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Can anyone provide or cite to a list of criminal investigations DOJ is currently conducting? (Original Post) StarfishSaver Sep 2021 OP
If I haven't heard about it, then it must not exist AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Sep 2021 #40
Nicely played malaise Sep 2021 #41
Interesting that aside from one "No, but ..." response, no one has answered the question StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #42
Is that required? malaise Sep 2021 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Sep 2021 #44
They really should get that on a t-shirt. LanternWaste Sep 2021 #45
I see what you did there... Ocelot II Sep 2021 #2
That is not a public thing... Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #3
Exactly the point. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #4
Heh... Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #5
No, but I can provide a list of people who are not indicted Effete Snob Sep 2021 #6
I'll put you down as a "No." StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #7
Congratulations Effete Snob Sep 2021 #12
I read your entire post StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #13
... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #26
Do you actually talk to people like that in your real life? Effete Snob Sep 2021 #30
What crime committed in 2016 do you think can't be prosecuted in the next few months or year? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #33
Wire fraud, for one Effete Snob Sep 2021 #35
Those crimes are ongoing and the statute of limitations doesn't start to run until the last act StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #37
Oh, so now you know what the DoJ is doing? Effete Snob Sep 2021 #38
I didn't say I knew what DOJ is doing StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #39
The "and so on" Effete Snob Sep 2021 #36
Ten bucks says you fail to see the irony of telling others they're condescending. LanternWaste Sep 2021 #46
Can you tell us ... NanceGreggs Sep 2021 #8
A dream is a wish your heart makes Effete Snob Sep 2021 #9
The only thing Giuliani and Cohen have in common is that they were both Trump attorneys StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #14
Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #16
That's kind of odd Effete Snob Sep 2021 #20
Tick tock... Effete Snob Sep 2021 #10
No, but GARLAND ISN'T DOING ANYTHING AND HE MUST INDICT TRUMP NOW11!! mcar Sep 2021 #11
How do you know he's not doing anything? Ocelot II Sep 2021 #15
I think mcar was being sarcastic StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #19
Maybe so - apologies if that was the case. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #21
It is often hard to tell the difference StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #22
... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #27
No worries mcar Sep 2021 #29
Did I really need to include the sarcasm emoji? mcar Sep 2021 #28
My bad. Your satire of people who really think that way was too convincing! Ocelot II Sep 2021 #31
With all due respect to mcar, it wasn't hard StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #32
Thanks mcar Sep 2021 #34
KnR Hekate Sep 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #18
Beating a dead horse is so much fun.. msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #23
You apparently think so ... StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #24
I guess a sarcasm coda is required from time to time msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #25
So far no list has been forthcoming StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #47
Hmmm EffieBlack Sep 2021 #48
Kick StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #49
You're kicking your own post? BigmanPigman Nov 2021 #51
Notice posts 47 and 48... CanyaDigIt Nov 2021 #52
Yes, I did. That is why I had to comment. BigmanPigman Nov 2021 #53
Kick StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #50

Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #1)

Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #42)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. They really should get that on a t-shirt.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 08:44 PM
Sep 2021

"Well, I've never seen that happen so I will remain hipster-skeptical" is one a hundred variations on the 'never trust anyone over 30' crap.

Ohio Joe

(21,781 posts)
5. Heh...
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:09 PM
Sep 2021

See... That is what happens when I read DU on only my second cup of coffee. I should really wait till late afternoon when I'm awake and paying actual attention

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
6. No, but I can provide a list of people who are not indicted
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:14 PM
Sep 2021

For example:

Not indicted : Matt Gaetz

Indicted : Stephen Alford
(the guy who tried to extort Matt Gaetz over various allegations made about him)

The DoJ can move pretty fast when they want.

Or, try this on for size:

Not indicted : Rudy Giuliani - not indicted five months after his premises searched and devices seized

Indicted : Michael Cohen
- pleaded guilty four months after his premises searched and devices seized

Another thing I can do is tell whether it is raining or someone is pissing on my leg.

Some of this stuff is heading into a carbon copy of the Q "storm" theory, or the Louise Mensch nonsense about secret indictments.

If we build enough of these, then the real ones will return with cargo:



 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
12. Congratulations
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:17 PM
Sep 2021

You managed to condescendingly read the entire first word of my post.

I guess the rest was more difficult.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
13. I read your entire post
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:19 PM
Sep 2021

Nothing in it after "No" was responsive to my question. Your admission that you can't cite to any current DOJ investigation answered my question.

The rest of your post wasn't difficult. It was just irrelevant to the topic.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
30. Do you actually talk to people like that in your real life?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:01 PM
Sep 2021

Is this a normal conversation for you? Or just rhetorical point scoring against strangers?

Entire cults are premised on "We don't know what (God / Jesus / intelligence agencies / law enforcement / angels / cosmic forces / aliens) are up to. Therefore, some (optimistic premise / snake oil / religious belief / whatever) that I have to offer is superior."

For example, I don't know what Jesus is up to, but I'm pretty sure the folks who think he's coming back are kind of pathetic to keep hanging on.

The Q nuts had remarkable faith in the fabled "storm" - a round-up of miscreants they didn't like.

Here at DU, there's been Fitzmas, the Mueller report, and so on.

A lot of federal crimes have statutes of limitations as low as five years. So, yes, there does come a point where one can safely assume that a crime committed in, say, 2016 is not going to be prosecuted. And that doesn't require any knowledge of what's inside the black box being touted by the man on the soapbox at the medicine show.

