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Mark Meadows caves to the Jan. 6th committee's subpoena in order to avoid criminal contempt (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 OP
I don't trust meadows for 2 seconds. spanone Nov 2021 #1
Neither do I, the fact that he is a coward doesn't mean he will tell the truth, hope we are wrong Escurumbele Nov 2021 #22
Yeah, he'll show up. peacefreak2.0 Nov 2021 #2
This exactly. He also wants to avoid spending a ton on attorneys. brush Nov 2021 #4
Nah.. He will just "I don't recall" everything. Claustrum Nov 2021 #5
Beat me to it...... oldsoftie Nov 2021 #39
"You see the mob takes the Fifth... Harker Nov 2021 #13
Not sure if this clause precludes people involved in the insurrection to be able to take the 5th Escurumbele Nov 2021 #27
I hope so, because I'm pretty confused. Harker Nov 2021 #29
He does have a problem though, if I am correct, the Jan 6 committee already knows the answers Escurumbele Nov 2021 #25
Mark Meadows has flipped against Trump and will cooperate with January 6 investigators. LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #3
I will believe it when I see it rurallib Nov 2021 #6
I doubt if he'll say anything meaningful. Poiuyt Nov 2021 #7
He doesn't want to be held in contempt? Too late for me! calimary Nov 2021 #14
Sounds like his "cooperation" is just a sham wnylib Nov 2021 #20
he knows others who were in the room, as well as the chains of communication, have cooperated certainot Nov 2021 #24
I hope so, but I'm skeptical. wnylib Nov 2021 #28
I checked my copy of the wnylib Nov 2021 #41
maybe it'll depend on whether the committee can ask the right questions but i'll bet he heard and certainot Nov 2021 #42
Exclusive: Meadows reaches deal for initial cooperation with January 6 investigators LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #8
+1. Executive privilege, my ass dalton99a Nov 2021 #9
Executive privilege does not cover criminal activity. dchill Nov 2021 #32
Looks like he has been crying. Poor baby. NCjack Nov 2021 #33
I think it's a good start. The first major player to cooperate captain queeg Nov 2021 #10
It just HAS to be blackmail renate Nov 2021 #16
A combination of blackmail and threats. wnylib Nov 2021 #23
His 'cooperation' will be very limited. louis-t Nov 2021 #11
Meadows' original deadlines were in October; he's had time to 'curate' what he delivers. ancianita Nov 2021 #12
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The alternate view... jmowreader Nov 2021 #15
What is the legal definition of "initial cooperation?" gab13by13 Nov 2021 #17
I'll wait and see. I've seen movies like this before and been let down. old guy Nov 2021 #18
Fitzmas comes to mind... Blue_playwright Nov 2021 #26
Showing up and testifying are not the same thing Raven123 Nov 2021 #19
Yeah, we'll see. (n/t) Patton French Nov 2021 #30
The meat of this is his providing documents. lark Nov 2021 #31
Step one. Many more to go... Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #34
Avoidance-avoidance. hay rick Nov 2021 #35
OOooo, his dear leader gonna be mad!1 Even if he doesn't really testify UTUSN Nov 2021 #36
He always knew that he would be a trapped roach in a corner and have to testify. NCjack Nov 2021 #37
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #38
You mean Democrats aren't weak and spineless? mcar Nov 2021 #40
Several weeks ago, after we learned that Brannon was subpoenaed John Dean question everything Dec 2021 #43

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
5. Nah.. He will just "I don't recall" everything.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:21 PM
Nov 2021

Question: Did you breath on jan 6? Answer: I don't recall........

Harker

(14,015 posts)
13. "You see the mob takes the Fifth...
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:54 PM
Nov 2021

if you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" -- Donald J. Trumpsky, TFG

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
27. Not sure if this clause precludes people involved in the insurrection to be able to take the 5th
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:34 PM
Nov 2021

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor ..

Maybe a lawyer in DU can explain?

Harker

(14,015 posts)
29. I hope so, because I'm pretty confused.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:49 PM
Nov 2021

I believe the Committee is calling witnesses, rather than accused parties, and that it has the power to compel testimony. A witness has the right to cite the Fifth to avoid incriminating themselves.

There's plenty of detail in this about which I know nothing, though.

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
25. He does have a problem though, if I am correct, the Jan 6 committee already knows the answers
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:29 PM
Nov 2021

to many of the questions, they can refresh his memory. One more thing they can do is offer him immunity so that he cannot invoke the 5th and must tell all.

He can also be fired from office for taking the 5th, if I am not mistaken, and we know how much these criminals like to protect their jobs.

The big question is... what does the buffoon have on Meadows that will coward him even more?

Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
7. I doubt if he'll say anything meaningful.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:24 PM
Nov 2021

Even though Meadows has begun engaging with the committee in a more serious way, the extent to which he will fully cooperate and the question of what he will try to claim as executive privilege still hangs in the balance, according to multiple sources. The agreement means the committee will hold off from pursuing criminal contempt against him, though that route always remains a possibility as this fragile step forward could be temporary.

