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babylonsister

(171,137 posts)
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 08:16 AM Dec 2021

Altercation: MSM Discovers Fox 'News' Isn't News

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Altercation: MSM Discovers Fox ‘News’ Isn’t News
Only 25 years after it became obvious
by Eric Alterman
December 17, 2021


On the PBS NewsHour Tuesday night, anchor Judy Woodruff and NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik discussed the recent text messages sent by Fox News hosts to White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows during the January 6 violent insurrection. Woodruff wondered whether “in terms of what we knew about—we have known in the past they have spoken favorably of a former President Trump for years. But does this take it to a different level, do you think?” Folkenflik added, “And so I think that what you have here is a question of Fox News having that word ‘news’ appended to its name, but not operating like a news operation.”

I’ve been writing about Fox News since it first began broadcasting 25 years ago. The first story I remember had to do with the fact that New York’s then-mayor Rudy Giuliani, at the behest of Roger Ailes, used the power of his office to force Time Warner Cable to carry Fox in New York. It had originally been left off the dial and could not likely have survived without that market. That gives you a clue that maybe it was not a typical “news” station from moment one.

Those clues have been mounting on a daily basis ever since. I can’t count the number of times I’ve felt compelled, in different fora, to argue that what Fox does is not and has never been “news.” I think my clearest statement of this fact, and of the problem that everybody pretended that this was not case, came in a “Think Again” column I wrote in 2010 on the website of the Center for American Progress. The piece, headlined “Just What Exactly Is Fox News?” began with this:

Fox News Channel is often described as a cable news station. On occasion, the words “conservative” or “biased” are attached to that description. But few dispute the journalistic orientation of the overall enterprise.

This is a mistake. Fox is something new—something for which we do not yet have a word. It provides almost no actual journalism. Instead, it gives ideological guidance to the Republican Party and millions of its supporters, attacking its opponents and keeping its supporters in line. And it does so at a hefty profit, thereby turning itself into the political equivalent of a perpetual motion machine.


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I can’t bear at this point to list all the times I’ve tried to make the point that “‘real’ journalists debase themselves and their profession by participating in the destructive and debilitating charade” of treating Fox “journalists” as their colleagues. Readers might recall that, at one point, the Obama administration tried to address Fox’s dishonesty by barring its officials from appearing on Fox’s Sunday shows. The administration was attacked—and Fox defended—by the likes of CNN’s Jake Tapper, and The Baltimore Sun’s David Zurawik, with assists from Maggie Haberman, the Times’ White House correspondent, NBC’s Jonathan Allen, the Associated Press’s Zeke Miller, and Politico’s Jack Shafer, and sadly, many, many others; thereby helping to enable Fox’s lies, and with them the systematic destruction of our democracy and our planet.