But get your personal digs in to some stranger on the internet, if that's what floats your boat.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
33. What crime committed in 2016 do you think can't be prosecuted in the next few months or year?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:24 PM
Sep 2021

And besides Fitzmas and the Mueller report, what are the other cases your "and so on" refers to?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
35. Wire fraud, for one
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:25 PM
Sep 2021

I’m not going through every offense in 18 USC for someone who treats others like punching bags for having a different opinion.

I asked you if you talk to actual people that way in real life.

But, fine, wire fraud taps out in five years. And if you are going to say “nobody’s being investigated for that” then how about you provide the list of offenses being investigated - or does the “we don’t know” rule only apply to others?

But in general, the SOL for ALL federal non-capital offenses is five years under 18 U.S. Code § 3282:

18 U.S. Code § 3282 - Offenses not capital

(a) In General.—
Except as otherwise expressly provided by law, no person shall be prosecuted, tried, or punished for any offense, not capital, unless the indictment is found or the information is instituted within five years next after such offense shall have been committed.

So, that’s basically most offenses relevant to the Mueller investigation relating to the 2016 campaign.

And since that’s the default federal SOL, then how about you identify relevant offenses that AREN’T subject to the default rule.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
37. Those crimes are ongoing and the statute of limitations doesn't start to run until the last act
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:40 PM
Sep 2021

in furtherance of the crime has been completed.

Trump has continued to engage in acts related to those campaign finance violations long past the date of the initial act, so the statute of limitations likely won't expire this year.

In fact, I can't think of any serious crime that Trump could be accused of in which the statute of limitations is in danger of running out in the next few months.

Also, I suspect that DOJ is preparing a RICO case against Trump, which would mean a panoply of crimes - including fraud
obstruction of justice, slavery, money laundering, etc. - will be tied together to show a pattern of criminality on his part. If that's what they're doing, the five year statute of limitations will be tolled until the last racketeering act was committed. And since he probably is continuing to commit crimes to this day, the statute may never actually start to run ...

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
38. Oh, so now you know what the DoJ is doing?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:48 PM
Sep 2021

Ah, RICO! The battle cry of proponents of odd legal theories everywhere.

A common theme in many religions is the belief in divine agencies which will punish the prosperous wicked in the afterlife. IMHO it is a common religious belief due to widespread disappointment in the observable reality that the prosperous wicked are seldom punished.
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
39. I didn't say I knew what DOJ is doing
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:53 PM
Sep 2021

Re-read my post.

And no, "RICO" is not the "battle cry of proponents of odd legal theories everywhere" nor is it based on a "belief in divine agencies."

If you think that, you might want to check in with R. Kelly, who was convicted today on RICO charges and, as a result, will probably spend the rest of his life in prison. He probably has an entirely different take on the efficacy of RICO than you do.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
36. The "and so on"
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:36 PM
Sep 2021

Is inclusive of the Mensch nonsense, the Qanonsense, and various “war crimes” so-called tribunals popular during the W administration.

The “lock him/her up” rallying cry is not exclusive to any one political orientation. Stoking belief in imminent criminal prosecution is a time-honored set piece of political rhetoric.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. Ten bucks says you fail to see the irony of telling others they're condescending.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 08:47 PM
Sep 2021

Leading beautifully ironic into your second sentence.

Congratulations, indeed!!










(space provided free of charge below to move goalposts if ethically necessary)

NanceGreggs

(27,822 posts)
8. Can you tell us ...
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:37 PM
Sep 2021

... the current status of the investigations into the people you've listed, and any other individuals that are being investigated - and provide your sources for that information?


TIA!

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
9. A dream is a wish your heart makes
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 12:54 PM
Sep 2021

Michael Cohen is a former Trump attorney. He was criminally charged weeks after being searched.

Rudy Giuliani is a former Trump attorney. He remains uncharged months after being searched.

You can believe in whatever unicorns you want, but merely wishing things to be true is a poor way to live. You can also remain blind to the political cargo cults such as Q and the Mensch nonsense, all of which hinge on beliefs and hopes for future criminal indictments.

If you click your heels three times, Fitzmas will come.

Say hi to Linus out there.




You want to tell me what happens after death? No? Well, there's lots of people making bank on hopes and dreams based on that simple proposition.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. The only thing Giuliani and Cohen have in common is that they were both Trump attorneys
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:32 PM
Sep 2021

And not even, for the most part, at the same time.

The facts relating to each of them are completely different, so comparing them and insisting that Giuliani's case should proceed on the same timeline as Cohen's because they are both "former Trump attorneys" makes no sense.

Response to Effete Snob (Reply #9)

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
20. That's kind of odd
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 02:22 PM
Sep 2021

You are the one who believes and, as noted in your “prediction” post, has stated your apparent confidence in future events based on no evidence whatsoever.

I’m old enough to remember when the Mueller report was going to bring them all down. I’d be willing to bet without looking that certain people believed that too.

Ocelot II

(116,106 posts)
15. How do you know he's not doing anything?
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:38 PM
Sep 2021

Have you spoken with him? Visited his office? Watched him work, read his emails? Why do you think he should publicize his department's criminal investigations? How long do you think complex criminal investigations of former presidents are supposed to take?

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

BigmanPigman

(51,717 posts)
53. Yes, I did. That is why I had to comment.
Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:00 PM
Nov 2021

And she "kicked herself" again over a week after she posted the original OP. What's up with that?

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