"It's not incorrect to say he has cooperated to some extent, but he hasn't completely fulfilled his obligation and we need to see what happens. But Meadows doesn't want to be held in contempt," a source familiar with the process tells CNN.

https://us.cnn.com/2021/11/30/politics/mark-meadows-january-6-committee/index.html

calimary

(81,238 posts)
14. He doesn't want to be held in contempt? Too late for me!
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:57 PM
Nov 2021

I hold him in enough contempt for 100 people.

Actually, I take that back. What’s the population of the United States? 300-and-some million people? I hold him in that level of contempt.

Too damn bad, Meadows. You’re not in charge here.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
20. Sounds like his "cooperation" is just a sham
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:23 PM
Nov 2021

to avoid prosecution for contempt of Congress. He will conveniently remember nothing.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
24. he knows others who were in the room, as well as the chains of communication, have cooperated
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:29 PM
Nov 2021

he doesn't know how much but he may suspect he's fucked on various levels and may spill some beans to get a good deal

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
41. I checked my copy of the
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 04:51 PM
Nov 2021

Woodward and Costa book, Peril, to refresh myself on Meadows and the insurrection.

Early in the book, they say that Milley was suspicious of Meadows as possibly a supporter of Trump's claim that he won. Milley was trying to organize a small group of leaders to ensure a peaceful transition. He considered Trump a serious threat.

According to the book, Meadows remained in his office in the early stage of the insurrection. He later joined Kellogg and various aides in the Oval office to decide on damage control and supported the idea of the video that Trump released.

At one point, Meadows complained that the National Guard was too slow to respond.

After the insurrection was over and the second impeachment began, several people in government felt that Meadows was downplaying the 1/6 events and not taking them seriously.

I am sure that Costa and Woodward did not uncover all there was to know, but I don't know what Meadows can add to the current investigation.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
42. maybe it'll depend on whether the committee can ask the right questions but i'll bet he heard and
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:35 PM
Nov 2021

saw a lot. as COS he'd supposedly be aware of the comings and goings and unless they didn't trust him he must have been involved when things got busy.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,176 posts)
8. Exclusive: Meadows reaches deal for initial cooperation with January 6 investigators
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:25 PM
Nov 2021

Meadows does not have the deep pockets to fight this fight




Donald Trump's former chief of staff Mark Meadows is cooperating with the House select committee investigating the January 6 riot and is providing records and agreeing to appear for an initial interview, CNN exclusively has learned.

The move represents a critical shift in the relationship between the top Trump ally and the panel, and staving off a criminal contempt referral for now.

"Mr. Meadows has been engaging with the Select Committee through his attorney," Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi who chairs the committee said in a statement. "He has produced records to the committee and will soon appear for an initial deposition. The Select Committee expects all witnesses, including Mr. Meadows, to provide all information requested and that the Select Committee is lawfully entitled to receive. The Committee will continue to assess his degree of compliance with our subpoena after the deposition."

Meadows' lawyer George Terwilliger said in a statement to CNN that there is now an understanding between the two parties on how information can be exchanged moving forward, stating that his client and the committee are open to engaging on a certain set of topics as they work out how to deal with information that the committee is seeking that could fall under executive privilege.

dchill

(38,484 posts)
32. Executive privilege does not cover criminal activity.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:06 PM
Nov 2021

Executive privilege belongs to the CURRENT President.

captain queeg

(10,188 posts)
10. I think it's a good start. The first major player to cooperate
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:30 PM
Nov 2021

Not counting on a lot of cooperation but starting immediately TFG will be bad mouthing him at every chance. That will affect his testimony. Many others on the sidelines will be watching. Hope it’s the beginning of an avalanche. I really don’t understand how terrified of him all the Rs are. I suppose it’s really whatever Putin is hanging onto behind the scenes.

renate

(13,776 posts)
16. It just HAS to be blackmail
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:13 PM
Nov 2021

The RNC servers were hacked too. Funny how absolutely nothing ever came of that.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
11. His 'cooperation' will be very limited.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:33 PM
Nov 2021

He will not "flip". He is only trying to find out how much he can hide without going to prison.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
17. What is the legal definition of "initial cooperation?"
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:17 PM
Nov 2021

Will there be a secondary cooperation, etc. etc.? So if after the initial cooperation fizzles does that buy Meadows time to run out the clock?

lark

(23,097 posts)
31. The meat of this is his providing documents.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:05 PM
Nov 2021

However, given the source, will they be phonies or so heavily redacted as to be meaningless? I also expect a lot of 5th amendment claims and zero questions answered. This is yet another repug evil delaying plan to implement the destruction of this nation with the next 2 elections.

hay rick

(7,608 posts)
35. Avoidance-avoidance.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:26 PM
Nov 2021

Poor Mark Meadows. He is afraid of Trump's retribution and afraid of being convicted of criminal contempt. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
37. He always knew that he would be a trapped roach in a corner and have to testify.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 03:53 PM
Nov 2021

He hopes that he will convince TFG that he ran out of options. But TFG doesn't care, will put on pointy cowboy boots, and will stomp the crap out of Roach.

question everything

(47,476 posts)
43. Several weeks ago, after we learned that Brannon was subpoenaed John Dean
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:22 PM
Dec 2021

said on CNN that Meadows would eventually cooperate. Still a young man with political ambitions, a lawyer so he has to think of his career.

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