Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:13 PM

Casady1 (1,519 posts)

gerrymander California

to 50 democratic seats and 5 republican seats. If the republicans complain then it opens up all the gerrymandering they are doing and it becomes a national story. We then reach critical mass.

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33 replies	Author	Time	Post
gerrymander California (Original post)	Casady1	Oct 2021	OP
Can't, sorry	wryter2000	Oct 2021	#1
New York can definitely do it.	roamer65	Oct 2021	#2
And needs to	wryter2000	Oct 2021	#12
IL is doing it.	roamer65	Oct 2021	#33
Prop 11 in 2008	Mordred	Oct 2021	#8
Welcome to DU	wryter2000	Oct 2021	#11
New York and Illinois can and appear to be doing so	dsc	Oct 2021	#3
I like the number 0 for Illinois and New York, myself!	Omnipresent	Oct 2021	#5
Potentially doable but very risky to become a dummy mander	dsc	Oct 2021	#13
I wonder how open 'Pukes would be for discussions after we do it 10 times worse to them within	Carlitos Brigante	Oct 2021	#4
redistricting commissions are just waving the white flag nt	msongs	Oct 2021	#6
Can't but bt IL and NY maybe a net gain of 10	ColinC	Oct 2021	#7
NC will be bad	dsc	Oct 2021	#14
Yeah on top of losing one or two in each small red state but making up for them	ColinC	Oct 2021	#17
actually it is worse	dsc	Oct 2021	#18
Not surprising.	ColinC	Oct 2021	#21
they released a finalish map to be commented upon	dsc	Oct 2021	#27
Now the state supreme court is democratic controlled, right?	ColinC	Oct 2021	#28
yes we have a 4 to 3 majority	dsc	Oct 2021	#29
And 3)	FBaggins	Oct 2021	#32
No.	Xolodno	Oct 2021	#9
We have to make it a national issue	Casady1	Oct 2021	#10
If the SC says state legislatures can do this...	NCDem47	Oct 2021	#15
Not from me.	TheRealNorth	Oct 2021	#16
Every blue state that can should	Bettie	Oct 2021	#19
I doubt that would ever happen as GOP will be close to holding most statehouses and state control	ColinC	Oct 2021	#22
It already is	Zeitghost	Oct 2021	#20
It isn't exactly gerrymandering in the traditional sense though...	ColinC	Oct 2021	#24
Like I said	Zeitghost	Oct 2021	#25
The Republicans wouldn't complain...	brooklynite	Oct 2021	#23
I've brought this up in a few threads	Zeitghost	Oct 2021	#26
California can't, but maybe NY and IL	RFCalifornia	Oct 2021	#30
I wish they'd gerrymander Idaho	jmowreader	Oct 2021	#31

Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:16 PM

wryter2000 (44,739 posts)

1. Can't, sorry

It's a great idea, but we have a citizens redistricting commission to prevent gerrymandering. I think New York can, though.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:18 PM

roamer65 (33,423 posts)

2. New York can definitely do it.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:46 PM

wryter2000 (44,739 posts)

12. And needs to

Any other states we can think of? IL?

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 11:15 PM

roamer65 (33,423 posts)

33. IL is doing it.

I do believe -3 R’s.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:34 PM

Mordred (68 posts)

8. Prop 11 in 2008

Voters First Act which set up the independent redistricting commission. Since passed by statewide prop, it's enshrined in the state constitution and can only be changed by another voter proposition or judicial review.

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Response to Mordred (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:46 PM

wryter2000 (44,739 posts)

11. Welcome to DU

Of course, we pass those propositions like mad, so who knows for the future?

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:19 PM

dsc (51,568 posts)

3. New York and Illinois can and appear to be doing so

New York is talking about driving the GOP down to 3 seats, while Illinois is talking about possibly going to 2.

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Response to dsc (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:23 PM

Omnipresent (4,886 posts)

5. I like the number 0 for Illinois and New York, myself!

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Response to Omnipresent (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:47 PM

dsc (51,568 posts)

13. Potentially doable but very risky to become a dummy mander

where we wind up losing a bunch of seats in close races in a wave election late in the 10 years. In Illinois the 2 seats are downstate and in NY 2 are upstate and 1 on long island (with or without Staten Island). It also runs the risk of making either no or few districts where minorities get their preferred candidates.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:22 PM

Carlitos Brigante (25,704 posts)

4. I wonder how open 'Pukes would be for discussions after we do it 10 times worse to them within

the biggest population states currently run by Democrats. I bet you they'd by wailing about how 'unjust' gerrymandering is.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:27 PM

msongs (65,210 posts)

6. redistricting commissions are just waving the white flag nt

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:28 PM

ColinC (7,137 posts)

7. Can't but bt IL and NY maybe a net gain of 10

To make up for the net losses across the rest of the country in what will inevitably be OH and likely FL

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Response to ColinC (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:48 PM

dsc (51,568 posts)

14. NC will be bad

we will go from 8 R 5 D to 10 R 4 D.

