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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:16 PM Nov 2021

Normalization of camaflouge gear?

Watching Penn State beat Maryland football yesterday, I was struck by Maryland coaches wearing camaflouge shirts, etc. Did not feel quite right to me. In fact, I liked seeing Maryland get beat. I would be bothered if one of those 'fuck Biden' chants started in a stadium with 'camy' gear in obvious sight.

Looking this up, I find the NFL has a 'salute to service' program to honor service members.
The NFL donated $51 million to military non-profits in the last 10 years https://www.nfl.com/causes/salute

[The publicity the NFL gets is huge. I wonder what percentage of NFL profits or revenues the 51 million constitutes. Tremendous amount of ads and apparrel being advertised]

I hope 'camy' gear does not become popular enough to 'normalize' the magat terrorists who love that stuff so much - or normalize militarization in general

Just my 'pinion.

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Normalization of camaflouge gear? (Original Post) empedocles Nov 2021 OP
Not everyone who wears camo is a militia member. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #1
As an aside... hlthe2b Nov 2021 #2
Camo is to hide from deer; orange is so other Captain Zero Nov 2021 #8
Thus my point. hlthe2b Nov 2021 #11
Even if color blind lapfog_1 Nov 2021 #18
Well, they want to blend in so that the deer or whatever won't spot them. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #14
I thought it was funny when I found out they make camo toilet paper. Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #37
Lol! Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #44
Orange TP? VGNonly Nov 2021 #50
Deer don't see the color orange nm Ex Lurker Nov 2021 #55
See my post upstream. No, they differentiate INTENSITY of orange v green shades--especiall wit solid hlthe2b Nov 2021 #56
Come to Lewis county Washington. Ka-Dinh Oy Nov 2021 #3
The military partnership is a moneymaker for pro and college sports. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #4
Veteran's Day is this week. Probably in honor of that... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #5
Big month long special promotion empedocles Nov 2021 #9
Don't know about that... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #49
Military recruitment is a paid sponsor of the NFL. maxsolomon Nov 2021 #76
Camo print on clothing has been normal for over a decade now DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2021 #6
Yes! In Ohio too and those god awful beards. OhioBlue Nov 2021 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #62
What a waste of money... Enter stage left Nov 2021 #7
A lot of comic irony with camo empedocles Nov 2021 #12
What's really dumb. A Camo Phone cover Captain Zero Nov 2021 #13
How can you be sure? n/t Captain Stern Nov 2021 #73
A lot of wannabe soldiers wear that stuff Mysterian Nov 2021 #10
you got that right Skittles Nov 2021 #51
Of course not. HubertHeaver Nov 2021 #59
The "Salute to Service" movement seems like friendly fascism. Ron Green Nov 2021 #15
I'm thankful they do this and should do it even more jimfields33 Nov 2021 #21
It was properly called Armistice Day, and it commemorated the horrific loss of life in the first Ron Green Nov 2021 #74
Thank god for it. I hope it expands even more. jimfields33 Nov 2021 #75
I learned how to be invisible, as best I was able, in middle school and high school hunter Nov 2021 #16
About twenty years too late for that. 2naSalit Nov 2021 #17
Worth repeating - in my 'pinion empedocles Nov 2021 #20
... 2naSalit Nov 2021 #24
My 16 year old niece is a competitive air soft player and loves camo! It's FINE and NORMAL! MenloParque Nov 2021 #19
Agree. orangecrush Nov 2021 #26
Football does this every year around Veterans Day. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #22
I will go on record Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #41
I still can't find my Camo Wallet. NT cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #23
. empedocles Nov 2021 #25
Here in Florida I see complete camo wraps on lifted, 4WD PUs. sop Nov 2021 #27
Laugh about a wallet, but I have a camo keychain, a gift from someone Hortensis Nov 2021 #28
.... orangecrush Nov 2021 #29
LOL! Kaleva Nov 2021 #31
.... orangecrush Nov 2021 #53
The best camoflouge is to look like everyone else. Blend in and don't stand out. Kaleva Nov 2021 #30
Does this mean sarisataka Nov 2021 #32
Here in southwest NM Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #38
I usually wear it for one of two reasons sarisataka Nov 2021 #43
All I know for sure is that if you wear your camo to Walmart... dchill Nov 2021 #33
I wore Woodland camouflage BDU's for four years as a tanker. Aristus Nov 2021 #34
Camo and Realtree are fun clothes. SYFROYH Nov 2021 #35
When I was a kid, it was cool to have an Army Jacket from the Army-Navy Surplus store maxrandb Nov 2021 #36
Camo is in style iemanja Nov 2021 #39
I like Demetri Martin's take on the phenomenon: ZZenith Nov 2021 #40
I like Demetri empedocles Nov 2021 #48
The ironic thing is Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #42
That stuff was popular on college campuses, too, for the same reasons. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #67
Camo shorts are cool! nt Shermann Nov 2021 #45
The Culture of Camouflage with Maharishi's Hardy Blechman Celerity Nov 2021 #46
One of the other Dads at my daughter's school Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #47
Agreed. Wrong on at least two levels. Igel Nov 2021 #60
It's Veterans day week, so I get it, my school played with Tillman logos, RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2021 #52
What a strange post. CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #54
All the football teams are honoring veterans this weekend Maru Kitteh Nov 2021 #57
Probably just colder weather Sympthsical Nov 2021 #61
I wore camo. kairos12 Nov 2021 #63
Agreed. Army issue was made by "the lowest bidder" and aside... TreasonousBastard Nov 2021 #65
Camo has always been a thing shanti Nov 2021 #64
You don't come from a family that hunts much, I take it? NickB79 Nov 2021 #66
Veterans Day Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #68
Have you seen the camo bride and bridesmaid dresses? Classy. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #69
Perhaps there are accessories that go along with those outfits - like camy ankle holsters? empedocles Nov 2021 #70
10 Camo Style Rules We Learned From "Duck Dynasty" Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2021 #71
Maybe registration and 3 day waiting period for camo clothes? fescuerescue Nov 2021 #72