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Altercation: MSM Discovers Fox 'News' Isn't News (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2021 OP
Then Fox doesn't qualify to be present at daily press briefings. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #1
I had a similar idea, but with The Onion News. 70sEraVet Dec 2021 #11
Oh this is great idea. How do we get it to Psaki and Biden? Captain Zero Dec 2021 #20
Fox also spreads their misinformation on AM radio RandiFan1290 Dec 2021 #2
Bad person liberalgunwilltravel Dec 2021 #3
The word they are looking for is Propaganda. nt chowder66 Dec 2021 #4
Exactly! cate94 Dec 2021 #6
If I remember correctly, Roger Ailes pitched it to Richard Nixon and wanted to call it GOP TV or LoisB Dec 2021 #9
+1 chowder66 Dec 2021 #19
The author does undermine himself by pretending crickets Dec 2021 #31
Agreed. nt chowder66 Dec 2021 #36
FAUX has always been a propaganda machine for the vast RW conspiracy which Murdoch and Allies are Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #5
Fake News! DemUnleashed Dec 2021 #7
Fox viewers answer to that... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #8
Every other channel has actual news tho, all you have is propaganda, sir, I would say to them. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #12
No, not even that. Fox is dedicated and relentless, every other channel is steeped in Bothsiderism.. JHB Dec 2021 #14
You can throw facts at them until hell freezes over.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #15
K&R! SheltieLover Dec 2021 #10
Good point, the "Fox" version of not-news needs a new name mrsadm Dec 2021 #13
PROPAGANDA Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #23
Can anyone name a major news story that FOX "broke"? Even one, ever? Midnight Writer Dec 2021 #16
You would think Australia would have someone fwvinson Dec 2021 #18
Great points but let's not forget that during the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld adm. It was forced on..... usaf-vet Dec 2021 #17
Yup. Someone asleep at the wheel. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #22
Not asleep, it was intentional by someone like Flynn LT Barclay Dec 2021 #28
Yup. Time to call all the enablers out. BTW. Tapper sucks. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #21
Fox is assisting in the destruction of our democracy. The Jungle 1 Dec 2021 #24
I will never forget the first time I turned on Fox. louis-t Dec 2021 #25
I heard someone on CNN refer to the network as: "Fox Entertainment" JohnnyRingo Dec 2021 #26
If you call to complain, they'll tell you it's entertainment. lindysalsagal Dec 2021 #32
I recall Murdoch covering for the rabid partisanship... JohnnyRingo Dec 2021 #38
Focksnooze should be renamed to more reflect its intended purpose. Mr. Evil Dec 2021 #27
Faux Nux Has Never Been Real News... GB_RN Dec 2021 #29
Foxaganda -- Fox + Propaganda andym Dec 2021 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2021 #33
Enjoy your short stay!! n/t GP6971 Dec 2021 #34
Trolls are out this week! XanaDUer2 Dec 2021 #35
Hillary on the subject (1 minute video clip) Pluvious Dec 2021 #37

gab13by13

(21,579 posts)
1. Then Fox doesn't qualify to be present at daily press briefings.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 08:39 AM
Dec 2021

Maybe SNL should apply for press credentials?

70sEraVet

(3,585 posts)
11. I had a similar idea, but with The Onion News.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:38 AM
Dec 2021

When Pres Obama was being ruthlessly trashed by Fox News, my idea was that he should invite The Onion News to his press breifings, and made sure that the 'correspondent' from The Onion News sat right NEXT to the Fox News correspondent, so that every camera shot showed The Onion News guy when the Fox News guy asked a question.

Captain Zero

(6,892 posts)
20. Oh this is great idea. How do we get it to Psaki and Biden?
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:40 AM
Dec 2021

Make Sasha Cohen a guest correspondent when possible, and place him on the other side of Fox Noise?

RandiFan1290

(6,264 posts)
2. Fox also spreads their misinformation on AM radio
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 08:43 AM
Dec 2021

under the guise of 'hourly news breaks'

FCC needs top step in and get them off our public broadcast stations.

3. Bad person
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:04 AM
Dec 2021

Does it make me a bad person to have wished that the "Fox Christmas Fire" had spread into their studios?

The only tool we have to take Fox down is to boycott cable providers that include it in their basic package. I shudder to think that the nation is put in grave danger by the likes of Rupert Murdoch and his minions, but here we are.

LoisB

(7,280 posts)
9. If I remember correctly, Roger Ailes pitched it to Richard Nixon and wanted to call it GOP TV or
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:32 AM
Dec 2021

something like that. Nixon apparently didn't want that to be the name (too obvious, I guess).

crickets

(26,007 posts)
31. The author does undermine himself by pretending
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:16 PM
Dec 2021

he doesn't know that word, doesn't think of it immediately as the perfect word to describe FOX and its product.

Ford_Prefect

(7,954 posts)
5. FAUX has always been a propaganda machine for the vast RW conspiracy which Murdoch and Allies are
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:10 AM
Dec 2021

fully invested in. That was obvious to anyone from day one.

DemUnleashed

(633 posts)
7. Fake News!
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:20 AM
Dec 2021

Whenever Trump used the term Fake News (aimed at MSNBC, CNN etc), my mind would go straight to Fox News! I'd hear the term Fake News and instantly my mind would go to Fox News (and OAN, Newsmax etc)

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
8. Fox viewers answer to that...
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:28 AM
Dec 2021

"maybe Fox is biased to the right, but liberals have every other channel on their side".