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Response to dsc (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:12 PM

ColinC (7,137 posts)

17. Yeah on top of losing one or two in each small red state but making up for them

In some of the small blue states.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:14 PM

dsc (51,568 posts)

18. actually it is worse

they went for 11R 3D

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Response to dsc (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:40 PM

ColinC (7,137 posts)

21. Not surprising.

Is there a final map -or soon to be final map to see? FWIW NY looks like it could be a 23D-3R map from 19D to 8R.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:57 PM

dsc (51,568 posts)

27. they released a finalish map to be commented upon

here the leg does redistricting with no gov veto, so it is the final map in all likelihood.

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Response to dsc (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:07 PM

ColinC (7,137 posts)

28. Now the state supreme court is democratic controlled, right?

What are the chances they could intervene?

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Response to ColinC (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:25 PM

dsc (51,568 posts)

29. yes we have a 4 to 3 majority

but 1) it will take time and 2) the legislature can pass laws changing how the court is run.

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Response to dsc (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 07:47 PM

FBaggins (25,474 posts)

32. And 3)

Constitutional issues are heard first by a 3-judge panel selected by the chief (R). They could at the very least run the clock out before the 2022 races.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:38 PM

Xolodno (5,595 posts)

9. No.

It took a long time to get away from that method.

And if the GOP ever got wise and ditched the extremist and went full on liberal Republican/Conservative Democrat, they could regain a majority. Then what?

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:41 PM

Casady1 (1,519 posts)

10. We have to make it a national issue

so it can be addressed.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 02:48 PM

NCDem47 (1,935 posts)

15. If the SC says state legislatures can do this...

Then for Dem states, they can and they should. I'm tired of playing around. I'm sure I'll get flamed.

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Response to NCDem47 (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:04 PM

TheRealNorth (7,781 posts)

16. Not from me.

Now is not the time for unilateral disarmament.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:15 PM

Bettie (14,571 posts)

19. Every blue state that can should

gerrymander so hard that the Republicans BEG for a federal solution.

They are already doing it as much as they can and we should not unliterally disarm.

They do it because they don't think Democrats will play the same game they do.

We need to show them that we're done bringing a casserole to a gun fight.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:43 PM

ColinC (7,137 posts)

22. I doubt that would ever happen as GOP will be close to holding most statehouses and state control

for as long as gerrymandering exists.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:38 PM

Zeitghost (2,193 posts)

20. It already is

We were at 46-7 in 2018, fell to 42-11 in 2020. That's 87% and 79% of the seats with only 66% of the votes.

Call it what you want, but the results are the same.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:44 PM

ColinC (7,137 posts)

24. It isn't exactly gerrymandering in the traditional sense though...

This result wasn't orchestrated through a blatantly partisan means, but through a non partisan commission. Supposedly.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:49 PM

Zeitghost (2,193 posts)

25. Like I said

Call it what you want, but when you can take ~90% of the seats with 2/3rds of the vote, it's not an accident. I also happen to live in a red district that has been drawn in a very particular way in order to pick up as many R votes as possible. Which is why Devin Nunes represents the district.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:44 PM

brooklynite (84,446 posts)

23. The Republicans wouldn't complain...

...they'd accept some losses in CA as an excuse to say their actions in TX/AZ/NC/OH/FL are perfectly reasonable.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 04:52 PM

Zeitghost (2,193 posts)

26. I've brought this up in a few threads

On the national level, gerrymandering has had little to no effect. When you factor in small single district states with far fewer voters than most districts, the Republicans have a single seat in the House that they mathematically should not have.

It's a bigger issue at the State level.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:28 PM

RFCalifornia (440 posts)

30. California can't, but maybe NY and IL

But I say go for it

Hell, give NY and IL 0 R districts

Be obvious about it

Fight fire with fire

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:48 PM

jmowreader (48,648 posts)

31. I wish they'd gerrymander Idaho

Right now, the dividing line between ID-1 and ID-2 runs through the city of Meridian, which is in South Idaho…so the representative who covers North Idaho always comes from South Idaho. And there have been times when both of them lived in Meridian.

I want the dividing line between the districts to be Grangeville, which would give us a North Idaho representative and a South Idaho one.

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