Haggard Celine

(16,860 posts)
1. Not everyone who wears camo is a militia member.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:26 PM
Nov 2021

I have a camo shirt and camo pants that I wear sometimes. It's been a while since I've worn them, but I think nothing of it. It's kind of popular here in the Deep South, especially in fall and winter. I associate it more with hunting than anything else. There aren't many militias near here, and if there are any they don't have that many members.

hlthe2b

(102,411 posts)
2. As an aside...
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:32 PM
Nov 2021

I'm all for safety, believe me, but it always struck me as a little paradoxical that hunters wear camouflage with their bright orange safety gear. The latter bright orange gear makes all kinds of sense. The camo? Sort of defeats the purpose, right?

Captain Zero

(6,836 posts)
8. Camo is to hide from deer; orange is so other
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:38 PM
Nov 2021

Hunters Don't shoot them.

If deer can see in colors, i.e. orange, doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of the camo,?

hlthe2b

(102,411 posts)
11. Thus my point.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:40 PM
Nov 2021

Deer are color blind to some degree, but it isn't clear that they can't differentiate certain "shades" (saturations) of orange/red from green...

lapfog_1

(29,227 posts)
18. Even if color blind
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:52 PM
Nov 2021

the prey animals would react to a odd shaped solid color moving the bush (even if the orange jacket hunters wear is perceived as grey). It completely defeats the purpose of camo which is used to blend in with the background.

Camo is only "useful" if fully integrated with the background.

Right now, it's become a "fad" clothing pattern...



One I can't wait to go away.

