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Cyrano

(15,159 posts)
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 03:34 PM Dec 2021

Not with a bang but a whimper

Through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and laws in some states that let state Republican legislatures decide who "won" an election, we're going to lose the House next year. And that will make it a lot easier for the thugs to steal the Senate and the presidency in 2024. It seems to me, and many, many others, including Rachel who is terrified, that this scenario is coming at us like a freight train. And if you disagree, I'd like to hear your reasoning.

The next paragraph may well get this post locked. But it really needs to be said ... and HEARD.

I'm beyond pissed at our party leaders and our president. Our country is being brazenly raped and murdered, in broad daylight, by malignant barbarians, and they're doing ... either nothing, or not much. Maybe Merrick Garland is doing stuff behind the scenes. Who knows?

By the way, the headline to this OP is the last line of T.S. Eliot's poem, "The Hollow Men."

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Not with a bang but a whimper (Original Post) Cyrano Dec 2021 OP
I'm with you all the way,Cyrano. blueinredohio Dec 2021 #1
Agree completely HAB911 Dec 2021 #2
Yes, everything is completely rigged for one party rule 2022 and beyond. poli-junkie Dec 2021 #3
I hear you. I feel the same way. nt DLevine Dec 2021 #4
I'm sure there's a plan in the works to stop this leftstreet Dec 2021 #5
Don't count on it. dhol82 Dec 2021 #25
um....no Skittles Dec 2021 #36
I believe we are witnessing what we only read about in school history. LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #6
couldn't agree more FoxNewsSucks Dec 2021 #7
This is the way the world ends/ Not with a bang but a whimper. andym Dec 2021 #8
George Packer's piece at The Atlantic is the most terrifying thing you'll read bullwinkle428 Dec 2021 #9
Whether this scenario is accurate or not, Cyrano Dec 2021 #11
Yes, like Rachel says shanti Dec 2021 #13
I think it'll be a peaceful split, like California saying it'll be an abortion safe state traitorsgalore Dec 2021 #37
Version without paywall CousinIT Dec 2021 #38
You need to stop this. Try being pissed at the filibuster, the GQP... brush Dec 2021 #10
At the very least, there's the "Bully Pulpit." Cyrano Dec 2021 #12
Stop blaming Democrats for right wing republican actions. brush Dec 2021 #14
Okay, you've fixed the blame where it belongs. Cyrano Dec 2021 #15
We haven't lost yet. Work on Dem campaigns. Donate, do voter reg... brush Dec 2021 #16
This times a million! Wild blueberry Dec 2021 #17
Because I've donated to Dem races in the past, Sogo Dec 2021 #18
In theory, moondust Dec 2021 #19
We have to bring the base to the polls. Something Dems failed to do in Virginia last Nov. librechik Dec 2021 #20
This is why it is important to approach rural Americans as much as many here question everything Dec 2021 #21
Maybe we need to be less predictable, less polite, and start breaking a few rules-- rules that housecat Dec 2021 #22
Evidently, our Dem leaders don't know how to break rules, Cyrano Dec 2021 #27
My thoughts exactly. The thing I can't wrap my head around is how one group (Dems) has housecat Dec 2021 #31
agree. k&r. and not locked yet. nt orleans Dec 2021 #23
This commentary says it all. And Perfectly.......Thank you DENVERPOPS Dec 2021 #24
DU should chill. I got clobbered, but I am still here causing trouble. housecat Dec 2021 #32
Agree 100% dixiechiken1 Dec 2021 #26
I think millions see it, dixiechiken1 Cyrano Dec 2021 #28
We are not helpless. We only think that we are, because we play on their turf and housecat Dec 2021 #34
FWIW .. Xoan Dec 2021 #29
You bet! We won't have "lost." We'll have given it away. Cyrano Dec 2021 #30
That's how it's been. Look at Gore handing it all to Bush. housecat Dec 2021 #33
Yep. The SCOTUS appointed a president. Cyrano Dec 2021 #35
I'm willing to wait until after the New Year before I go into full panic mode. CrispyQ Dec 2021 #39
That is why are we are leaving the country. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #40

poli-junkie

(1,032 posts)
3. Yes, everything is completely rigged for one party rule 2022 and beyond.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 04:00 PM
Dec 2021

Voting rights lawyer Marc Elias has been sounding the alarm about this. Where's the sense of urgency from the Democratic party?

