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gerrymander California (Original Post) Casady1 Oct 2021 OP
Can't, sorry wryter2000 Oct 2021 #1
New York can definitely do it. roamer65 Oct 2021 #2
And needs to wryter2000 Oct 2021 #12
IL is doing it. roamer65 Oct 2021 #33
Prop 11 in 2008 Mordred Oct 2021 #8
Welcome to DU wryter2000 Oct 2021 #11
New York and Illinois can and appear to be doing so dsc Oct 2021 #3
I like the number 0 for Illinois and New York, myself! Omnipresent Oct 2021 #5
Potentially doable but very risky to become a dummy mander dsc Oct 2021 #13
I wonder how open 'Pukes would be for discussions after we do it 10 times worse to them within Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #4
redistricting commissions are just waving the white flag nt msongs Oct 2021 #6
Can't but bt IL and NY maybe a net gain of 10 ColinC Oct 2021 #7
NC will be bad dsc Oct 2021 #14
Yeah on top of losing one or two in each small red state but making up for them ColinC Oct 2021 #17
actually it is worse dsc Oct 2021 #18
Not surprising. ColinC Oct 2021 #21
they released a finalish map to be commented upon dsc Oct 2021 #27
Now the state supreme court is democratic controlled, right? ColinC Oct 2021 #28
yes we have a 4 to 3 majority dsc Oct 2021 #29
And 3) FBaggins Oct 2021 #32
No. Xolodno Oct 2021 #9
We have to make it a national issue Casady1 Oct 2021 #10
If the SC says state legislatures can do this... NCDem47 Oct 2021 #15
Not from me. TheRealNorth Oct 2021 #16
Every blue state that can should Bettie Oct 2021 #19
I doubt that would ever happen as GOP will be close to holding most statehouses and state control ColinC Oct 2021 #22
It already is Zeitghost Oct 2021 #20
It isn't exactly gerrymandering in the traditional sense though... ColinC Oct 2021 #24
Like I said Zeitghost Oct 2021 #25
The Republicans wouldn't complain... brooklynite Oct 2021 #23
I've brought this up in a few threads Zeitghost Oct 2021 #26
California can't, but maybe NY and IL RFCalifornia Oct 2021 #30
I wish they'd gerrymander Idaho jmowreader Oct 2021 #31

wryter2000

(46,630 posts)
1. Can't, sorry
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:16 PM
Oct 2021

It's a great idea, but we have a citizens redistricting commission to prevent gerrymandering. I think New York can, though.

Mordred

(161 posts)
8. Prop 11 in 2008
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:34 PM
Oct 2021

Voters First Act which set up the independent redistricting commission. Since passed by statewide prop, it's enshrined in the state constitution and can only be changed by another voter proposition or judicial review.

dsc

(52,264 posts)
3. New York and Illinois can and appear to be doing so
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:19 PM
Oct 2021

New York is talking about driving the GOP down to 3 seats, while Illinois is talking about possibly going to 2.

dsc

(52,264 posts)
13. Potentially doable but very risky to become a dummy mander
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:47 PM
Oct 2021

where we wind up losing a bunch of seats in close races in a wave election late in the 10 years. In Illinois the 2 seats are downstate and in NY 2 are upstate and 1 on long island (with or without Staten Island). It also runs the risk of making either no or few districts where minorities get their preferred candidates.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,549 posts)
4. I wonder how open 'Pukes would be for discussions after we do it 10 times worse to them within
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:22 PM
Oct 2021

the biggest population states currently run by Democrats. I bet you they'd by wailing about how 'unjust' gerrymandering is.

ColinC

(8,811 posts)
7. Can't but bt IL and NY maybe a net gain of 10
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:28 PM
Oct 2021

To make up for the net losses across the rest of the country in what will inevitably be OH and likely FL

ColinC

(8,811 posts)
17. Yeah on top of losing one or two in each small red state but making up for them
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:12 PM
Oct 2021

In some of the small blue states.