JHB

(37,170 posts)
14. No, not even that. Fox is dedicated and relentless, every other channel is steeped in Bothsiderism..
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:54 AM
Dec 2021

...and are constantly harsher on Democrats than Republicans so they can tell themselves that they're being "even-handed" and "unbiased."

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
15. You can throw facts at them until hell freezes over....
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:57 AM
Dec 2021

but they're convinced (I wonder where they got this idea from?) every news channel but Fox ( they never talk about Sinclair, Newsmax or OAN) is ultra-liberal and turning the country into communists.

I guess that's how they come to grips with Sinclair, Fox, Newsmax, OAN, etc. and their fascist joyride toward autocracy. We're all "communists" from watching CNN or MSNBC. Just because we prefer facts and truth over opinions.

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
13. Good point, the "Fox" version of not-news needs a new name
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 09:50 AM
Dec 2021

Not being journalism, it should be called something else. Fantasy?

Midnight Writer

(21,932 posts)
16. Can anyone name a major news story that FOX "broke"? Even one, ever?
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:01 AM
Dec 2021

They don't "report", they comment on the reporting of other outlets.

The same outlets they call "fake news".

Just like the GOP doesn't actually govern, they just kick back and snipe at those who do.

Think how different our country would be today if we never allowed Rupert Murdoch to enter our media markets.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
18. You would think Australia would have someone
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:16 AM
Dec 2021

bold enough/crazy enough to blow up Faux Noose, eliminate Murdoch and Ailes.

usaf-vet

(6,262 posts)
17. Great points but let's not forget that during the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld adm. It was forced on.....
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:14 AM
Dec 2021

Last edited Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:49 AM - Edit history (1)

....to military base and installations worldwide. Is it still called Armed Services Network?

Propaganda from reveille in the morning to Taps and light out at night!

LT Barclay

(2,626 posts)
28. Not asleep, it was intentional by someone like Flynn
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 12:13 PM
Dec 2021

Studies have shown a lot of folks in the military prefer a more authoritarian environment and with militia groups encouraging members to join for the free training, that crap spread like a wildfire.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
24. Fox is assisting in the destruction of our democracy.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:12 AM
Dec 2021

Republicans and our corporate overlords hate our democracy.

louis-t

(23,323 posts)
25. I will never forget the first time I turned on Fox.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:30 AM
Dec 2021

For months, my lunatic, right-wing family members had been babbling about a new 'news' network. "Fair and balanced, fair and balanced" was the phrase of the day. After a few weeks of it being on the air, I decided to see what "fair and balanced" looked like. The very first image I saw was Bill O'Reilly and a blonde woman. O'Reilly was saying "I have absolutely no respect for Hillary Clinton." That is a direct quote. At that moment, I knew what I had only previously suspected.

JohnnyRingo

(18,715 posts)
26. I heard someone on CNN refer to the network as: "Fox Entertainment"
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:30 AM
Dec 2021

They were specifically speaking of Hannity and Ingraham, but credibility during their so called hard news hours is waning with each resignation.

I think Fox Entertainment work for me.

lindysalsagal

(20,831 posts)
32. If you call to complain, they'll tell you it's entertainment.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:19 PM
Dec 2021

FCC should force them to change their name.

JohnnyRingo

(18,715 posts)
38. I recall Murdoch covering for the rabid partisanship...
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 06:23 PM
Dec 2021

...by saying Hannity and O'Reilly were more entertainment and weren't delivering the news. That way they didn't have to act impartial. He cited the daytime programming, and Shepperd Smith specifically, as the hard news.

He's just giving up trying to be a news channel now with the recent exit of Chris Wallace.

Mr. Evil

(2,868 posts)
27. Focksnooze should be renamed to more reflect its intended purpose.
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:44 AM
Dec 2021

'The Joseph Goebbels Memorial Network' is apropos.

GB_RN

(2,459 posts)
29. Faux Nux Has Never Been Real News...
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 01:02 PM
Dec 2021

It's always been opinion disguised as news, or outright GOPQ Headquarters talking points...aka propaganda.

The Democratic Party has never, ever had anything comparable to Reichwing Hate Radio and Faux Nuz.

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