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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(110,639 posts)
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:39 PM Dec 2021

Fort Benning will get a new name. Here are some of the possibilities

The commission tasked with renaming Fort Benning and other Department of Defense assets that commemorate the Confederacy is now deliberating on what the Army post near Columbus will soon be called.

The Naming Commission received more than 4,600 suggestions for Fort Benning’s new name through an online submission period that ended Wednesday.

Military installations and other Department of Defense-owned assets must be renamed following the passage of the 2021 National Defense Authorization Act. The move came on the heels of calls for racial equality and the protests sparked by the death of George Floyd.

The years-long renaming process is a step closer to the finish.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fort-benning-name-possibilities-120000877.html

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Fort Benning will get a new name. Here are some of the possibilities (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 OP
Possible names include: "William T. Sherman?" WTF? NO damned way. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #1
There is something to be said for putting the confederate flag wavers in their place. PTWB Dec 2021 #5
All are good choices Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #2
Are you damned kidding? Ignoring his brutality towards civilians in the South, he was genocidal hlthe2b Dec 2021 #3
Progressives have crafted an ability to change the names of overtly racist military leaders... brooklynite Dec 2021 #4
You call not wanting Sherman considered as "extreme liberal purity????" Does NO ONE here know hlthe2b Dec 2021 #6
Name an acceptable alternative. brooklynite Dec 2021 #7
Any of the others on the list. Did you even READ the article and list of names included?!!! hlthe2b Dec 2021 #8
Having lived in the south many years ago... PTWB Dec 2021 #9
No, I'm not kidding Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #10
So you don't give a damn about Native Americans either? Racism & genocide is just fine? hlthe2b Dec 2021 #11
No, fuck that guy. Nt Tommy Carcetti Dec 2021 #12
You have your opinion Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #13
Opinions that defend those guilty of genocide towards Native Americans are NOT just hlthe2b Dec 2021 #18
As I suggested, if you don't like my opinion on this subject Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #22
How could I pass up you defending such a horrible position...Oh, wait you don't even bother to do so hlthe2b Dec 2021 #23
Surprisingly enough Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #24
Should we all wait with baited breath on your opinion re: hlthe2b Dec 2021 #25
You just can't leave it alone can you Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #27
No need. You have put it on the record. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #28
Keep trying Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #29
Right. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #30
You really misjudged the importance Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #31
You SHOULD be sad. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #33
Trust me I am not at all sad Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #35
Here from is the history channel's accessment of the monster that was William Tecumseh Sherman hlthe2b Dec 2021 #38
You damned well SHOULD be. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #39
They already had one DashOneBravo Dec 2021 #37
there are a bunch of great choices dsc Dec 2021 #14
I'm thinking Ft Hood is gonna be renamed Ft Cavazos LeftInTX Dec 2021 #15
Why not sell the naming rights to corporations like cities do for their arenas rurallib Dec 2021 #16
Soooooo..... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2021 #17
Forty McFortface is the first name that came to my mind. róisín_dubh Dec 2021 #26
The remains of a slave trading/auction block are located at Fort Benning. Solly Mack Dec 2021 #19
Ft. Marshall. Mopar151 Dec 2021 #20
Basey McBaseface ret5hd Dec 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Goodheart Dec 2021 #34
You beat me to it. underpants Dec 2021 #42
Call it Fort Obama to piss off the Republicans. eom tarheelsunc Dec 2021 #32
I think all the choices should be Medal of Honor winners. nt EX500rider Dec 2021 #36
The list looks good. DashOneBravo Dec 2021 #40
LT Colonel Lemuel Penn VGNonly Dec 2021 #41
Why not Fort Eisenhower? FakeNoose Dec 2021 #43
Lots of good choices. Good change. nt Hortensis Dec 2021 #44
Lots of good choices. Good change. Hortensis Dec 2021 #45
+1 DashOneBravo Dec 2021 #46
The local US Army post is Fort Huachuca. (Famous for the Buffalo Soldiers) panader0 Dec 2021 #47

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
1. Possible names include: "William T. Sherman?" WTF? NO damned way.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:47 PM
Dec 2021

He may have been Union, but he was hated even by many in the North for his brutality and scorched earth brand of subjugating civilians as well as the enemy army. He was genocidal in his war on Native Americans after the war when assigned to "rid the railroad construction of the Indian scourge."