ColinC

(8,811 posts)
21. Not surprising.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:40 PM
Oct 2021

Is there a final map -or soon to be final map to see? FWIW NY looks like it could be a 23D-3R map from 19D to 8R.

dsc

(52,264 posts)
27. they released a finalish map to be commented upon
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:57 PM
Oct 2021

here the leg does redistricting with no gov veto, so it is the final map in all likelihood.

ColinC

(8,811 posts)
28. Now the state supreme court is democratic controlled, right?
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:07 PM
Oct 2021

What are the chances they could intervene?

dsc

(52,264 posts)
29. yes we have a 4 to 3 majority
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:25 PM
Oct 2021

but 1) it will take time and 2) the legislature can pass laws changing how the court is run.

FBaggins

(27,211 posts)
32. And 3)
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 08:47 PM
Oct 2021

Constitutional issues are heard first by a 3-judge panel selected by the chief (R). They could at the very least run the clock out before the 2022 races.

Xolodno

(6,497 posts)
9. No.
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:38 PM
Oct 2021

It took a long time to get away from that method.

And if the GOP ever got wise and ditched the extremist and went full on liberal Republican/Conservative Democrat, they could regain a majority. Then what?

NCDem47

(2,290 posts)
15. If the SC says state legislatures can do this...
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 03:48 PM
Oct 2021

Then for Dem states, they can and they should. I'm tired of playing around. I'm sure I'll get flamed.

Bettie

(16,447 posts)
19. Every blue state that can should
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:15 PM
Oct 2021

gerrymander so hard that the Republicans BEG for a federal solution.

They are already doing it as much as they can and we should not unliterally disarm.

They do it because they don't think Democrats will play the same game they do.

We need to show them that we're done bringing a casserole to a gun fight.

ColinC

(8,811 posts)
22. I doubt that would ever happen as GOP will be close to holding most statehouses and state control
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:43 PM
Oct 2021

for as long as gerrymandering exists.

Zeitghost

(4,052 posts)
20. It already is
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:38 PM
Oct 2021

We were at 46-7 in 2018, fell to 42-11 in 2020. That's 87% and 79% of the seats with only 66% of the votes.


Call it what you want, but the results are the same.

ColinC

(8,811 posts)
24. It isn't exactly gerrymandering in the traditional sense though...
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:44 PM
Oct 2021

This result wasn't orchestrated through a blatantly partisan means, but through a non partisan commission. Supposedly.

Zeitghost

(4,052 posts)
25. Like I said
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:49 PM
Oct 2021

Call it what you want, but when you can take ~90% of the seats with 2/3rds of the vote, it's not an accident. I also happen to live in a red district that has been drawn in a very particular way in order to pick up as many R votes as possible. Which is why Devin Nunes represents the district.

brooklynite

(96,526 posts)
23. The Republicans wouldn't complain...
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:44 PM
Oct 2021

...they'd accept some losses in CA as an excuse to say their actions in TX/AZ/NC/OH/FL are perfectly reasonable.

Zeitghost

(4,052 posts)
26. I've brought this up in a few threads
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 05:52 PM
Oct 2021

On the national level, gerrymandering has had little to no effect. When you factor in small single district states with far fewer voters than most districts, the Republicans have a single seat in the House that they mathematically should not have.

It's a bigger issue at the State level.

RFCalifornia

(440 posts)
30. California can't, but maybe NY and IL
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:28 PM
Oct 2021

But I say go for it

Hell, give NY and IL 0 R districts

Be obvious about it

Fight fire with fire

jmowreader

(50,806 posts)
31. I wish they'd gerrymander Idaho
Tue Oct 26, 2021, 06:48 PM
Oct 2021

Right now, the dividing line between ID-1 and ID-2 runs through the city of Meridian, which is in South Idaho…so the representative who covers North Idaho always comes from South Idaho. And there have been times when both of them lived in Meridian.

I want the dividing line between the districts to be Grangeville, which would give us a North Idaho representative and a South Idaho one.

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