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NBC News Election Expert Chuck Todd: Voting Machine Concerns are 'Conspiracy Garbage'A few questions for the popular pundit that may help better educate both him and the nation's electorate...
This morning, NBC News' top election expert, Chuck Todd, tweeted: "The voting machine conspiracies belong in same category as the Trump birther garbage."
Todd was responding, no doubt, to the many folks who have been justifiably concerned of late, since it was discovered that a bunch of Bain Capital investors, led by Mitt Romney's son Tagg, via a company called H.I.G. Capital (believed to stand for Hart Intercivic Group) took over control of Hart Intercivic, the nation's third largest voting machine company, in 2011.
The Austin-based Hart company, according to VerifiedVoting.org's database, supplies electronic voting machines and paper ballot tabulators that will be used to tally votes in the Presidential Election this year in all or parts of California, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Washington.
I offered my point of view about those concerns earlier this month, explaining that it was not just the private ownership of Hart's machines by Romney backers which voters should be concerned about, but the private ownership of the similar systems in all fifty states that will once again be used to tabulate the results of this year's Presidential Election with little --- and very often zero --- possibility of oversight by the public or even by election officials.
Todd does an extraordinary disservice to the electorate with Tweets like the one above, and I'd be happy to come on his daily MSNBC show any time to explain why, as I have told him via Twitter in response to the above.
As Todd has not responded in kind, and to expand upon my response to Todd there, I'd like to ask him these few respectful questions...
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9651
kimbutgar
(21,137 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)brooklynite
(94,525 posts)Do you see the flaw in this argument?
sadbear
(4,340 posts)If he says something, the opposite's more than likely true.
We now have legitimate reason to be concerned about voting machines.
Sebass1271
(2,332 posts)So he sees how a liar we all think he is
City Lights
(25,171 posts)So full of corporate bullshit it's oozing out his ears.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)LOVE the snapshot of Dave...I've had a nearly life-long crush on Mr. Gilmour
"Dark Side of the Moon" was the first album I ever bought -- with my babysitting money at age 12.
Thanks for the tingle
City Lights
(25,171 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)I certainly don't.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)and explain why it's conspiracy garbage...
Romney Family Investment Ties To Voting Machine Company That Could Decide The Election Causing Concern
. . .
It turns out that Hart Intercivic is owned, in large part, by H.I.G. Capitala large investment fund with billions of dollars under managementthat was founded by a fellow named Tony Tamer. While nobody is clear just how much H.I.G. owns of Hart Intercivic, we do learn that H.I.G. employees hold at least two of the five Hart Intercivic board seats.
A little more digging turns up a few tidbits of data than soon become the story.
Tony Tamer, H.I.G.s founder, turns out to be a major bundler for the Mitt Romney campaign, along with three other directors of H.I.G. who are also big-time money raisers for Romney.
Indeed, as fate would have it, two of those directors, Douglas Berman and Brian Schwartz, were actually in attendance at the now infamous 47 percent fundraiser in Boca Raton, Florida.
With that news, voters everywhere start to get this queasy feeling in the pits of their stomach.
But waitif youre feeling a bit ill now, youll want to get the anti-acids ready to go because its about get really strange.
To everyones amazement, we learn that two members of the Hart Intercivic board of directors, Neil Tuch and Jeff Bohl, have made direct contributions to the Romney campaign. This, despite the fact that they represent 40 percent of the full board of directors of a company whose independent, disinterested and studiously non-partisan status in any election taking place on their voting machines would seemingly be a no brainer.
. . .
MUCH more:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/20/romney-family-investment-ties-to-voting-machine-company-that-could-decide-the-election-causes-concern/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021590760
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)If he feels the need to deny it, there probably something to it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)If Olbermann can be ousted, and Shuster, Todd can be ousted.
It won't happen right now, but perhaps it can be one of our goals post-election.
sandyshoes17
(657 posts)They are all ignoring this story, about Taggs connection to this. It needs to be brought out into the conversation.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)is already in the bag for Romney. It's hard for me to believe that Romney who was 5 points behind with likely voters could magically be tied with Obama overnight. I'm sorry, but people don't change their minds that quick! Then you get stories about Romney ties with this company that tally votes. . .
one_voice
(20,043 posts)at MSNBC when we want to lodge a complaint?
How dare he dismiss this like that. They've had every kind of birther on multiple shows and continue to do so. They continue to have that ass clown Sununu on their network. No we should have our say on this.
Who do we contact, I'd like to give them a piece of my mind.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)The other side (in this case the GOP) has direct control over the counting of votes by ownership of the machines. The Democrats don't control birth certificate production as far as I am aware.