HELL NO. In this, I'd join the most "southerner of southerners: to fight that name. Who the hell would suggest such a thing?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. All are good choices
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:47 PM
Dec 2021

I’m personally in favor of Wm T Sherman. Something poetic about it and the march to the sea.

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
3. Are you damned kidding? Ignoring his brutality towards civilians in the South, he was genocidal
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:50 PM
Dec 2021

towards Native Americans.


I can NOT believe you would say such a thing. Good Gawd. I'm no Southerner but this man was a monster. Whether you believe so during his civil war service, he most certainly was towards Native Americans AFTER the war. Horrible, horrible man.


"Poetic about his march to the sea?" OMG! You admire his scorched earth tactics against civilians? He's a very big reason why we have so much never-ending southern resentment. Hell no.

 

brooklynite

(96,641 posts)
4. Progressives have crafted an ability to change the names of overtly racist military leaders...
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:52 PM
Dec 2021

…will they overplay their hand by demanding extreme liberal purity in the name selection?

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
6. You call not wanting Sherman considered as "extreme liberal purity????" Does NO ONE here know
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:55 PM
Dec 2021

any GD history?

Damn. I can NOT believe you all! Read a damned history, book, will you?

Replace one racist name with another known for Native American genocide? Really?

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
8. Any of the others on the list. Did you even READ the article and list of names included?!!!
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:00 PM
Dec 2021

Sherman was the only noted genocidal racist and extreme controversial military person on the list. And to suggest him for Fort Bennett, GEORGIA is beyond insane. Someone probably thinks that is a cute middle finger to the face to those who won't want to see the name changed to begin with. I'd suggest being far more adult than THAT.

If you look at the list there are some really worthy names there. Not racists. Not war criminals. Not those who wished to eradicate the nation of the "Native Savage" and worked hard to do so. What part of this do YOU not understand? How could you even suggest this is ok? In your mind is past genocidal activity towards Native people not likewise racist? I know you live in NYC and perhaps never give Native Americans a thought at all. But guess what? You need to.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
9. Having lived in the south many years ago...
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:03 PM
Dec 2021

the hate for Sherman from the confederate flag wavers was still palpable. Putting them in their place is always going to be worth something.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
10. No, I'm not kidding
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:07 PM
Dec 2021

And I know a great deal of Wm T Sherman. You have your opinion, I have mine, don’t like it put me on your ignore list.

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
11. So you don't give a damn about Native Americans either? Racism & genocide is just fine?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:10 PM
Dec 2021

I can not believe this of you. OMG!

I really could be more shocked to see your attitude laid out with no qualms nor hesitation. Our historical brutality towards Native Americans (which is ongoing) is not an issue for you? You are fine glorifying someone guilty of both to an extreme level?!

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
18. Opinions that defend those guilty of genocide towards Native Americans are NOT just
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:16 PM
Dec 2021

innocent differences of interpretation or understanding. What the hell?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
22. As I suggested, if you don't like my opinion on this subject
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 05:51 AM
Dec 2021

Put me on your ignore list.

What the Hell? It really isn’t all that difficult to do.

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
23. How could I pass up you defending such a horrible position...Oh, wait you don't even bother to do so
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 07:31 AM
Dec 2021

I really misjudged you.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
24. Surprisingly enough
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 07:45 AM
Dec 2021

And this may be a real shock to you.

I don’t have to justify any of my opinions to you or anyone else on this board.

As to your opinion of me or my opinions, well that and two bucks will buy you a cup of coffee somewhere.




hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
25. Should we all wait with baited breath on your opinion re:
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 08:18 AM
Dec 2021

the German Holocaust and those responsible?

I hope your unabashed celebration of one who committed Native American genocide is not a clue.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
27. You just can't leave it alone can you
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 08:38 AM
Dec 2021


There are two people on this earth whose opinions of me matter to me and again I understand that this may come as a surprise to you. You are not one of the them.

If you want to pick a fight, go bother someone else. I’m not taking your repeated bait.

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
28. No need. You have put it on the record.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 08:39 AM
Dec 2021

for all to be horrified by. Is there a name for those who have no sense of shame nor concern for others' suffering? It escapes me... Oh, wait...

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
30. Right.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 08:44 AM
Dec 2021

says the person who celebrates those who commit genocide against Native Americans.

