy

(10,033 posts)
63. He is absolutely right!
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:19 PM
Jan 2022

Did these threats begin a year ago? Or with Trump's inauguration? Or even with the founding of the Republican Party?

Unless you take a ridiculously narrow view of history, violence against law enforcement, or the lawmakers, or judges, or school board members have never been the exclusive domain of one party or one ideology. From the Klan, to Abolitionists, to Weather Underground, to sovereign militia, to religious zealots of all sorts; from Southern Democrats, to Anarchists, to Independents, to Libertarians, to Republicans, violence has been a thing.

I can't imagine a halfass responsible AG taking a different stance. And as far as administration of justice is concerned, I pity those Americans who are looking forward to ideology or politics to be a consideration in prosecuting crimes.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,790 posts)
66. Interpretation of the spoken word NEVER fails to amaze me.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:39 PM
Jan 2022

I thought AG Garland was clear that justice will be served and that no one is above the law. That’s good enough for me.

ChazInAz

(2,630 posts)
70. Amazing interpretations of an easily understood statement.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:57 PM
Jan 2022

Garland was perfectly clear in what he said.
Why are there so many twisting his words to give them such a meaning? This is DU, where we tend to be better at this!

FeelingBlue

(704 posts)
68. Emphasis on...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:51 PM
Jan 2022

the ONE. There are multiple partisan views: white supremacists, pro-life, libertarians, Evangelicals, etc.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
69. I hope he didn't get into the ol "there are good people on both sides" bullshit but lets hope he's
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:52 PM
Jan 2022

just trying hard to act unbiased

progressoid

(50,163 posts)
76. Sean Hannity will love that statement. He's always going on about the Antifa and BLM "rioters"
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:11 PM
Jan 2022

Fuck that shit.

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