9th grader in Loudoun county VA.

[gojoe12]

supposedly some girl was raped in the girls room. I don't know what to make of this. Didn't anyone hear her screams? Why would anyone cover such a thing up?
Why would they arrest her father?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10083783/Loudoun-County-father-arrested-school-meeting-says-daughter-raped-boy-girls-bathroom.html

A Virginia father who went viral after being dragged out of a Loudoun County school board meeting and arrested for protesting its proposed transgender policies has now revealed he was trying to tell the room that his daughter had been raped by a boy at school in the girls' bathroom.

[Walleye]

1. So he's saying that a boy dressed up like a girl to get into the restroom and rape a girl?

Sounds like a complete lie to me. I think they don’t even know when they’re lying anymore

[forthemiddle]

2. According to a local news station an arrest had been made

https://wjla.com/news/local/scott-smith-alleged-sexual-assault-loudoun-county-public-school-board-stanley-law-group-of-virginia-lawsuit

This all happened in May and June. The Dad is now claiming the administration had him arrested while he was trying to bring it up during the school board meeting.

[Walleye]

3. I don't really don't doubt it happened.I just don't think boys need to dress up like girls to get in

And I really don’t think transgender students are more likely to commit assault. There are plenty of places in school we’re girls can get raped and assaulted that aren’t bathrooms. The right wing deliberately fails to understand what rape is and how it happens. Maybe they should look to their own misogynistic ways

[LisaL]

4. Which one is it?

" I don't really doubt it happened" or "sounds like a complete lie to me."

[gojoe12]

5. If you continue to read

apparently they moved the male (who I don't think is transgender) to another school and he raped a girl there to.

[LisaL]

9. He/she identifies as "gender fluid."

NT

[forthemiddle]

8. It seems the Dad is more angry with the school board

Because after it happened, they transferred the boy to another school where he assaulted another student.
Even if he’s right wing, I think any parent would be upset.

[LisaL]

10. Also it appears they refused to report it to the police.

Aren't they mandatory reporters?

[janterry]

19. Of course not. Self-id means that you feel that you are trans-identified

You don't need to dress in stereotypical clothes of the opposite sex.

That's literally what it means.

[haele]

7. Gender on the bathroom door won't stop a boy from walking in

Shit for brains boys and boy men have followed girls and women into the bathrooms ever since they had separate gendered spaces. No cross-dressing needed.
The only way to stop this sort of thing is to have attendants until all the students are gone.
And even that isn't enough to stop boys and other girls -or staff or teachers - from sexually assaulting others in the bathroom.

Haele

[Walleye]

21. Thanks. That's what I was trying to say

[mahatmakanejeeves]

6. More about this:

Thu Oct 14, 2021: Loudoun County student accused in sexual assaults at two county schools, sparking outrage from paren

[gojoe12]

13. thanks for that

is there a way before we post to check to see if someone already post it?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

14. Not really. Supposedly DU has a search engine, but it misses more than it finds.

You have to know that the thread is in place and use the exact words to find it. I knew the thread was there, because I have a post in it. Also, I've been paying attention to the story in the local news.

Right now, it's complicated. A juvenile is involved, so only so much can be made public.

The thread in the Virginia group is focusing on local sources.

HTH.

[CrackityJones75]

33. LOL...

That’s the oldest ask in the history of internet forums.

[Celerity]

11. of course the Daily Heil has to use this :

dragged out of woke school board meeting

[LisaL]

12. Not woke enough if they didn't report sexual assault to the police.

NT

[janterry]

16. The teen has been charged for BOTH assaults

NT

[LisaL]

18. Did I say that he wasn't?

The OP article claims the school refused to report the first sexual assault to the police.
But some months later he was charged in her case.

[canetoad]

41. I'm sure the Daily Mail

Pays junior reporters a bounty each time they shoehorn the word 'woke' into a headline.

[Celerity]

43. double autographed pic

[tulipsandroses]

15. What happened to his daughter is horrific! But I hope they don't use her trauma

for bigoted political gain. There seems to be 2 accounts about the perpetrator. One report I read said he sexually assaulted another student at one school and was transferred to another where he again assaulted another student. Another report said that police have not revealed that it was the same student in both attacks. If it is the same boy, there should be hell to pay by the people who allowed the transfer.

