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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNormalization of camaflouge gear?
Watching Penn State beat Maryland football yesterday, I was struck by Maryland coaches wearing camaflouge shirts, etc. Did not feel quite right to me. In fact, I liked seeing Maryland get beat. I would be bothered if one of those 'fuck Biden' chants started in a stadium with 'camy' gear in obvious sight.
Looking this up, I find the NFL has a 'salute to service' program to honor service members.
The NFL donated $51 million to military non-profits in the last 10 years https://www.nfl.com/causes/salute
[The publicity the NFL gets is huge. I wonder what percentage of NFL profits or revenues the 51 million constitutes. Tremendous amount of ads and apparrel being advertised]
I hope 'camy' gear does not become popular enough to 'normalize' the magat terrorists who love that stuff so much - or normalize militarization in general
Just my 'pinion.
Haggard Celine
(16,860 posts)I have a camo shirt and camo pants that I wear sometimes. It's been a while since I've worn them, but I think nothing of it. It's kind of popular here in the Deep South, especially in fall and winter. I associate it more with hunting than anything else. There aren't many militias near here, and if there are any they don't have that many members.
hlthe2b
(102,411 posts)I'm all for safety, believe me, but it always struck me as a little paradoxical that hunters wear camouflage with their bright orange safety gear. The latter bright orange gear makes all kinds of sense. The camo? Sort of defeats the purpose, right?
Captain Zero
(6,836 posts)Hunters Don't shoot them.
If deer can see in colors, i.e. orange, doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of the camo,?
hlthe2b
(102,411 posts)Deer are color blind to some degree, but it isn't clear that they can't differentiate certain "shades" (saturations) of orange/red from green...
lapfog_1
(29,227 posts)the prey animals would react to a odd shaped solid color moving the bush (even if the orange jacket hunters wear is perceived as grey). It completely defeats the purpose of camo which is used to blend in with the background.
Camo is only "useful" if fully integrated with the background.
Right now, it's become a "fad" clothing pattern...
One I can't wait to go away.
Haggard Celine
(16,860 posts)But yeah, they have to worry about other hunters shooting them too. I wouldn't go hunting, personally. I think it's too dangerous and not worth it just to get some free meat. By the time you figure in all that you paid for to make it to the woods, buy shells and clothes and gas, and then pay a guy to butcher it for you and make sausage out of some it, you've spent some money. Of course, the price of meat is steadily going up, so more people are probably going to be in the woods this winter. My advice to anyone who is coming down here at this time of year is to stay out of wooded areas!
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)I'm not a hunter, but a friend who was told me you don't want to be using white TP in the woods when people are hunting white tail deer. Makes sense.
Haggard Celine
(16,860 posts)I didn't know they made it, either. You're right, it makes sense, but I never would have thought of that!
VGNonly
(7,514 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,816 posts)hlthe2b
(102,411 posts)backgrounds.
Ka-Dinh Oy
(11,686 posts)Lots of camo here. Been here for a long time but has been increasing over the last few years.
I find something cute and the only print is camo. I don't do camo.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,458 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,728 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,728 posts)but the NFL teams are doing it, too.
maxsolomon
(33,423 posts)Has been for years/decades.
Your tax dollars at work, paying for NFL Coaches to wear Camo for a game.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,927 posts)At least around Michigan. Noticed it a lot when I got back from deployment. It really took off when Duck Dynasty got popular around 2013 or so. It's pretty common to see around here, but especially now in the fall. Stores will have sections if camo clothing, but that's more to cash in on hunting season probably.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)And, an increase in waterfowl hunting
Including my husband.
Uggg.. I hate the beards way more than camo.
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Enter stage left
(3,400 posts)I can spot every single person wearing camo clothing as I walk thru the mall!
empedocles
(15,751 posts)I remember seeing on tv, a convention of camo political types standing around the hotel lobby - only needed some with military back packs for added optics.
Captain Zero
(6,836 posts)Because you can't spot it when you misplace it !
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Mysterian
(4,597 posts)But they never seem to find their way to a recruiter's office.
Skittles
(153,212 posts)yes indeed
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)The recruiter's office is camouflaged.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)Supporting the troops, when the troops havent really made ordinary people safe in the last 75 years, is at best a misguided effort at community solidarity and at worst a kind of brainwashing that normalizes American hegemony around the world.
Camo, on the more harmful end of the spectrum, is a pro-military signal, although hunters who dont mind risking being shot by mistake sometimes wear it.
jimfields33
(16,008 posts)Its Veterans Day. A very important day in the United States. Im grateful that the NFL has stood by those military personnel. Thank you to all service members who sacrificed for our country.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)World War - arguably the stupidest thing ever done by mankind.
Now, of course, it's called Veterans Day, and it's been broadened to include those people, drafted and enlisted, who have been commanded to prop up dictators, protect oil fields, support expensive weapons systems, and invade countries unconnected with any harm to Americans.
The last Veterans who actually sacrificed for our country (not for criminals in charge of our country) are mostly gone now, so we are seeing November 11th being more and more about flag waving, war porn, and "thank you for your service" rather than remembering the horrors of war and the innocent lives lost.
As a disabled veteran (US Army, 1966-69) I have thought about this for a long time. The NFL as a business has made a branding move to align themselves with a false patriotism that many ignorant people still buy into. Until we start asking the deeper questions, we are fools as a culture and as a country.
jimfields33
(16,008 posts)If you think about it, its probably the most important day of the year.
hunter
(38,334 posts)Didn't need camouflage gear.
It's so weird how camouflage gear has become anything but camouflage.
2naSalit
(86,824 posts)Shit, even mace comes in pink camo along with guns and lingerie. It's everywhere around here and one out of four people I see in public are wearing at least one garment with it. Even baby clothes come in camo. It's on truck accessories and full paint jobs.