Haggard Celine

(16,860 posts)
14. Well, they want to blend in so that the deer or whatever won't spot them.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:45 PM
Nov 2021

But yeah, they have to worry about other hunters shooting them too. I wouldn't go hunting, personally. I think it's too dangerous and not worth it just to get some free meat. By the time you figure in all that you paid for to make it to the woods, buy shells and clothes and gas, and then pay a guy to butcher it for you and make sausage out of some it, you've spent some money. Of course, the price of meat is steadily going up, so more people are probably going to be in the woods this winter. My advice to anyone who is coming down here at this time of year is to stay out of wooded areas!

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
37. I thought it was funny when I found out they make camo toilet paper.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:37 PM
Nov 2021

I'm not a hunter, but a friend who was told me you don't want to be using white TP in the woods when people are hunting white tail deer. Makes sense.

Haggard Celine

(16,860 posts)
44. Lol!
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 08:05 PM
Nov 2021

I didn't know they made it, either. You're right, it makes sense, but I never would have thought of that!

hlthe2b

(102,411 posts)
56. See my post upstream. No, they differentiate INTENSITY of orange v green shades--especiall wit solid
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 10:25 PM
Nov 2021

backgrounds.

Ka-Dinh Oy

(11,686 posts)
3. Come to Lewis county Washington.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:33 PM
Nov 2021

Lots of camo here. Been here for a long time but has been increasing over the last few years.

I find something cute and the only print is camo. I don't do camo.

maxsolomon

(33,423 posts)
76. Military recruitment is a paid sponsor of the NFL.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:42 PM
Nov 2021

Has been for years/decades.

Your tax dollars at work, paying for NFL Coaches to wear Camo for a game.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,927 posts)
6. Camo print on clothing has been normal for over a decade now
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:35 PM
Nov 2021

At least around Michigan. Noticed it a lot when I got back from deployment. It really took off when Duck Dynasty got popular around 2013 or so. It's pretty common to see around here, but especially now in the fall. Stores will have sections if camo clothing, but that's more to cash in on hunting season probably.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
58. Yes! In Ohio too and those god awful beards.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 10:36 PM
Nov 2021

And, an increase in waterfowl hunting

Including my husband.

Uggg.. I hate the beards way more than camo.



Response to OhioBlue (Reply #58)

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
12. A lot of comic irony with camo
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:42 PM
Nov 2021

I remember seeing on tv, a convention of camo political types standing around the hotel lobby - only needed some with military back packs for added optics.

Mysterian

(4,597 posts)
10. A lot of wannabe soldiers wear that stuff
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:39 PM
Nov 2021

But they never seem to find their way to a recruiter's office.

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
15. The "Salute to Service" movement seems like friendly fascism.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:45 PM
Nov 2021

“Supporting the troops,” when the troops haven’t really made ordinary people safe in the last 75 years, is at best a misguided effort at community solidarity and at worst a kind of brainwashing that normalizes American hegemony around the world.

Camo, on the more harmful end of the spectrum, is a pro-military signal, although hunters who don’t mind risking being shot by mistake sometimes wear it.

jimfields33

(16,008 posts)
21. I'm thankful they do this and should do it even more
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:56 PM
Nov 2021

It’s Veterans Day. A very important day in the United States. I’m grateful that the NFL has stood by those military personnel. Thank you to all service members who sacrificed for our country.

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
74. It was properly called Armistice Day, and it commemorated the horrific loss of life in the first
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 02:59 PM
Nov 2021

World War - arguably the stupidest thing ever done by mankind.

Now, of course, it's called Veterans Day, and it's been broadened to include those people, drafted and enlisted, who have been commanded to prop up dictators, protect oil fields, support expensive weapons systems, and invade countries unconnected with any harm to Americans.

The last Veterans who actually sacrificed for our country (not for criminals in charge of our country) are mostly gone now, so we are seeing November 11th being more and more about flag waving, war porn, and "thank you for your service" rather than remembering the horrors of war and the innocent lives lost.

