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(54,770 posts)
1. Definitely. Although there is some incentive to GOTV when it's close or cost
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 11:19 PM
Oct 2021

of losing — because of complacency— is too high. The latter is often the case, nowadays.

Vote, we Win.


(14,895 posts)
2. Has that ever been empirically validated?
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 11:24 PM
Oct 2021

I certainly hear a lot of "concern" expressed over saying anything that might be discouraging, but I don't know if it's backed by evidence or not.


(35,177 posts)
4. Totally
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 04:02 AM
Oct 2021

It boggles the mind how negative some are.

“He’ll never be prosecuted.” Why not just say you are a cynic beaten down by life and let it go at that?

But no, they have to express their negative thoughts in the form of predictions. I often ask how qualified they are to be a psychic.

Often enough, it’s the same ones all the time.


(36,040 posts)
6. I don't think many are as doomy as they claim to be by their lack of action.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 05:31 AM
Oct 2021

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If I really thought that our democracy was going to be taken over by fascists, I'd be off the internet. as far as discussing politics and current events is concerned, and gone to ground so to speak. I wouldn't leaving evidence on the internet that I was a "Commie" and in the real world, I'd keep my opinions to myself. I'd do the same thing if I seriously thought there was a civil war coming.

Leaving the country isn't an option as my wife wouldn't go because of family. Besides, we also don't have the resources to emigrate to a 1st world nation and those we could afford to live in have some serious negatives. It'd be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

It's possible some truly think our government is going to be overthrown or a civil war will happen but they conclude that the impact on their real world lives will be negligible so there is no reason to change their behavior in order to prepare.

In the meantime, I vote in every election and donate to candidates when I can. Actions I've done for decades.


(90,152 posts)
5. Facts are not voter suppression, you can't out organize vote denial and nullification laws and
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 05:01 AM
Oct 2021

... the fact that only 64% of democrats believe that is a problem is ... a problem.


(50,423 posts)
8. People told me I was a gruesome doom poster and had
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 07:52 AM
Oct 2021

Stockholm Syndrome when I posted that we would have a lot more than the 70,000 deaths from covid that were projected at the time.

Sometimes one person's "doom post" is another's "observation of obvious facts."


(36,040 posts)
13. Back in Jan 2020, some people got on my case about getting prepared for the new illness
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 11:26 AM
Oct 2021

An example:

"So promoting hysteria over this virus, when Americans won't even take basic precautions against the most serious and threatening virus circulating currently is hardly the most responsible protection message."

The poster was talking about the flu being the most serious and threatening virus currently circulating.

Another comment made to me:

"So is an actual outbreak of flu in your own country less important

than an outbreak in another country that has killed fewer people?"

And another :

"No problem where I live,

DU hysteria is always fun."



(24,857 posts)
10. It is.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 08:49 AM
Oct 2021

Doom message: Democrats control the government but don't get anything done because they don't want to. Both sides. Don't vote.

At least these days, for a refreshing change, there are two actual names for the "corporate Dems" "neoliberals" "beholden to Big ___" "corrupt" "establishment" "centrist/moderate" attacks on the whole party. I've asked many times about who that was about and never got answers. Finally, two names!


(13,129 posts)
11. Voting is mandatory. It's self-mandated when we decide to support the left.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 11:03 AM
Oct 2021

There will be attempts at voter suppression by the right, of course. There are people on the left who will help the right magnify the effect by wailing and doom posting. They don't matter, because the decision to vote is made. It's self-mandatory. There are no "factors to consider." There is no dependency on inspiration from anyone. There is no capitulation to suppressors. There are no excuses.


(8,685 posts)
12. Conversely, Tinkerbellism isn't particularly great, either.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 11:07 AM
Oct 2021

Because then once you lose, it's such a surprise. "How did this happen?!"


(70,273 posts)
15. An example today: An a-hole Matt LEWIS from Daily Beast
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 12:27 PM
Oct 2021

First thing this A.M. was a detestable headline about BIDEN. I won't link it here. I'd never heard of "Matt LEWIS." It was under Yahoo News, which gave the impression of being a News item, whereas it turned out to be a Wingnut Opinion piece of crap.

The *impact* of just the headline is devastating/demoralizing. Most of those who see it don't Google or pursue to find out its slant.

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