As it’s been said before, boys and men have followed girls and women into bathrooms. Stopping trans kids from using the bathroom won’t stop a rapist. It further fuels the nonsense of painting LGBTQ people as pedophiles and rapists.

I’d like to know if the perpetrator was really wearing a skirt or is this a rumor being fueled by right wing lies.
Furthermore, wearing a skirt doesn’t make you trans!
The real story here is the sexual assaults of these 2 young girls and whether the school allowed the perpetrator to transfer to another school after the first assault.

[janterry]

17. The teen has been charged with both assaults

NT

[tulipsandroses]

25. Thanks for the update

The real issue here (other than the trauma to these girls)is the negligence of whomever allowed the transfer.

[LeftInTX]

26. I believe the perp may have feminine looking enough to get into the girl's restroom without drawing

Last edited Sun Oct 17, 2021, 02:48 PM - Edit history (1)

attention to him/herself. Most transgender youth do not wear skirts. So, I gotta wonder if perp was really wearing a skirt or if this is some BS. Maybe he was a small framed guy and wasn't even gender fluid? It's the parents who are saying the perp was "gender fluid"...There is no official statement from the school about the student's sexual identity in any of the article. A straight guy wearing a skirt just to get into the girls bathroom would be superweird.


It was the same student in both cases. The student was released from juvenile detention and was being monitored electronically. The second assault took place in an empty classroom. There is no indication that a bathroom was involved in the second assault.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/loudoun-schools-sex-assault-allegations/2021/10/13/02d3f144-2c61-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html

[LakeArenal]

20. Rape is not about body parts. It's power and brutality.

[janterry]

22. Rape is almost always committed by male bodied people

Overwhelmingly so.

[Ms. Toad]

23. male bodied people who identify as male. n/t

[janterry]

24. Small gamete producers commit most rape NT

nt

[Ms. Toad]

27. You are still fueling/supporting the right wing fearmongering

that trans women are a significant rape threat. They are not.

The vast majority of people who rape identify as male. Trans women, including those who have pensises and testes, rape no more than women do.

Please stop propogating the bigotry and unrealistic fear the right wing idiots are tryng to drum up against trans women.

[janterry]

29. Statistics and data matter

You can't just fudge that to satisfy your own bias.

In the prisons, from the limited data we have (all in UK), trans-identified people (MtF) do, in fact, commit sexual assault at very high rates compared to the general population of women. Though, they do not do so more than natal men in the mens prison.

That's considered parallel data - so not precisely what we would need to make the assertion you make

I await good data from the US. But sadly, I don't expect it

[Ms. Toad]

30. It is hardly appropriate to compare prison populations

to populations outside of prisons. People in prison are more inclined to be violent than the average population. Trans women are often not allowed be medically treated, which means they have higher than the average testosterone, which increases the propensity for anger/rage). Finally, trans women are subjected to considerably more violent attacks than cis women - and one way in the insular population of a prison to prevent attacks is to take the offensive/assert dominance.

[janterry]

31. No, it's not good data. I wish we had good data in the US

We don't have it. Even the violence prevalence data in this country is horrible (the data collection doesn't discern anything about why someone was the victim). I've seen data grouped together from developing countries (with the US) - as though you can draw stats that way

and I've even seen murder stats (here in the US) that are skewed (I looked up a few. One very psychotic mother, for instance, killed her trans-child and her not tran-child because of psychosis - and absolutely said so - it had nothing to do with their identity status). And yet that was grouped in statistically.

It's a mess. I do suspect that trans-identified people do face more violence (I certainly do). I wish the data was reliable to back up that assertion.

I don't know what testosterone has to do with anything. Many trans-identified people do not use cross-sex hormones. In fact, it is increasingly common.

[Ms. Toad]

34. The individuals I've spoken with - especially

when they start T, or T suppression therapy, have talked to me about increased aggresson/anger and sex trive (T), and calmness, being at peace (T suppression). I had extensive interactions wtih both my foster son (trans man) and high school sweetheart (trans women) both pre-hormone therapy and post. They aren't the only trans individuals I've spoken with - but both talk about testosterone in similar ways.

