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grumpyduck

(6,312 posts)
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:40 PM Dec 2021

Good free email?

I like to get my ducks lined up way ahead of time, so here goes.

Got a notice from Gmail this morning that starting Dec 8 they'll go to two-step authentication. "Watch your cell phone for a code after you enter your password." Didn't say anything about it being an option. So, if it turns out it's not an option, I'm going to drop Gmail.

So I'm shopping around for ideas. I already use Outlook for a volunteer org I belong to, so that's a possibility. But I'd appreciate any leads.

Thanks.

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Good free email? (Original Post) grumpyduck Dec 2021 OP
Why does that bother you?? Much safer! Nt USALiberal Dec 2021 #1
Because many do not have a cell phone Thtwudbeme Dec 2021 #8
I completely agree LChaney Dec 2021 #34
I don't even bother having a cellphone because we have such crappy reception where I live eShirl Dec 2021 #2
After setting up two-step verification on your computer, you can choose not to use it again on that Celerity Dec 2021 #10
I will check that out, and thank you. grumpyduck Dec 2021 #14
a land line will not work, btw, as it cannot receive a text message for the code Celerity Dec 2021 #11
Yes it will TeslaNova Dec 2021 #19
ah, oki, good (and technically I did say text message, lol, but was wrong on a LL not working) Celerity Dec 2021 #22
What if you don't have a cellphone? Librarians say this is cbabe Dec 2021 #3
Yeah, that's one of my issues with this. grumpyduck Dec 2021 #6
Lighten up..... USALiberal Dec 2021 #17
I'll NEVER "lighten up" on issues that the homeless Thtwudbeme Dec 2021 #27
Any good, free email service worth their weight will offer 2FA... SKKY Dec 2021 #4
I'm okay with their offering it, grumpyduck Dec 2021 #9
How do you feel about vaccination mandates? Renew Deal Dec 2021 #20
That's a whole different conversation, grumpyduck Dec 2021 #29
I'm honestly curious, what is your aversion to 2FA? SKKY Dec 2021 #26
I wouldn't be opposed grumpyduck Dec 2021 #31
They already use a second email Tree Lady Dec 2021 #5
So homeless folks that cannot remember to take their heart medication Thtwudbeme Dec 2021 #13
So what? left-of-center2012 Dec 2021 #7
It's a very big deal. Maybe not for you Thtwudbeme Dec 2021 #12
See this.... USALiberal Dec 2021 #15
I am not writing this to be mean. I am not- Thtwudbeme Dec 2021 #18
Thank you for providing the additional perspective Torchlight Dec 2021 #23
Thank you LChaney Dec 2021 #35
You are welcome- I am a bit befuddled as to Thtwudbeme Dec 2021 #37
Try ProtonMail dalton99a Dec 2021 #16
A GREAT mail service that gives total privacy, I love them! 👍 nt Raine Dec 2021 #38
You should set up the two-step athentication. Renew Deal Dec 2021 #21
GMX LiveToLurk Dec 2021 #24
When I see this 48656c6c6f20 Dec 2021 #25
Are you using the Chrome browser? FakeNoose Dec 2021 #28
If you're not using 2FA on every account of importance, you're making a serious mistake. PTWB Dec 2021 #30
So can we apply for exemptions grumpyduck Dec 2021 #32
Let's hope not. PTWB Dec 2021 #33
You can save your password in gmail so far. You internet provider should have a free email too. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #36
 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
8. Because many do not have a cell phone
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:57 PM
Dec 2021

Particularly the homeless, or just plain money insecure folks.

I am a librarian. This is going to hit the segment of the population that uses technology in the media center to search for jobs/ rental houses/ public services.

It's a horrible idea.

LChaney

(2 posts)
34. I completely agree
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 07:55 PM
Dec 2021

As a homeless person living in my van with my girlfriend and 3 kids for the last few months (no judgment, thanks, we get plenty of that already, and are more aware of our situation than you are) and looking for a job, I regularly use the library and random other computers and phones, and 1) have enough barriers to employment without this 2) already have a hard enough time with 2-factor authentication, trying to use bank accounts or prepaid cards or PayPal to try to receive small amounts of money from family for food and gas. Someone sent me $100 once on PayPal and I could never access it because I had to have a real home address for them to mail a verification code to. Also, I actually have the fortitude and mental capacity to wait on the phone for an hour for customer service and answer their questions correctly to access my accounts. I'm guessing most people in my situation can't do that, and none of these companies seem to understand that people lose or change phone numbers occasionally/often.

eShirl

(18,514 posts)
2. I don't even bother having a cellphone because we have such crappy reception where I live
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:50 PM
Dec 2021

I can't be running to the land line and back every time I want to check my email
This mermaid's too old for that ship, lol

Celerity

(43,840 posts)
10. After setting up two-step verification on your computer, you can choose not to use it again on that
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:58 PM
Dec 2021

particular device, and go back to using just your password when you sign in. It's only when someone else tries to sign in to your account from another computer that users will still have to go through the two-step verification process.

https://fortune.com/2021/10/19/google-two-step-verification-authentication-mandatory/

cbabe

(3,564 posts)
3. What if you don't have a cellphone? Librarians say this is
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:51 PM
Dec 2021

a big ongoing problem, especially with homeless patrons. Can’t access gmail without code sent to a cellphone which many don’t have.

