Fri Nov 19, 2021, 11:38 PM

Kablooie (17,556 posts)

So killing in self defense is not about saving your own life anymore.

Feeling scared is plenty of justification to murder someone.

You used to have to prove that your life was unquestionably and imminently in jeopardy to escape punishment.
Now you just have to claim fear and you are free to go.

-- If you are white that is.
If you are black, self defense is not an option.
You kill someone, you are guilty of a crime. Period.

We are going to see a lot of Zimmerman/Rittenhouse murderers walking free I'll bet.
And watch how they become heros to the disgusting right wing Republicans.
I wish there was a mirror that would let them really see who they have become.

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So killing in self defense is not about saving your own life anymore. (Original post)	Kablooie	Nov 2021	OP
As the Judge stated after he interrupted the prosecutor,	Bluethroughu	Nov 2021	#1
and if you were afraid of the crowd itself	Skittles	Nov 2021	#3
These people don't just think they're innocent; they think they're heroes	unblock	Nov 2021	#2
Sage words my friend (nt)	Hugh_Lebowski	Nov 2021	#4
Reasonable fear of death or bodily injury	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#5
Kyle R. is a person who claimed "fear" of possible harm to himself	oasis	Nov 2021	#9
So he asked for it?	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#11
"assaulting him"?????.	oasis	Nov 2021	#12
After KR assaulted them by pointing his rifle at them? and WTF about rape man !? Rape victims don't	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#31
If that happened	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#36
KR didn't retreat shooting at unarmed people running away. That's not "retreating" by the law the	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#37
Where are you getting your story from?	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#38
Yes he did turn around REPOINTED his weapon at Rosenbaum while he was running away ! We	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#42
Yes	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#44
Yes, AFTER KR pointed his weapon at him!! OMFG, why are people leaving that fact out of the picture	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#46
Because...	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#54
He did NOT retreat, he turned around firing at those chasing him	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#61
Yes	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#66
"about to be caught" is where the prosecutor failed ... It's not where the	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#69
Not true at all	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#70
Firing a weapon while running away is not retreating, to say that's retreating would give	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#71
You are under the impression	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#74
Duty to retreat is established law in Wisconsin, KR had to after he brandished his weapon and was	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#78
Your opinion	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#79
Your Flawed Argument, Sir	The Magistrate	Nov 2021	#40
It is entirely possible	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#45
And At That Point, Sir	The Magistrate	Nov 2021	#47
The position taken	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#55
I Understand What the Law Is, Sir	The Magistrate	Nov 2021	#56
And like those people	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#59
Based On Comprehension Of The World Around Me, Sir	The Magistrate	Nov 2021	#60
This is a political forum for Democrats and liberals,	radius777	Nov 2021	#82
Last time I checked	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#83
Liberals value justice, and	radius777	Nov 2021	#88
Agree completely, the victims should've offed him in self defense,	radius777	Nov 2021	#76
Reinoehl	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#80
RW talking points. We don't know the facts (and full context) of the case	radius777	Nov 2021	#81
A predictable end	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#84
That's not what witnesses or the NYT report says.	radius777	Nov 2021	#86
Well, according to the prosecution "everybody takes a beating sometimes."	Steelrolled	Nov 2021	#10
I love how some people like to imagine the 2nd and 3rd shootings happened first	Tommy Carcetti	Nov 2021	#13
RIGHT ! Even the M$M wants leave out the fact that KR pointed his weapon first and then the crowd	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#32
