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to 50 democratic seats and 5 republican seats. If the republicans complain then it opens up all the gerrymandering they are doing and it becomes a national story. We then reach critical mass.
wryter2000
(47,247 posts)It's a great idea, but we have a citizens redistricting commission to prevent gerrymandering. I think New York can, though.
roamer65
(36,959 posts)wryter2000
(47,247 posts)Any other states we can think of? IL?
roamer65
(36,959 posts)I do believe -3 Rs.
Mordred
(167 posts)Voters First Act which set up the independent redistricting commission. Since passed by statewide prop, it's enshrined in the state constitution and can only be changed by another voter proposition or judicial review.
wryter2000
(47,247 posts)Of course, we pass those propositions like mad, so who knows for the future?
dsc
(52,550 posts)New York is talking about driving the GOP down to 3 seats, while Illinois is talking about possibly going to 2.
Omnipresent
(6,220 posts)dsc
(52,550 posts)where we wind up losing a bunch of seats in close races in a wave election late in the 10 years. In Illinois the 2 seats are downstate and in NY 2 are upstate and 1 on long island (with or without Staten Island). It also runs the risk of making either no or few districts where minorities get their preferred candidates.
Carlitos Brigante
(26,746 posts)the biggest population states currently run by Democrats. I bet you they'd by wailing about how 'unjust' gerrymandering is.
msongs
(69,837 posts)ColinC
(10,278 posts)To make up for the net losses across the rest of the country in what will inevitably be OH and likely FL
dsc
(52,550 posts)we will go from 8 R 5 D to 10 R 4 D.
ColinC
(10,278 posts)In some of the small blue states.
dsc
(52,550 posts)they went for 11R 3D
ColinC
(10,278 posts)Is there a final map -or soon to be final map to see? FWIW NY looks like it could be a 23D-3R map from 19D to 8R.
dsc
(52,550 posts)here the leg does redistricting with no gov veto, so it is the final map in all likelihood.
ColinC
(10,278 posts)What are the chances they could intervene?
dsc
(52,550 posts)but 1) it will take time and 2) the legislature can pass laws changing how the court is run.
Constitutional issues are heard first by a 3-judge panel selected by the chief (R). They could at the very least run the clock out before the 2022 races.
It took a long time to get away from that method.
And if the GOP ever got wise and ditched the extremist and went full on liberal Republican/Conservative Democrat, they could regain a majority. Then what?
Casady1
(2,133 posts)so it can be addressed.
NCDem47
(2,516 posts)Then for Dem states, they can and they should. I'm tired of playing around. I'm sure I'll get flamed.
TheRealNorth
(9,628 posts)Now is not the time for unilateral disarmament.
Bettie
(16,835 posts)gerrymander so hard that the Republicans BEG for a federal solution.
They are already doing it as much as they can and we should not unliterally disarm.
They do it because they don't think Democrats will play the same game they do.
We need to show them that we're done bringing a casserole to a gun fight.
ColinC
(10,278 posts)for as long as gerrymandering exists.
Zeitghost
(4,259 posts)We were at 46-7 in 2018, fell to 42-11 in 2020. That's 87% and 79% of the seats with only 66% of the votes.
Call it what you want, but the results are the same.
ColinC
(10,278 posts)This result wasn't orchestrated through a blatantly partisan means, but through a non partisan commission. Supposedly.
Zeitghost
(4,259 posts)Call it what you want, but when you can take ~90% of the seats with 2/3rds of the vote, it's not an accident. I also happen to live in a red district that has been drawn in a very particular way in order to pick up as many R votes as possible. Which is why Devin Nunes represents the district.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...they'd accept some losses in CA as an excuse to say their actions in TX/AZ/NC/OH/FL are perfectly reasonable.
Zeitghost
(4,259 posts)On the national level, gerrymandering has had little to no effect. When you factor in small single district states with far fewer voters than most districts, the Republicans have a single seat in the House that they mathematically should not have.
It's a bigger issue at the State level.
RFCalifornia
(440 posts)But I say go for it
Hell, give NY and IL 0 R districts
Be obvious about it
Fight fire with fire
jmowreader
(51,292 posts)Right now, the dividing line between ID-1 and ID-2 runs through the city of Meridian, which is in South Idaho
so the representative who covers North Idaho always comes from South Idaho. And there have been times when both of them lived in Meridian.
I want the dividing line between the districts to be Grangeville, which would give us a North Idaho representative and a South Idaho one.