As a disabled veteran (US Army, 1966-69) I have thought about this for a long time. The NFL as a business has made a branding move to align themselves with a false patriotism that many ignorant people still buy into. Until we start asking the deeper questions, we are fools as a culture and as a country.

jimfields33

(16,008 posts)
75. Thank god for it. I hope it expands even more.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:35 PM
Nov 2021

If you think about it, it’s probably the most important day of the year.

hunter

(38,334 posts)
16. I learned how to be invisible, as best I was able, in middle school and high school
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:46 PM
Nov 2021

Didn't need camouflage gear.

It's so weird how camouflage gear has become anything but camouflage.

2naSalit

(86,824 posts)
17. About twenty years too late for that.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:49 PM
Nov 2021

Shit, even mace comes in pink camo along with guns and lingerie. It's everywhere around here and one out of four people I see in public are wearing at least one garment with it. Even baby clothes come in camo. It's on truck accessories and full paint jobs.

Every guy who claims he's retired special forces wears it all the time, all the wannabes wear it all the time like they live in a fucking war zone, the one that's only in their heads but then, that's where they live.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
20. Worth repeating - in my 'pinion
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:53 PM
Nov 2021

' . . . all the wannabes wear it all the time like they live in a fucking war zone, the one that's only in their heads but then, that's where they live.'



 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
22. Football does this every year around Veterans Day.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 06:57 PM
Nov 2021

Just like they do the pink cleats, etc., for breast cancer.

sop

(10,274 posts)
27. Here in Florida I see complete camo wraps on lifted, 4WD PUs.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:14 PM
Nov 2021

Used to be only t-shirts and ball caps.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Laugh about a wallet, but I have a camo keychain, a gift from someone
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:14 PM
Nov 2021

who thought I should have an excuse for losing keys so often.

As for the OP, camo's been normal for many decades, though no surprise if it's especially popular on the right at this time.

Go to any rural area, though, and anywhere hunting's common, and insulated camo coveralls, overalls, jackets and pants, etc, have always been around. Very warm, last for years, and above all available everywhere and low end priced far far cheaper than non-camo fabrics would cost, if they could be found. As well as summer camo of course.

Kaleva

(36,357 posts)
30. The best camoflouge is to look like everyone else. Blend in and don't stand out.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:24 PM
Nov 2021

Cammo outer wear will attract attention unless most everyone else in the area is wearing it.

A couple of years ago my wife and I went to an Eric Church concert in Green Bay. We wore flannel shirts and at the concert, the vast majority of others in the audience were also wearing flannel.

Elessar Zappa

(14,085 posts)
38. Here in southwest NM
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:39 PM
Nov 2021

both Dems and Repubs wear camo. It’s just a cultural thing mostly associated with hunters, I believe. I have no problem with it.

sarisataka

(18,808 posts)
43. I usually wear it for one of two reasons
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:52 PM
Nov 2021

-some of the best outdoor clothing comes in camo patterns

-my wife says it looks good on me. We make quite the pair, one in camo the other in tie dye

Every few years I go hunting when my daughter asks.

Aristus

(66,474 posts)
34. I wore Woodland camouflage BDU's for four years as a tanker.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:29 PM
Nov 2021

Got it out of my system. I don't have anything to prove, or shaky, insecure masculinity to protect.

Whenever possible, I wear high-quality tailored clothing, which makes me feel more attractive than I am.

My clothing also distinguishes me from the beer-bellied armchair warriors who think camo makes them look tough. I wouldn't want anyone to mistake me for one of them.

maxrandb

(15,363 posts)
36. When I was a kid, it was cool to have an Army Jacket from the Army-Navy Surplus store
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:34 PM
Nov 2021

but then I did go a do 30 years in the Navy.

I have two pairs of Flight Deck boots, and two pairs of Boondockers.

I've hiked in winter in the Sierra Nevada mountains and West Mountains in Idaho. My Flight Deck boots kept my feet bone dry.

