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UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:18 PM Sep 2021

2 Texas Dems blasting/ voting-'gainst us. Beto & Henry CUELLAR.

I get it: Beto in Texas has to fit in, like MANCHIN. I don't get CUELLAR, Congresscritter from the most financially deprived district ever (Laredo, TX), always toe-ing the BlueDog line.

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https://news.yahoo.com/beto-o-rourke-blasts-biden-administration-failures-on-haitian-migrant-surge-201500865.html

Beto blasts 'Biden administration failures' on Haitian migrant surge



https://www.newsweek.com/henry-cuellar-lone-democrat-vote-against-abortion-rights-bill-passes-house-1632551
Henry Cuellar Lone Democrat to Vote Against Abortion Rights as Bill Passes House


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leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
1. Beto isn't wrong
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:31 PM
Sep 2021
“Unfortunately, stung by the outcry and caught without a plan, the Biden administration used a cynical Trump-era policy (known as Title 42) to immediately, and without due process, repatriate Haitians back to the country they left a decade ago, one whose streets are now ruled by gangs and criminals,”


Unfortunately he doesn't say how he thinks it should have been handled, so it just comes across as political grandstanding

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
8. I don't see how you have it both ways.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:12 AM
Sep 2021

Either you speak up to terrible treatment of people seeking asylum from a dictatorship....

or...

You shut up and let the atrocities and maltreatment go unchallenged. If that's your idea of "not helping the political enemy" then that's too high a price. I don't excuse abuse of refugees just because the president has a D on his chest.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
11. I was talking about you, not O'Rourke
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:26 AM
Sep 2021

O'Rourke is right to write that editorial. Biden isn't managing the border crisis effectively. Beto is right to speak up about it. I don't believe doing so is "helping the enemy." Staying quiet about the mismanagement, on the other hand, would be giving safe harbor to the abuse of refugees that we ought to be opposing

Hope that clarifies my position

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
12. I didn't need clarification (& not a fight). I clearly understood you were talking about me.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:34 AM
Sep 2021

But I'm a single-minded Dem, will issue criticism of Dems without giving fuel to the wingnuts.

Who said he didn't have a right to write that editorial? Was all-Hades-breaking-loose BIDEN's management flaw?

Yes, Beto's framing of the criticisim is "helping the enemy".

Who said he should stay silent? How about a constructive solution/suggestion?

*** Maybe you will grant me the same right to speak up as you do for Beto (or anybody). Nighty-night.






TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
3. Link to the op-ed at El Paso Matters:
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:48 PM
Sep 2021
https://elpasomatters.org/2021/09/24/opinion-biden-administration-failures-worsen-the-haitian-migration-crisis/

To add some additional context to the headline:

We need some leadership at this moment. Not the photo ops favored by our governor and GOP congressmen, hungry to pose tough in front of suffering people. Not the quickie deportations that will only exacerbate the problems in Haiti and likely produce more outbound refugees who will appear on our border in a future year.

We need America to step up and convene the countries of this hemisphere to solve the interconnected crises of failed states, climate catastrophes and the mass movement of people who — through no fault of their own — are unable to stay in their home countries.

We need our government to dispense with cynical Trump-era policies and follow current U.S. law to ensure due process for asylum seekers. We need to hold accountable those who would treat immigrants as less than human — whether they were separated from their families and placed in cages under Trump or corralled like cattle as they brought food to their families under Biden.

And as important and interesting as the rest of the world might be for those in D.C., while you’re making submarine deals with Australia, the countries and people that we’re actually connected to by land, history, family and culture are left without serious U.S. attention, involvement or leadership. And these are the consequences.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
5. Well, (I read it), the context is all of our Dem empathy for the hurt, but he's blaming the Admin
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:04 AM
Sep 2021

Yea, the Brazil angle was being monitored months ago by our multiple agencies. Also, Afghanistan festered for 20 years and our multiple agencies monitored it. Is all of this a BIDEN problem, or is all of this a systemic problem, or is it a conspiracy theory that Jason MILLER (Drumpf scumbag/Roger STONE wannabe) might have been involved.

I'm looking at things from a street point of view, like, can't Beto improve our Dem approach without fueling the wingnuts, please?






UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
7. Yea, his district voted like that. And he votes almost good Dem. But he is a frequent Faux guest and
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:08 AM
Sep 2021

is always giving fuel to the wingnuts. What about his dirt-poor constituents?







Celerity

(43,416 posts)
13. His district has never elected a Rethug in its history. Cuellar fundraised
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:46 AM
Sep 2021

and campaigned for a RW racist climate change denialist Republican (John Carter, who beat MJ Hegar in a close race that Cuellar intervened in to help defeat the Dwmocrat) in another TX district. He voted with Trump almost 70% of the time in the 115th Congress. He is a forced birther, anti LGBTQ at times, is pro big oil, pro private prison, an obstructionist when it comes to climate change legislation, anti-immigrant at times, and has been bashing Biden for ages now.

He is the worst Dem in the House, by far, and I wish we would find a decent moderate to primary him. A progressive likely cannot win his district, but at least find a person who believes in our Party's platform, which Cuellar does not, AND find a person who doesn't endorse and fundraise for a RW MAGAt Republican.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
6. I don't think you appreciate how crooked and dirty politics in the Valley can be
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:08 AM
Sep 2021

Cuellar, if I recall correctly, got challenged and nearly unseated by a progressive challenger. I hope she comes back at him again. But the Valley has old school machine politics still. Dick Daley caliber machine politics. That's an ideal breeding ground for Blue Dogs

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
9. I'm a mainstream/"national" type Dem & think "crooked & dirty politics" are same all over.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:13 AM
Sep 2021

No, being in a dirt-poor district is not an ideal breeding ground for Blue Dogs. It means an unenlighted constituency voting against their own interests, it means low voter turnout, it means politicians in bed with money and invested in the honey-pot of keeping the job.













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