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
6. I believe we are witnessing what we only read about in school history.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 04:09 PM
Dec 2021

It’s happening. The only way to stop it is for 2 of our senators to work with us. If they do not, this feels like checkmate.

andym

(5,495 posts)
8. This is the way the world ends/ Not with a bang but a whimper.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 04:21 PM
Dec 2021

A great conclusion to a great poem.
The USA has always been a work in progress. Will we choose progress or regress?

Regression at the hands of people with access to powerful mass propaganda technologies, seems to be in the cards. A democratic republic needs the participation of educated citizens who seek out truth and facts. There is room for large disagreements over politics, but not over facts and science.

bullwinkle428

(20,634 posts)
9. George Packer's piece at The Atlantic is the most terrifying thing you'll read
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 04:30 PM
Dec 2021

all week. Even more so than the Barton Gellman piece.

The usual scenarios are unconvincing. The country is not going to split into two hostile sections and fight a war of secession. No dictator will send his secret police to round up dissidents in the dead of night. Analogies like these bring the comfort of at least being familiar. Nothing has aided Donald Trump more than Americans’ failure of imagination. It’s essential to picture an unprecedented future so that what may seem impossible doesn’t become inevitable.

If the end comes, it will come through democracy itself. Here’s one way I imagine it could happen: In 2024, disputed election results in several states lead to tangled proceedings in courtrooms and legislatures. The Republican Party’s long campaign of undermining faith in elections leaves voters on both sides deeply skeptical of any outcome they don’t like. When the next president is finally chosen by the Supreme Court or Congress, half the country explodes in rage. Protests soon turn violent, and the crowds are met with lethal force by the state, while instigators firebomb government buildings. Neighborhoods organize self-defense groups, and law-enforcement officers take sides or go home. Predominantly red or blue counties turn on political minorities. A family with a biden-harris sign has to abandon home on a rural road and flee to the nearest town. A blue militia sacks Trump National Golf Club Bedminster; a red militia storms Oberlin College. The new president takes power in a state of siege.

Another, likelier scenario is widespread cynicism. Following the election crisis, protests burn out. Americans lapse into acquiescence, believing that all leaders lie, all voting is rigged, all media are bought, corruption is normal, and any appeal to higher values such as freedom and equality is either fraudulent or naive. The loss of democracy turns out not to matter all that much. The hollowed core of civic life brings a kind of relief. Citizens indulge themselves in self-care and the metaverse, where politics turns into a private game and algorithms drive Americans into ever more extreme views that have little relation to reality or relevance to those in power. There’s enough wealth to keep the population content. America’s transformation into Russia is complete.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/imagine-death-american-democracy-trump-insurrection/620841/

Cyrano

(15,159 posts)
11. Whether this scenario is accurate or not,
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 04:56 PM
Dec 2021

we certainly seem to be heading into a dystopian future created by a collection of maniacs.

And we, -- the sane people, -- our side, -- our leadership, is doing ... ???

traitorsgalore

(1,427 posts)
37. I think it'll be a peaceful split, like California saying it'll be an abortion safe state
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:49 AM
Dec 2021

A lot of blue states will follow with other such guidelines.

Red states will be murderous states full of gun nuts, racists, disease-ridden covidiots, hate speech media, bounties on women, and other such guidelines.

I hope a few red states secede, like Texas. The U.S. government will finally get things done.

brush

(55,074 posts)
10. You need to stop this. Try being pissed at the filibuster, the GQP...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 04:51 PM
Dec 2021

McTurtle and McCarthy, FOX and the rest of the right wing media. the Electoral College, and I'm going to got there...the flawed Constitution and the founders for making it so hard to amend.

What do you propose Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer do when the filibuster is the major, major roadblock there is to fixing all the things you're complaining about.

Affix the blame where it properly belongs. And I'll also add Manchin and Sinema to the above list of those at fault.

brush

(55,074 posts)
14. Stop blaming Democrats for right wing republican actions.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:03 PM
Dec 2021

The bully pulpit is a myth. It doesn't get past the filibuster int the Senate. Again,that is the major, major roadblock to all Dem/progressive legislation.

And you know that. I don't have to tell you that.

brush

(55,074 posts)
16. We haven't lost yet. Work on Dem campaigns. Donate, do voter reg...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:14 PM
Dec 2021

data input, phone banking and canvassing when the time comes. There's more to being a progressive than blaming Dem leadership on a message board.