ZZenith

(4,130 posts)
40. I like Demetri Martin's take on the phenomenon:
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:39 PM
Nov 2021

“I like clothes, you know. I dig fabrics. One of my favorite clothing patterns is camouflage. Because when you're in the woods it makes you blend in. But when you're not it does just the opposite. It's like, 'Hey, there's an asshole.' But when you're in the woods you're like, 'Is there an asshole out here?' They look like trees.“

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
42. The ironic thing is
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 07:44 PM
Nov 2021

in the 60s the hippies in the Haight-Ashbury were wearing military clothing. Not usually camo, just the plain olive drab. It wasn't a political statement, there were just a lot of military surplus stores back then and the colthing was cheap, warm and durable.

ShazzieB

(16,546 posts)
67. That stuff was popular on college campuses, too, for the same reasons.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:36 AM
Nov 2021

When I was in college in the early to mid 70s, it seemed like about every other male student had an olive drab army jacket. Some of the girls, too!

It's actually a very practical way to dress. I went to a state university where most people were on limited budgets. Cheap, warm, durable clothing was highly valued.

Celerity

(43,582 posts)
46. The Culture of Camouflage with Maharishi's Hardy Blechman
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 08:22 PM
Nov 2021
Now in its 25th year, Maharishi has been redefining the way we view utilitarian clothing since its inception in 1994. Sitting down with the label's founder at his studio space in Soho, END. and Hardy discuss camouflage's pre-military use, the appeal of functional apparel and his fondness for hemp.

https://www.endclothing.com/se/features/the-culture-of-camouflage-with-maharishis-hardy-blechman?storeCode=SE





Building a visual code that combines army surplus with influences from Japan and India, Maharishi promotes its central core values of pacifism, ethical production and camouflage history, deftly negotiating the world of streetwear to cultivate a celebration of the beauty of utilitarian design. Having undertaken the monumental task of compiling "DPM - Disruptive Pattern Material, An Encyclopaedia of Camouflage: Nature, Military & Culture" at the turn of the Millennium, Hardy elucidated his ambition to change the way in which camouflage was perceived. Documenting camo's roots in art and naturalist studies - inspired by the work of the American painter and naturalist Abbot Thayer in the 1909 book Concealing-Coloration in the Animal Kingdom - the designer's 2004 compendium clarified the true history of the concealment technique in a bid to shirk camouflage's standardised military associations. A champion of camouflage as an abstract art-form and naturalist theory that was co-opted by the military rather than invented by it, the British designer's label showcases what Hardy terms "Pacifist Military Design". While on the surface it may seem like a paradoxical way of describing a brand that is wholeheartedly entrenched in an aesthetic of military and industrial influence, Maharishi's garments avoid the advocation of military action, instead offering an appreciation of exceptional design with an inherent understanding of the way in which military clothing pervades most corners of contemporary menswear.

Presenting practical clothing that offers the true combination of functionality and aesthetics, the label traces the lines of historical military garments to envisage a unique perspective of modern menswear. Infused with a dedication to producing clothing with hemp fabric and organic cotton, Maharishi maintains a strong ethos and attitude of respect for the natural world while employing the latest technology to create garments that are long-lasting with a powerful and instantly recognisable visual presence. Sitting down with Maharishi's founder and designer, END. and Hardy discuss all things camouflage and utilitarian in this exclusive interview.














http://dpm-studio.com/







http://dpm-studio.com/?p=47



Camouflage patterns are paradoxical. On one hand they are associated with the
oppressive force of the military, while on the other they are a representation of the
shapes and colours of nature. As traditional military camouflage uniforms become
increasingly redundant in evading detection on today’s high tech battlefields and the
popularity of camouflage in areas of civilian culture such as art, fashion, and music
continues to rise, is it losing its significance as a military symbol?



