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(17,988 posts)If Schumer could get a couple of Republicans to go along with him he could win. I am inclined to think a few Republicans care more about their country than evil, despised McConnell. He is the most worthless piece of humanist to ever be in the Senate, let alone a leader.
There are 7 Republicans retiring. Do they want their last vote to send the Country into bankruptcy?
Maine Abu El Banat
(3,479 posts)I think that's just what they want.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)No point fantasizing about getting a few of their votes.
Best we can hope for is a sufficiently large bribe to get the votes of SineManchin.
OrangeJoe
(345 posts)Wishing and hoping for Republicans to do the right thing or imagining that they care about decency and honor is a fool's errand. They don't care about anything but pleasing their base and stepping into well paid gigs after they retire.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)I definitely wonder who that could be. McConnell said he'll have NO defections, and that he nor any other GQP'ers will work with Biden. We'll see soon enough.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)You can take Mittens Robbedme off that list of GQP'ers who care more about country than about this huge debt that they ran up. ALL GQP'ers are evil in some way or another.
It's their debt that ran up the deficit with those massive tax cuts for the rich, but they don't want to ever pay for them. Yet, Dems are always in the position of having to bargain away anything they might want to do which would benefit the whole of the country. I guess something's better than nothing. Not really but I'm sure I'll hear that eventually 😑
Link to tweet
Celerity
(43,498 posts)the Executive Calendar (unlike like the judicial and executive branch nomination exceptions from the 2 previous mini-nukes).
I have seen many Constitutional lawyers and experts say that the reason Manchin and Sinema are loathe to weaken/do exceptions for the filibuster on the Legislative Calendar is that once that precedent is breached, then it is likely that Schumer can invoke regular business for anything he wants on the Legislative Calendar (which is fucking great, BUT it takes away Manchinemas' excuse/fall-back position that they are NOT necessarily voting against Dem introduced bills, but simply claim they are powerless due to the filibustering of said bills).
Those two obstructionists use the fillister as a crutch, a built-in excuse and shield.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Did just that. It is called, The Nuclear Option.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/fixing-senate-filibuster
https://www.brookings.edu/research/fiilibuster-reform-is-coming-heres-how/
Celerity
(43,498 posts)Re read what I posted to see this.
Slammer
(714 posts)Yeah, my first thought was to do it the way Bill suggests but since those two Democrats, and perhaps others, wouldn't go along...there's no advantage to trying it.
And a lot of disadvantage to trying it since it'd encourage the Republicans to do the same thing the next time they're in power.
OrangeJoe
(345 posts)They will do what is needed to pass their agenda or block the Democrats. They do not worry at all about anything else. My guess that if they retake the Senate in 2022 McConnell will block any Supreme Court nomination that may come up until they get a Republican President even if it takes a decade.
calimary
(81,466 posts)In the long run, few will care HOW they got it done. All that will matter for now, later, and the history books is THAT they got it done.
I wish OUR team would start being more ruthless and cutthroat. In this poisoned climate, politically as well as ecologically, thats just about the only way to get ANYTHING done anymore. The opposition sure would.
W. W. R. D.
What Would Republicans Do?
One other little bit of psychology here: the bad guys really wouldnt be expecting it. They wouldnt see it coming. All theyve seen consistently is our behavior pattern of being nice and conciliatory and the whole kumbaya let-me-please-be-your-doormat thing. So if we DONT, and WE do something calculated and ruthless, theyll be knocked off their game.
It might even be fun to push like that a second time. They still may assume we just got lucky and are really still a pile of push-overs. But in the meantime, well have gotten something REALLY punchy done and signed into law by President Biden. Something like voter protections. Something that can be cast in bronze and/or that states cant screw with.
COL Mustard
(5,922 posts)Use their toolkit against them and end this logjam!!!
gab13by13
(21,402 posts)should do it. Schumer has rarely, if ever, spoken off the cuff, everything is written down for him.
station agent
(385 posts)Never reference this piece of trash anywhere. If he has an idea you like, just say hey I heard this idea from somewhere, I forgot where, then say the idea. Or say Al Franken said it. Or the woke redneck guy. Make someone up. Not Bill Kristol. Not ever.
PCIntern
(25,583 posts)Apparently, you hate him, detest him, and despise him. In fact him, you dont like!
And I understand where youre coming from because I watched him all those years on Brinkleys show and others with that smarmy self-confident air which made me physically ill. And to be truthful, what really used to bother me was that he was Jewish, as I am, And the thought of this guy somehow representing my people on TV was overwhelmingly horrifying for reasons which I have yet to understand. Visceral
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brush
(53,849 posts)but often wrong with his talk show offerings so he bears watching with a side eye. Now at least he's a never trumper republican so my take now is the old saying..."the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
I'd add..."until proven otherwise."
Skittles
(153,193 posts)any more than Trump represented America
PCIntern
(25,583 posts)But dont think for one minute that the anti-Semites didnt say this with Feith and Perle and several others who also didnt represent Judaism. One right wing guy one said to me many years ago that not all Jews are bad politically , look at and he names a whole bunch of right wing ideologues including those mentioned here.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)so yes, any Jewish person behaving in a not-so-stellar fashion will represent Jews with bigots
and anyone who starts a sentence with "not all Jews" is.......likely a bigot.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)Im only about 2% willing to drop my guard and open my arms.
Hes just seeing the light - now. But he was all in, working to achieve such ends as this, exactly.
Every time I see him or any other sound-nice-nows who bill themselves as no longer Republican or independent or a Democratic convert or recovering- reformed- or whatever the label is now, all I do is growl at the image on TV and snarl YOU BUILT THIS.
Cuz thats what happened. Who built this, who conceived and plotted and strategized it in the first place. Who got it off the ground and sent it into overdrive through many wrong-wing and extremist platforms now infesting the internet. AND whos primarily to blame.
And who now are very busy washing their hands of it all, like some modern-day parade of Pontius Pilate impersonators.
THEYRE the ones who built this tower of turds.
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)Sogo
(4,992 posts)Schumer needs to step up and use his power. McConnell would not hesitate, were he the leader....
and Yes.
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Martin68
(22,877 posts)Kittycatkat
(1,356 posts)we cannot stop attacking until our democracy is safe and warm again. We have let the Repugs attack us since Nixon. It is our time to fight fire with fire. This is so fu#ked up.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Beartracks
(12,821 posts)These are not normal times, and the Republicans are operating outside the norms, traditions, and civility of the process -- so this is NOT the time to implement same ol' same ol' "normal" protocols if you expect to make progress against obstructionists who will not negotiate or cooperate in good faith.
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