What they see in the mirror	keithbvadu2	Nov 2021	#6
It's been that way for a very long time. Going back to English Common Law I believe.	Kaleva	Nov 2021	#7
Traditionally,	Elessar Zappa	Nov 2021	#15
Yep. The old reasonable fear of imminent death	Solomon	Nov 2021	#17
Any skater will tell you their board is weapon when needed	Devil Child	Nov 2021	#20
Reasonable fear of death...	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#27
Let's see. If i'm in a fight, would i want a skateboard	Solomon	Nov 2021	#29
I'm not sure what point you're making	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#30
Zeitghost, you've done a pretty good job of explaining the situation.	Lucid Dreamer	Nov 2021	#73
The 'Castle Doctrine' morphed into 'Stand Your Ground'	pfitz59	Nov 2021	#8
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2021	#14
Its not quite that simple	Amishman	Nov 2021	#16
That's an interesting take.	Kablooie	Nov 2021	#21
and it did, all three guilty as predicted	Amishman	Nov 2021	#25
Exactly.	Dr. Strange	Nov 2021	#26
Arbery didn't assault his killers first by pointing a weapon at them	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#33
You are confusing brandishing with assault	EX500rider	Nov 2021	#67
Both crimes and threatening	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#68
It all started with Clint Eastwood: "Go ahead. Make my day".	Solomon	Nov 2021	#18
The fundamentals of self defense law	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#39
You mean Reagan the Governor. Cause Dirty Harry is from 1971.	cinematicdiversions	Nov 2021	#75
This message was self-deleted by its author	Mad_Machine76	Nov 2021	#19
WI has no Stand Your Ground Law	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#41
No, this is what the NRA has wrought on society.	Initech	Nov 2021	#22
Two of the three victims literally had their hand on the barrel of the rifle...	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#23
He pointed his weapon at them first, I love how so many people are leaving that out of narrative!!!	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#34
Apparently the Jury, after reviewing the evidence... didn't find that to be accurate or relevant.	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#48
And It's A Shame That Blow Didn't Kill The Punk, Sir	The Magistrate	Nov 2021	#43
The irony is...	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#49
I Agree, Sir	The Magistrate	Nov 2021	#51
I like to think of my home state of California	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#52
Hear Hear, Sir	The Magistrate	Nov 2021	#53
You can open carry here in CA	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#58
Letter of the Law?..IN THE CONSTITUTION...WHAT IS THAT?..WHERE DID IT COME FROM?	Stuart G	Nov 2021	#63
Most states do not require a duty to retreat	hardluck	Nov 2021	#72
It's been that way for quite awhile. English Common Law days.	Kaleva	Nov 2021	#24
This kid would have carried a pistol if he was truly just afraid	fescuerescue	Nov 2021	#28
But that'd be illegal...	WarGamer	Nov 2021	#50
Why? It was legal to carry a machine gun.	fescuerescue	Nov 2021	#77
No	Zeitghost	Nov 2021	#85
I thought that KH had an AR15	fescuerescue	Nov 2021	#89
Correct. If you mean KR.	yagotme	Nov 2021	#90
K&R, Zimmerman and KR assaulted their victims FIRST !!!	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#35
America's been breeding cowards for quite some time now.	Iggo	Nov 2021	#57
Maybe...but we also breed the ..."GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY"..do you know who Jonas Salk is? I do.	Stuart G	Nov 2021	#65
Always up to the jury....Always..!!!!!...Bill of Rights!! Entitled to .."Trial by Jury"	Stuart G	Nov 2021	#62
Does it say somewhere that the Constitution...Is the "Supreme Law of the Land"	Stuart G	Nov 2021	#64
gun humping cowards are always skeered	Skittles	Nov 2021	#87

Response to Kablooie (Original post)

Fri Nov 19, 2021, 11:47 PM

Bluethroughu (2,106 posts)

1. As the Judge stated after he interrupted the prosecutor,

The mere crowd itself could be threatening and could cause death...then a break...then rotten claiming he was threatened by the crowd coming toward him, but he acknowledged under oath he saw NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND.

SO crowds are threatening and can scare people to shoot because they need to defend themselves.

The protestors were not on trial, a man who killed two unarmed people was.

So killing in self defense is not about saving your own life anymore.

