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mzmolly

(51,217 posts)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:55 PM Nov 2021

Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecution 'Scored Major Points' in Their Closing Arguments - NEWSWEEK

The prosecution strengthened their case to get a conviction against Kyle Rittenhouse following their convincing closing arguments in the trial, a legal expert has said.

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In his closing argument, lead prosecutor Thomas Binger accused Rittenhouse of being a "chaos tourist" who traveled to Kenosha from his hometown of Antioch, Illinois, in order to initiate violence, noting how he was the only person to shoot anyone during the protests.

"You cannot claim self-defense against a danger you create. If you're the one threatening others, you lose the right to claim self-defense." Binger told the jury.

"The prosecution scored major points in closing arguments by emphasizing that each of the four shots Rittenhouse fired to kill Joseph Rosenbaum had to be in self-defense," DeSimone said.

"Once Rittenhouse's shot fractured Rosenbaum's pelvis, there was no threat to Rittenhouse at all. The defense's excuse that the bullets were fired rapidly is no excuse and Rittenhouse's lawyer really lost an opportunity by barely mentioning 'reasonable doubt.'
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Binger also suggested that after Rittenhouse repeatedly shot the unarmed Rosenbaum, others who were in Kenosha that night had the right to defend themselves from what they reasonably thought was an active shooter.


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Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecution 'Scored Major Points' in Their Closing Arguments - NEWSWEEK (Original Post) mzmolly Nov 2021 OP
It sounds like the Prosecution had a good closing LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #1
I feel they did. mzmolly Nov 2021 #4
Those ARE major points! dchill Nov 2021 #2
What I did see he did well. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #3
I'm not a lawyer but I thought they were effective mcar Nov 2021 #5
Would love a conviction. Plus, gun-humping toters will have to worry about "initiating violence." Hoyt Nov 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #7
That term needs to be a reliable part of our vocabulary. Paladin Nov 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #16
Convinced me, FWIW. GoodRaisin Nov 2021 #8
KR TY mzmolly Cha Nov 2021 #9
Thanks Cha! mzmolly Nov 2021 #14
.. Cha Nov 2021 #18
I've always said that if a person goes waving a gun around,they forfeit their life Walleye Nov 2021 #10
They teach children in school to throw things xmas74 Nov 2021 #11
Oh did they now Blue Owl Nov 2021 #12
K&R UTUSN Nov 2021 #13
Yeah not really. Firing 4 shots in SD? BusterMove Nov 2021 #17
K&R for visibility. crickets Nov 2021 #19
Newsweek is not the jury Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2021 #20

LetMyPeopleVote

(149,077 posts)
1. It sounds like the Prosecution had a good closing
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 09:56 PM
Nov 2021



Speaking with CNN's John Berman on Tuesday morning, two legal experts expressed surprise at the strong closing argument presented by the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case and said the jury may not let the young man who pleaded self-defense after killing two BLM protesters off the hook.

With the jury to be winnowed down from 18 to 12 via a lottery on Tuesday, Brooklyn Law School Assistant Professor Alexis Hoag told the "New Day" host: "The prosecution really delivered."

"I think they used the weekend well to bring their narrative together," Hoag continued. "What they did was deliver a compelling story arc, that's what jurors want to hear. They want the evidence, they want the witnesses to make some sort of sense."

"Their overarching narrative was you had this person coming in from outside, not defending their own property, not defending their own family, nor their home, bringing a gun, looking for a fight," she continued. "Then they peppered it with the highlights of evidence jurors saw, reinforcing repeatedly their storyline and the story arc. We saw the drone footage. We saw it when Rittenhouse shot, initially, Mr. Rosenbaum. He was on the ground, he wasn't lunging or attacking. Of course, that was the defense's characterization, so the prosecution actually really delivered."

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Would love a conviction. Plus, gun-humping toters will have to worry about "initiating violence."
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:59 PM
Nov 2021

Response to mzmolly (Original post)

Paladin

(28,481 posts)
15. That term needs to be a reliable part of our vocabulary.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 03:00 PM
Nov 2021

It will find accurate usage in any number of future incidents, unfortunately.

Response to Paladin (Reply #15)

Walleye

(32,388 posts)
10. I've always said that if a person goes waving a gun around,they forfeit their life
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:22 AM
Nov 2021

He was pointing the gun at people before even shot anybody. We expect a crowd to stop an active shooter. It’s not like we don’t know about what happens. It’s not like it’s rare or uncommon. Active shooter on a spree was the most logical conclusion, looking at Rittenhouse

xmas74

(29,703 posts)
11. They teach children in school to throw things
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:51 AM
Nov 2021

To confuse a gunman. Books, jackets, shoes-anything to disteact so others can get away.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,842 posts)
20. Newsweek is not the jury
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 08:13 PM
Nov 2021

They will be the arbiters of whose argument was strongest.

Unless the judge dismisses with prejudice- a distinct possibility.

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