Obviously, my refusal to let you go unscathed on such a horrendous position and claim to be just like any other DUer is bothering you. So, perhaps you have some sense of shame after all. If so, I find some relief for you.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
31. You really misjudged the importance
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 09:21 AM
Dec 2021

Of your numerous attempts to bait me. I find it all rather sad.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
35. Trust me I am not at all sad
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 11:40 AM
Dec 2021

but find your consistent attempt to bait me rather so.

This is that last response you will receive from me. I have been very clear that I am not changing my opinion and that I have no interest in what you think about it or me.

Good Day.....

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
38. Here from is the history channel's accessment of the monster that was William Tecumseh Sherman
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 12:15 PM
Dec 2021

Just trying to educate you that support for someone who committed N. American genocide is horrific.Maybe he is an ancestor. We all look hard enough and many of us will find a detestable ancestor in our heritage, acknowledge it and move on. Maybe you are not open to being so educated or just don't care. At least others spoon-fed nonsense about his supposed heroism (regardless of how one views his actions in the civil war) will know the truth.

Here is who you are supporting. William Tecumseh Sherman (ironically his middle name was that of a peacemaker Indian Chief). And, no this isn't my thoughts, it is historical fact:

https://www.history.com/news/shermans-war-on-native-americans

Native Americans Have General Sherman to Thank for Their Exile to Reservations
The Civil War hero brought his scorched-earth policy to the Plains—and wiped out Native Americans’ food supply.
Erin Blakemore

When William Clark and Meriwether Lewis’ famous expedition reached the Great Plains in 1806, the crew couldn’t believe their eyes. There, ranging across the prairies in groups that moved up to 30 miles per hour, were gigantic herds of buffalo so large they waylaid the travelers for hours on end. “The moving multitude…darkened the whole plains,” theywrote.

Seventy years later, buffalo—and the Native American tribes the explorers encountered—would be almost eliminated on the Great Plains thanks to another revered American, William Tecumseh Sherman.

The general is best known for his for his bloodymarch across Georgia, stealing livestock and intimidating civilians in one of the most famous campaigns of the Civil War. But after the war, he didn’t retire. Instead, he took his scorched-earth tactics to another war—one against Native Americans. Sherman’s leadership led not just to the extermination and relocation of thousands of indigenous people, but the annihilation of nearly all of the United States’ wild buffalo.

--snip--
Buffalo were a critical part of that plan. Sherman’s job was to use the U.S. Army to protect the transcontinental railroad and secure mining interests in territory traditionally owned and settled by Native Americans. The plan was to force Native Americans onto reservations, seize their land and protect the settlers who moved there. In a series of campaigns now known as the western Indian Wars, the military clashed with tribes intent on protecting their lands and their way of life.

Destroying the buffalo meant destroying Native Americans, so Sherman honed in on the animals. As long as the buffalo roamed, he wrote to fellow general Philip Sheridan in 1868, Native Americans would follow them. “I think it would be wise to invite all the sportsmen of England and America…this fall for a Grand Buffalo hunt,” hewrote, “and make one grand sweep of them all.”

By 1873, buffalo were nearly extinct. “Where there were myriads of buffalo,” wrote U.S. Army colonel Richard Irving Dodge, “there were now myriads of carcasses. The air was foul with a sickening stench, and the vast plain…was a dead, solitary, putrid desert.” Yet Sherman still argued that the United States needed to keep killing buffalo to subjugate Native Americans.

It worked: By the early 20th century,only 325 buffalo remained in the entire country. Historian snow attribute nearly three quarters of Native American population decline to westward expansion. Between 1800 and 1890, the Native American population dropped from around 600,000 to just 228,000.

By the time Sherman retired in 1884, he had succeeded in forcing Plains Indians onto reservations. As historian David D. Smitswrites, “With the mainstay of their diet gone the Indians had no choice but to accept a servile fate on a reservation where they could subsist on government handouts.” And in the words of the Sioux leader Sitting Bull, “a cold wind blew across the prairie when the last buffalo fell—a death-wind for my people.”

Ironically, Sherman himself was named after a Native American peacekeeper, Tecumseh. The Shawnee chief formed and led a large confederacy of tribes that fought the United States during the War of 1812. Americans admired Tecumseh’s ability to bring together different tribes and fight with what they saw as noble intentions.

Like Tecumseh, Sherman was a savvy leader—but unlike the chief, he fought not to preserve Native American culture, but to destroy it.