Wild blueberry

(6,843 posts)
17. This times a million!
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:17 PM
Dec 2021

We know the GQP are a pack of assholes, stupid and violent.
Where is our resistance? Why aren't all Dems fighting like we're at the end of democracy?
We need organized reclamation of our democracy, in all fifty states.
We're doing our part in our small town of making sure the elections are safe, fair, and transparent.
It's All Hands on Deck time!
Thanks for the post, Cyrano.

Sogo

(5,160 posts)
18. Because I've donated to Dem races in the past,
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:21 PM
Dec 2021

I get texts every day, sometimes three times a day, with all kinds of urgency about the Rs having raised so much money at this point, and shouldn't that motivate me to give more and more and more, today and tomorrow and beyond????

I've had it. If you want support from me, pass voting rights legislation. Period.

moondust

(20,167 posts)
19. In theory,
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:22 PM
Dec 2021

some of those opposed to corruption and in a position to do something about it may lose their spines if they, too, stand to benefit personally from said corruption.

librechik

(30,718 posts)
20. We have to bring the base to the polls. Something Dems failed to do in Virginia last Nov.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:26 PM
Dec 2021

Apparently. WE have to work harder and not be intimidated by Republican games.

Anyway, it's the only chance we have. We still outnumber them physically. Theoretically.

question everything

(48,010 posts)
21. This is why it is important to approach rural Americans as much as many here
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:27 PM
Dec 2021

loathed the idea.

This is why it is important to remember that moderates were behind flipping the House in 2018 while the growing perception that socialism, “defunding the police” and the Squad were the face of the party in 2020.

housecat

(3,132 posts)
22. Maybe we need to be less predictable, less polite, and start breaking a few rules-- rules that
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:35 PM
Dec 2021

will be useless anyway if Democracy dies. This war will not be fought with primitive weapons like guns, because it will be cyberwar, and, God forbid, biological. If the last four years aren't a wakeup call, we're seriously doomed. We need to be prepared for anything, and we must learn to be together.

Cyrano

(15,159 posts)
27. Evidently, our Dem leaders don't know how to break rules,
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:02 PM
Dec 2021

which ones to break, and what to do then. Our side just doesn't know how to deal with fascists. And I fear that is leading us into a living hell.

I know how negative this sounds. But we're dealing with malignant gangsters who will do anything to kill democracy. And they're succeeding.

housecat

(3,132 posts)
31. My thoughts exactly. The thing I can't wrap my head around is how one group (Dems) has
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:29 PM
Dec 2021

most of the talent, brains, and humanity, and yet they allow a group with no talent, brains, or humanity to succeed. They might look human, but I suspect they are not, and we're just not equipped to deal with a different species that exists in a different universe.

DENVERPOPS

(9,254 posts)
24. This commentary says it all. And Perfectly.......Thank you
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:53 PM
Dec 2021

So do all the comments.

If DU clobbers you for any of this, it will be the last day I will read or comment on DU.

WASF

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
26. Agree 100%
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:17 PM
Dec 2021

This is a "hair on fire" moment in our country and it feels like we're the only ones who see it.

Cyrano

(15,159 posts)
28. I think millions see it, dixiechiken1
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:14 PM
Dec 2021

The problem is we are virtually helpless to do anything about it. (GOTV isn't enough to defeat this threat.) It's up to our leadership to lead us in the fight that must be fought. Yet, I fear we'll still be waiting while the fascists take hold of all the levers of power.

You're absolutely correct about this being a "hair on fire" moment. But the fire dept. is nowhere in sight.

housecat

(3,132 posts)
34. We are not helpless. We only think that we are, because we play on their turf and
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:35 PM
Dec 2021

play fair. It's time to change that.

Cyrano

(15,159 posts)
35. Yep. The SCOTUS appointed a president.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:50 PM
Dec 2021

And what did we do about it? Nothing. And at this critical moment, we are doing a replay of that horrible moment in recent history.

CrispyQ

(36,959 posts)
39. I'm willing to wait until after the New Year before I go into full panic mode.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:01 PM
Dec 2021

But we better start seeing some kernels pop soon.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
40. That is why are we are leaving the country.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 02:04 PM
Dec 2021

It will get bad here for awhile.

Until the far right eats each other up.

Playing king of the hill.

Just think of the war between the churches.

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