Not only did both of them talk wth meabout their experiences, there were observable changes in both of them. My foster son, in particular, was extremely uncomfortable - and has had to make a lot of emotional adjustments to the T-induced changes (which included violence against his wife) and learning to control emotions he had never experienced before. My high school sweetheart had a much easier adjustment - and refers to the pre-suppression period as testosterone poisoning. She is so much happier and that part of her adjustment was very easy. (Both are happier post-transition - but the introduction of T for my foster son was much more jarring.)

I think the data is pretty clear about the increased level violence directed at trans individuals, particularly transwomen, or genderqueeer or nonbinary individuals who are perceived as female bodied but who have masculine appearing features, and especially black trans women.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

28. Too bad that Kaitlyn Jenner wasn't in there.

She probably could've stopped the rape.

[Sympthsical]

32. The school board is in deep because they covered it up

This is where it gets messy. The school board was meeting and discussing transgender policy. The alleged rapist identifies as gender fluid and sometimes wears women's clothes.

The school board was directly asked if there had ever been an assault stemming from someone in an opposite sex bathroom. They said no. This was after they were well aware of what happened. They directly lied to parents, because they figured it would endanger their transgender policy.

It got messier. It turns out the school/board were not reporting assaults to the state, which they are required to do by law.

And man, the egg on some people's faces who passed around the video of the father to mock him and use him as an example of crazed right-wingers.

His daughter was allegedly raped. Then an activist at the meeting told the father to his face they didn't believe his daughter, even though the alleged perpetrator had already been arrested and charged. Of course he went full apeshit at them. Taunting a father when his daughter was allegedly raped? Good job, activist!

And charges are still being pursued against the father who is now suing the shit out of everyone involved.

Defending any part of this will not be a good look. This story is all over the internet on the Right. People are hella pissed. Hell, I'm pissed. The school board went out of their way to not protect the students when they held this knowledge of the alleged assailant, and he went on to assault another young woman.

Sue like the wind. Can them all. One has already resigned, but she was already under heavy fire from the Right for the usual CRT bullshit.

The whole situation is totally mind-blowing.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

35. That's HORRIBLE!

I knew nothing about that story until coming across this thread.

I'll likewise assume that the courts will sort out the mess and punish the people involved in a cover-up.

[LisaL]

36. As far as I can tell, teachers are mandatory reporters.

That they didn't report should presumably get them in trouble.

[Sympthsical]

37. Law enforcement was involved

The police were brought in. Not sure by whom. But when asked point blank if any assaults had occurred, the superintendent and the board lied to parents. And the transfer of the alleged rapist to another school just baffles.

The father's lawsuit lays out a lot of details, and they are some doozies.

It all needs to be played out in court, but if even half of what he claims in the lawsuit is true, none of those people should have jobs.

[LisaL]

39. Daily Mail article claims police was called not to inform about the rape allegations, but to report

her father for making a scene.

[Sympthsical]

40. I looked into other sources for more context

The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office attempted to clarify the reports, but said it was “limited as to what information can be released” because the case is ongoing.

“There has been misinformation circulating regarding an investigation into a reported sexual assault that occurred on May 28, 2021, at Stone Bridge High School in Ashburn, VA,” the Sheriff’s Office said in a press release.

“On May 28, 2021, an LCSO School Resource Officer was notified by Stone Bridge High School staff of a possible sexual assault,” the Sheriff’s Office stated. “A thorough investigation and evidentiary analysis was conducted over the course of several weeks,” leading to the July 8 arrest of a 14-year-old suspect.

https://news.yahoo.com/loudoun-county-school-board-member-200833596.html

It's not super clear when law enforcement were notified, but if the suspect was arrested July 8th, and they'd been investigating for several weeks, someone must have brought them in. The school board meeting where they lied and the father was arrested was June 22nd.

So everyone knew, and my guess based on available info was that LE were working on it by then. But yeah, I've not seen an exact date when LE was initially notified. It kinda sounds like they were alerted pretty quickly.

[ripcord]

38. I will be interested in seeing how this unfolds

If the father is right not only should he succeed in his lawsuit but some people might be seeing some jail time. When I worked at a school in the 90s we were told to report any abuse to the principal and he would report it to the police and the school district, if the principal failed to report the incident we were to report it to the police and the principal to the school district.

[onenote]

42. Detailed story in Washington Post --

The Daily Mail article is, to say the least, incomplete.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/loudoun-virginia-school-assault-apology/2021/10/15/10853e8e-2ddc-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html