Aren't you proud of your genocidal monster?

hlthe2b

(103,500 posts)
39. You damned well SHOULD be.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 12:21 PM
Dec 2021

Your support of Sherman is akin to wanting to name the base after Lt. William Calley (of My Lai massacre infamy, in case you don't know) or Custer. Both were guilty of horrific war atrocities--just as was William Tecumseh Sherman.

dsc

(52,273 posts)
14. there are a bunch of great choices
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:13 PM
Dec 2021

I hope the great Black choices they have on that list don't wind up splitting the vote. It would be very fitting for that base in particular to be named after a deserving Black soldier.

LeftInTX

(27,408 posts)
15. I'm thinking Ft Hood is gonna be renamed Ft Cavazos
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:13 PM
Dec 2021

Cavazos, the first Hispanic four-star general in the Army’s history, was a former III Corps and Fort Hood commander. He also received two Distinguished Service Crosses — one for actions in the Korean War and one for actions in the Vietnam War.

I think Benavides is also deserving, but military bases are boring and boring names are kind of a good thing.

rurallib

(62,692 posts)
16. Why not sell the naming rights to corporations like cities do for their arenas
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:14 PM
Dec 2021

that are supposed to be owned by the public.

How does Camp Raytheon sound?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,434 posts)
17. Soooooo.....
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:15 PM
Dec 2021

"Forty McFortface" is out, I suppose?

How about "Big place where people hurter cosplayers hangabout"

No? Too wordy?

What about "Big Tanky Depot and Stuff".

Has a nice ring to it.


There is a very good reason why I didn't get into the Naming Shit game.

Solly Mack

(91,230 posts)
19. The remains of a slave trading/auction block are located at Fort Benning.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:34 PM
Dec 2021

There's a small sign - that you would miss if you blinked - informing people of it.

It's a walk through the woods if you do stop, sloping down toward where the river used to flow. There are old bricks, crumbling from time, that once were part of the auction block.

About 100 yards from where the river used to be are the remains of the auction block. Slaves were taken straight from boats to the block.


I hope they make the right choice and go with one of the former slaves.

From slave auction block to former slave being honored.





Response to ret5hd (Reply #21)

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
40. The list looks good.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 12:25 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Mon Dec 6, 2021, 07:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I hope it SFC Cashe. He went through Infantry and Jump School there.

The Infantry motto is Follow Me. When his vehicle was hit, he was able to get out. His men couldn’t follow. His men were trapped inside and he went back to get them in the fire. He died from the burns.

His son went through Infantry school in 2020.


https://www.google.com/search?q=alwyn+cashe&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=nivx&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjs7_Dzq9D0AhU5TTABHX8_Cx0Q_AUoAnoECAIQAg&biw=375&bih=605&dpr=3#imgrc=7EKmiwU916qZXM

VGNonly

(7,582 posts)
41. LT Colonel Lemuel Penn
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 03:10 PM
Dec 2021

He was a WWII veteran earning the Bronze Star. He and two other AA officers were driving from a summer trains camp to Ft. Benning in 1964 when several klan members approached their vehicle, shooting and murdering LT Colonel Penn. The state acquitted them. The case of United States vs Guest did eventually led to the federal cases against the men, leading to convictions.

FakeNoose

(33,943 posts)
43. Why not Fort Eisenhower?
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 04:44 PM
Dec 2021

He was a 5-star General in the U.S. Army and a two-term President.
Can't go wrong with that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Lots of good choices. Good change.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 05:28 PM
Dec 2021

I think, though, that names need to be selected to honor the best of our military past in order to inspire it for the future.

Fwiw, naming a military base for a man who was lynched -- in a dreadful betrayal of all it is supposed to stand for -- would commemorate the worst rather than inspire the best and honor those who served honorably. It would also fail to define and exemplify fulfillment of the base's purpose.

This marker was erected near where Private Hall was last seen. Except by his murderers. He was 19.

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panader0

(25,816 posts)
47. The local US Army post is Fort Huachuca. (Famous for the Buffalo Soldiers)
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:19 PM
Dec 2021

It is named for the mountains behind it. Huachuca is the Apache word for mountains of thunder (or water
alternatively). The Huachuca Mountains are beautiful and right out my window.
How about naming Ft Benning for some local landscape instead of a person, that someone, somehow
will find fault with?

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