Now, after seven years of research, DPM (Disruptive Pattern Material) will be the
most comprehensive book ever released on the subject of camouflage. Compiled and
published by Maharishi’s Hardy Blechman, DPM is a 944-page encyclopaedic art book
that charts the history of camouflage that is illustrated with over 5,000 images (many
previously unpublished) and split into three very different sections.



The story begins in the natural world with the colours, markings, and deceptive
techniques that have evolved in plants and animals over millennia. This initial ‘Nature’
section describes the many ways in which organisms hide from and deceive one
another with phenomena such as disruptive patterns, mimicry, and countershading.
Stunning imagery for this section has been acquired from a number of renowned
sources such as National Geographic, Oxford Scientific Films, and the award-winning
underwater photographer Dr Alexander Mustard.



A refreshingly original take on the development of military camouflage is presented
in the second section of DPM with an emphasis on the crucial role that artists played
in translating protective colouration and disruptive patterns from the natural world
to the uniforms and machineries of war. From the drab uniforms of the late 19th
century, to the ‘disruptive pattern revolution’ during WWI, to the introduction of printed
camouflage uniforms prior to WWII, and right up to the techniques of hiding from
today’s electromagnetic sensors – the history of the armed forces’ use of camouflage
and deceptive techniques is described in detail. The supplementary book DPM: Military
Camouflage Patterns of the World is the most extensive guide to official military
camouflage patterns ever published with details of the past and present camouflage
uniforms of 107 nations around the world.

Igel

(35,362 posts)
60. Agreed. Wrong on at least two levels.
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 11:51 PM
Nov 2021

First, Crocs are bad. Universally, all the time.

And esp. bad in school.

The color? Teal, brown, cow, camo. Meh.

But Crox? At school?

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,678 posts)
52. It's Veterans day week, so I get it, my school played with Tillman logos,
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 08:55 PM
Nov 2021

Tillman was killed by his own men, a clusterfuck at best and a us government criminal cover up at worst.

90% of people who know anything about him think HERO, shot by the bad guys, protecting the good old usa.

Turns out the Story of Tillman was made up as propaganda to keep the sheep citizens supporting the never ending conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan going and going and going.


Don't get me wrong we should always support our veterans, but we SHOULD not sent them into unplanned useless, money wasting adventures that have no clear goals and never end, in the first place.

The freaking Soviets told us in 1979 a whole decade plus before we went, that trying to control Afghanistan was totally useless and a waste of time money and soldiers lives and we still didn't listen..WTF

Sympthsical

(9,128 posts)
61. Probably just colder weather
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 12:04 AM
Nov 2021

A lot of camo gear is made for being outdoors in the elements. A lot of camo stuff is just warmer.

But it's always been a thing. I have a few camo things around, and I've never hunted in my life. I have a coat that's kind of a dark blue and black camo design. Had it for years. Love how it looks.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
65. Agreed. Army issue was made by "the lowest bidder" and aside...
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 12:56 AM
Nov 2021

from falling apart at the wrong time was cold in the winter and warm in the summer.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
64. Camo has always been a thing
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 12:41 AM
Nov 2021

for a lot of different groups for quite a long time now, at least since the early 90's. When I was in the mix with reggae, it was always popular. It fit in very well with the music and general revolutionary vibe, and has taken off from there.

I'm 65, don't hunt, and live in the NorCal suburbs. Maybe I'm weird, and I still wear it, but one piece at a time.

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
66. You don't come from a family that hunts much, I take it?
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 01:07 AM
Nov 2021

RealTree has been a fashion trend in rural areas for literally decades.

Dorian Gray

(13,503 posts)
68. Veterans Day
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 06:58 AM
Nov 2021

is this week. So lots of teams will be honoring Veterans.

I mean, I have a pair of lululemon camo yoga pants. Love them. I'm certainly not in a militia.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
72. Maybe registration and 3 day waiting period for camo clothes?
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 09:12 AM
Nov 2021

If it saves just one fashion faux pas, it's worth it I say.

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