Every guy who claims he's retired special forces wears it all the time, all the wannabes wear it all the time like they live in a fucking war zone, the one that's only in their heads but then, that's where they live.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)' . . . all the wannabes wear it all the time like they live in a fucking war zone, the one that's only in their heads but then, that's where they live.'
MenloParque
(512 posts)orangecrush
(19,636 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Just like they do the pink cleats, etc., for breast cancer.
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)as being pro-breast.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)sop
(10,274 posts)Used to be only t-shirts and ball caps.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who thought I should have an excuse for losing keys so often.
As for the OP, camo's been normal for many decades, though no surprise if it's especially popular on the right at this time.
Go to any rural area, though, and anywhere hunting's common, and insulated camo coveralls, overalls, jackets and pants, etc, have always been around. Very warm, last for years, and above all available everywhere and low end priced far far cheaper than non-camo fabrics would cost, if they could be found. As well as summer camo of course.
orangecrush
(19,636 posts)Kaleva
(36,357 posts)Cammo outer wear will attract attention unless most everyone else in the area is wearing it.
A couple of years ago my wife and I went to an Eric Church concert in Green Bay. We wore flannel shirts and at the concert, the vast majority of others in the audience were also wearing flannel.
sarisataka
(18,808 posts)I have to stop wearing camo items? I've camo in my wardrobe for well over 30 years
Elessar Zappa
(14,085 posts)both Dems and Repubs wear camo. Its just a cultural thing mostly associated with hunters, I believe. I have no problem with it.
sarisataka
(18,808 posts)-some of the best outdoor clothing comes in camo patterns
-my wife says it looks good on me. We make quite the pair, one in camo the other in tie dye
Every few years I go hunting when my daughter asks.
dchill
(38,556 posts)...I can still see you.
Aristus
(66,474 posts)Got it out of my system. I don't have anything to prove, or shaky, insecure masculinity to protect.
Whenever possible, I wear high-quality tailored clothing, which makes me feel more attractive than I am.
My clothing also distinguishes me from the beer-bellied armchair warriors who think camo makes them look tough. I wouldn't want anyone to mistake me for one of them.
SYFROYH
(34,185 posts)maxrandb
(15,363 posts)but then I did go a do 30 years in the Navy.
I have two pairs of Flight Deck boots, and two pairs of Boondockers.
I've hiked in winter in the Sierra Nevada mountains and West Mountains in Idaho. My Flight Deck boots kept my feet bone dry.
iemanja
(53,075 posts)I have a couple of pieces of camo-print clothing.
ZZenith
(4,130 posts)I like clothes, you know. I dig fabrics. One of my favorite clothing patterns is camouflage. Because when you're in the woods it makes you blend in. But when you're not it does just the opposite. It's like, 'Hey, there's an asshole.' But when you're in the woods you're like, 'Is there an asshole out here?' They look like trees.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)in the 60s the hippies in the Haight-Ashbury were wearing military clothing. Not usually camo, just the plain olive drab. It wasn't a political statement, there were just a lot of military surplus stores back then and the colthing was cheap, warm and durable.
ShazzieB
(16,546 posts)When I was in college in the early to mid 70s, it seemed like about every other male student had an olive drab army jacket. Some of the girls, too!
It's actually a very practical way to dress. I went to a state university where most people were on limited budgets. Cheap, warm, durable clothing was highly valued.
Shermann
(7,451 posts)Celerity
(43,582 posts)https://www.endclothing.com/se/features/the-culture-of-camouflage-with-maharishis-hardy-blechman?storeCode=SE
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Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)wears camo 'Crocs. Wrong on at least 2 levels. LOL.
Igel
(35,362 posts)First, Crocs are bad. Universally, all the time.
And esp. bad in school.
The color? Teal, brown, cow, camo. Meh.
But Crox? At school?
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,678 posts)Tillman was killed by his own men, a clusterfuck at best and a us government criminal cover up at worst.
90% of people who know anything about him think HERO, shot by the bad guys, protecting the good old usa.
Turns out the Story of Tillman was made up as propaganda to keep the sheep citizens supporting the never ending conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan going and going and going.
Don't get me wrong we should always support our veterans, but we SHOULD not sent them into unplanned useless, money wasting adventures that have no clear goals and never end, in the first place.
The freaking Soviets told us in 1979 a whole decade plus before we went, that trying to control Afghanistan was totally useless and a waste of time money and soldiers lives and we still didn't listen..WTF
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Why do we care what people wear?
Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)You know - ahead of Veteran's Day?
Sympthsical
(9,128 posts)A lot of camo gear is made for being outdoors in the elements. A lot of camo stuff is just warmer.
But it's always been a thing. I have a few camo things around, and I've never hunted in my life. I have a coat that's kind of a dark blue and black camo design. Had it for years. Love how it looks.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
kairos12
(12,877 posts)It was Army issue.
Never touch it now.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)from falling apart at the wrong time was cold in the winter and warm in the summer.
shanti
(21,675 posts)for a lot of different groups for quite a long time now, at least since the early 90's. When I was in the mix with reggae, it was always popular. It fit in very well with the music and general revolutionary vibe, and has taken off from there.
I'm 65, don't hunt, and live in the NorCal suburbs. Maybe I'm weird, and I still wear it, but one piece at a time.
NickB79
(19,274 posts)RealTree has been a fashion trend in rural areas for literally decades.
Dorian Gray
(13,503 posts)is this week. So lots of teams will be honoring Veterans.
I mean, I have a pair of lululemon camo yoga pants. Love them. I'm certainly not in a militia.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)If it saves just one fashion faux pas, it's worth it I say.