JSK
(1,123 posts)xfundy
(5,105 posts)that the vote is too important to be left up to anyone other than the GOVERNMENT. But no, since the machines usually show victories for repigs, why mess with a good thing?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Just another Bananna Republic creeping north. I mean, just that the Romneys own a few voting machines and got their "money stake" down South ... as in South America ... nothing to get worked up about. Not.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)They were here in 2004, too.
The only thing they will produce is a wishy washy report which every one will just laugh at.
Been there. Done that.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)...and I am glad the NAACP thinks so.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)But you really should look up the 2004 report, because it's going to mean nothing in terms of fighting these machines.
And, yes, we had the NAACP with us, and the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, Rainbow Push and everyone else we could think of.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I don't think it helps so much in fighting the machines. I think it helps prevent blatant acts of suppression and works as a deterrent to that. We need all the witnesses we can get.
The machines are another matter.
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)inamatteroftime
(135 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I believe we need to pay even more attention to it.
Oh and Chuck let's take your word at face value for a second, they are nuttery... the mere perception that the son of one Candidate owns these machines or has a substantial interest is enough to raise questions of .... conflict of interest.
There used to be a time when pols did not even let these perceptions be raised.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Now this frog is a plaque on our media and the US people
amborin
(16,631 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)he fellates Conventional Wisdom for a living.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)porphyrian
(18,530 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)68 Rex
(81 posts)Johonny
(20,842 posts)on the other hand they covered the birth certificate thing constantly until Obama finally showed the damn long form. I mean the birth certificate is a joke because the media looked into it found proof it wasn't true. The voting machines... clear conflict of interest having your son control voting machine companies in your election. The media dismisses it without even trying to see if there is anything of interest. Why? because they are lazy.
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)n/t
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)I know.. superficial, but I HATE that look. It's like code or something.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Very unprofessional Todd, to spout off without facts.
catbyte
(34,376 posts)OK?
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)"Journalist"
kentuck
(111,089 posts)Trust but verify. Chuck Todd, how do know what is "garbage" and what is not? That is just your uneducated opinion. Maybe you are right but citizens still have the right to know their vote can be validated and not dependent upon any computer owned by anyone, especially someone that has a vested interest in the election.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)PD Turk
(1,289 posts)My dad had a little saying he was fond of regarding "experts". He'd say "an ex is a has been and a spurt is a little drip that didn't quite make it". Sums up Chuckie nicely I think.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)mechanisms:
http://www.charlierose.com/guest/view/7559
She says you can have voting machines (and she is highly suspicious of the poor quality and hackability of many derivatives of Diebold) but the American people should demand paper backup.
glinda
(14,807 posts)spanone
(135,831 posts)Z_I_Peevey
(2,783 posts)to the list too. He says concerns about voting machines hurt OUR credibility. Expect the numbers of mainstream journalists pooh-poohing this very real threat to grow as the issue gains traction. It's a handy test of character as far as I'm concerned.
It is insane to defend a political candidate's family having any ownership stake in voting machines. Utterly insane. Especially a candidate from a party that is currently using every known method of cheating, right out in the open.
condoleeza
(814 posts)Actually don't know who "Think Progress.org" is, but they've been pretty anti-Romney thus far and maybe they have a point here.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)...while consigning Forbes to the "liberal blogosphere" for reporting on it.
Which is really really really really funny.
ThinkProgress Fail.
And I like them a lot, too.
*sigh*
IDemo
(16,926 posts)That's a pretty big envelope to toss in the garbage with no further inspection of the contents.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)yes INDEED
Chuck Todd is a turd through and through.
I really appreciate his condescension, too.
So, Chuck. Here's some coincidence soup for your bonnet:
The Suspicious, Disturbing Death of Election Rigger Michael Connell
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Hardly a surprise - wouldn't you say?
davekriss
(4,616 posts)The sooner he disappears from MSNBC, the better.
Initech
(100,068 posts)Sybildisobedience
(10 posts)If the corporate media refuses to take this seriously and people like chuck Todd refuse to even believe that this could be a legitimate issue, then the social media universe has to pick up the slack and humiliate Todd and others into at least acknowledging their cowardice.
At the very least, they'll know we know that they are gutless corporate whores. They'll know they didn't fool everyone.
I'm proud of all those who are tearing Todd up on twitter.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I do NOT care that Tagg of the Romney Family owns some voting machines.
The OUTRAGE is that ANYBODY "owns" voting machines,
and THAT outrage has been marginalized for over 10 years.
I would be just as outraged if Michele Obama owned the voting machines.
The bi-partisan decision to Privatize the machinery that
records, tabulates, and reports the vote in America [font size=4] is an insult to every American[/font]
AND a Serious THREAT to our democracy.
This alone should have American Citizens carrying Pitch Forks, Tar & Feathers, and Torches marching in the streets 10 years ago.
Where have all the flowers gone?
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)What an embarrassment to the network
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)His chin looks suspiciously like my crotch.