1. As the Judge stated after he interrupted the prosecutor,

3. and if you were afraid of the crowd itself

2. These people don't just think they're innocent; they think they're heroes

4. Sage words my friend (nt)

5. Reasonable fear of death or bodily injury

9. Kyle R. is a person who claimed "fear" of possible harm to himself

11. So he asked for it?

12. "assaulting him"?????.

31. After KR assaulted them by pointing his rifle at them? and WTF about rape man !? Rape victims don't

36. If that happened

37. KR didn't retreat shooting at unarmed people running away. That's not "retreating" by the law the

38. Where are you getting your story from?

42. Yes he did turn around **REPOINTED** his weapon at Rosenbaum while he was running away ! We

44. Yes

46. Yes, AFTER KR pointed his weapon at him!! OMFG, why are people leaving that fact out of the picture

54. Because...

61. He did NOT retreat, he turned around firing at those chasing him

66. Yes

69. "about to be caught" is where the prosecutor failed ... It's not where the

70. Not true at all

71. Firing a weapon while running away is not retreating, to say that's retreating would give

74. You are under the impression

78. Duty to retreat is established law in Wisconsin, KR had to after he brandished his weapon and was

79. Your opinion

40. Your Flawed Argument, Sir

45. It is entirely possible

47. And At That Point, Sir

55. The position taken

56. I Understand What the Law Is, Sir

59. And like those people

60. Based On Comprehension Of The World Around Me, Sir

82. This is a political forum for Democrats and liberals,

83. Last time I checked

88. Liberals value justice, and

76. Agree completely, the victims should've offed him in self defense,

80. Reinoehl

81. RW talking points. We don't know the facts (and full context) of the case

84. A predictable end

86. That's not what witnesses or the NYT report says.

10. Well, according to the prosecution "everybody takes a beating sometimes."

13. I love how some people like to imagine the 2nd and 3rd shootings happened first

32. RIGHT ! Even the M$M wants leave out the fact that KR pointed his weapon first and then the crowd

6. What they see in the mirror

7. It's been that way for a very long time. Going back to English Common Law I believe.

15. Traditionally,

17. Yep. The old reasonable fear of imminent death

20. Any skater will tell you their board is weapon when needed

27. Reasonable fear of death...

29. Let's see. If i'm in a fight, would i want a skateboard

30. I'm not sure what point you're making

73. Zeitghost, you've done a pretty good job of explaining the situation.

8. The 'Castle Doctrine' morphed into 'Stand Your Ground'

16. Its not quite that simple

21. That's an interesting take.

25. and it did, all three guilty as predicted

26. Exactly.

33. Arbery didn't assault his killers first by pointing a weapon at them

67. You are confusing brandishing with assault

68. Both crimes and threatening

18. It all started with Clint Eastwood: "Go ahead. Make my day".

39. The fundamentals of self defense law

75. You mean Reagan the Governor. Cause Dirty Harry is from 1971.

41. WI has no Stand Your Ground Law

22. No, this is what the NRA has wrought on society.

23. Two of the three victims literally had their hand on the barrel of the rifle...

34. He pointed his weapon at them first, I love how so many people are leaving that out of narrative!!!

48. Apparently the Jury, after reviewing the evidence... didn't find that to be accurate or relevant.

43. And It's A Shame That Blow Didn't Kill The Punk, Sir

49. The irony is...

51. I Agree, Sir

52. I like to think of my home state of California

53. Hear Hear, Sir

58. You can open carry here in CA

63. Letter of the Law?..IN THE CONSTITUTION...WHAT IS THAT?..WHERE DID IT COME FROM?

72. Most states do not require a duty to retreat

24. It's been that way for quite awhile. English Common Law days.

28. This kid would have carried a pistol if he was truly just afraid

50. But that'd be illegal...

77. Why? It was legal to carry a machine gun.

42. Yes he did turn around REPOINTED his weapon at Rosenbaum while he was running away ! We