Email services to check out: proton, hotmail…?

grumpyduck

(6,312 posts)
6. Yeah, that's one of my issues with this.
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:56 PM
Dec 2021

It probably hasn't occurred to Google's twenty-something computer nerds who grew up with computers and cellphones stuck to their heads that there are still a lot of people who don't have cell phones because they've never needed them and don't want them.

Fuck them.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
27. I'll NEVER "lighten up" on issues that the homeless
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 02:25 PM
Dec 2021

deal with every day.

I gave my impression of the "cute blond girl" video below.

SKKY

(11,842 posts)
4. Any good, free email service worth their weight will offer 2FA...
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:52 PM
Dec 2021

...I have GMail as my 'throw away', and Outlook as my real account. I employ 2FA in both, as I do in any account, of any sort, that I value (i.e. Bank, Job Hunting Site, etc.)

grumpyduck

(6,312 posts)
29. That's a whole different conversation,
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 03:08 PM
Dec 2021

but vaccinations are about saving lives. Over 770,000 people in this country alone have not died from computer hackers.

grumpyduck

(6,312 posts)
31. I wouldn't be opposed
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 03:23 PM
Dec 2021

to their offering it as an option, and am even open to choosing to go for it at some point. My aversion is to businesses wanting to force us to do what they think we should do, for their own purposes.

My other thread on cookies gets into this.

Tree Lady

(11,549 posts)
5. They already use a second email
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:55 PM
Dec 2021

In case you forget password as security, for non phone people they will offer that maybe.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
13. So homeless folks that cannot remember to take their heart medication
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 02:00 PM
Dec 2021

now need to remember how to get to a second email to get to their first?

You are getting ready to see a tech divide in this country like you have never seen before.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
12. It's a very big deal. Maybe not for you
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:59 PM
Dec 2021

But our homeless patrons use technology in the libraries to look and apply for housing, jobs, and social benefits.

They do not own a credit card...nor a cell phone. Hell, they are lucky if they have good shoes.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
18. I am not writing this to be mean. I am not-
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 02:09 PM
Dec 2021

But, the cute blond cartoon character pretty much "said it all," did she not?

I am talking about the homeless. Many cannot remember to "print out those codes," much less keep up with them.

"A trusted device." Those are computers in public libraries. The homeless may or may not use the same one every time. Hard to say.

"A friend's phone." So, the homeless are supposed to have friends with phones?

Are you starting to see what I am yet?

Torchlight

(3,478 posts)
23. Thank you for providing the additional perspective
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 02:14 PM
Dec 2021

It's a really good point that hadn't crossed my mind that I'll now give consideration to.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
37. You are welcome- I am a bit befuddled as to
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 08:40 PM
Dec 2021

why this hasn't occurred to many folks?

The digital divide is already the size of the Grand Canyon- now, it's going to remove what little access so many people have.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
25. When I see this
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 02:18 PM
Dec 2021

I want to put up a big sign that says:

"Please Hack My Account!" We believe in science, vaccines, math, global warming but not that criminals are hell bent on getting access to your identity?

Here is my advice. Don't get a email that doesn't take your identity protection seriously. My guess, they'll sell your profile to the highest bidder.

If that's not an option disconnect front the digital world completely. If you're not connected you're safe.

FakeNoose

(32,941 posts)
28. Are you using the Chrome browser?
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 02:28 PM
Dec 2021

Chrome is the Google-created browser and it's one of the most popular these days. So Chrome is also going to 2-step verification, and it could be that G-Mail is going that route because of Chrome. In any case switching to a different email might be a temporary solution. The browser can require 2-step verification even if the email account does not.

That being said, I suggest Yahoo for email. I've been using (free) Yahoo email all these years, since the mid-90's when I left AOL in disgust. Yahoo has gone through many incarnations and it's still around. They want me to switch to 2-step verification, but I haven't done so and I still get my email. I don't know how long this will last but it's good for now. As I said, my Chrome browser is requiring it, but once I'm logged in on the 2-step I can stay in forever because I'm using my own home desktop computer. This may not be the case for you.

Good luck my friend.



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
30. If you're not using 2FA on every account of importance, you're making a serious mistake.
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 03:14 PM
Dec 2021

Good on Google for making this mandatory.

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