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kpete

(72,040 posts)
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:34 AM Sep 2021

McCarthy LIED- Jan 6 Commission asked FBI whether that Reuters report was true & FBI said it wasn't.

Sep 4, 2021

Bolton, MS & Wilson, WY—Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) and Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) today made the following statement regarding Minority Leader McCarthy’s false claim that the FBI and Senate committees have concluded that the former President had “no involvement” in the January 6th insurrection:

“Minority Leader McCarthy has recently made statements regarding the January 6th investigation. He has suggested, based on an anonymous report, that the Department of Justice has concluded that Donald Trump did not cause, incite, or provoke the violence on January 6th. When this anonymous report was first published, the Select Committee queried the Executive Branch agencies and congressional committees involved in the investigation. We’ve received answers and briefings from the relevant entities, and it’s been made clear to us that reports of such a conclusion are baseless. We will continue to pursue all elements of this investigation in a nonpartisan and thorough manner. We also remind Minority Leader McCarthy of his statements following January 6th, including his statement from the House Floor on January 13th—which are inconsistent with his recent comments.”

https://january6th.house.gov/news/press-releases/thompson-cheney-statement-mccarthy-s-january-6th-misinformation-campaign


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McCarthy LIED- Jan 6 Commission asked FBI whether that Reuters report was true & FBI said it wasn't. (Original Post) kpete Sep 2021 OP
Lying, lies bullshit . .. Lovie777 Sep 2021 #1
Wish they would have made the statement earlier. Nevilledog Sep 2021 #2
Exactly! The timing is key in these moments. sarchasm Sep 2021 #18
Yes and McCarthy knows that PatSeg Sep 2021 #36
"....our legal system, where truth takes precedent." jaxexpat Sep 2021 #38
Sadly, that is true PatSeg Sep 2021 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #52
And they found out on November 3rd Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #40
Yes, winning at any cost, even cheating, is their game plan PatSeg Sep 2021 #43
Not too surprising, really. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #49
Sadly, that does make sense PatSeg Sep 2021 #50
I was really hoping you'd have a good reason that I was totally wrong. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #53
I am so sorry PatSeg Sep 2021 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #51
Kevin McCarthy imagines himself to be a cunning warrior leftieNanner Sep 2021 #3
He is worse than that, trump fired Graham from his ass kissing role and gave it to McCarthy Escurumbele Sep 2021 #20
Trump turns every GQP.... SergeStorms Sep 2021 #32
one thing about it , McQuarhty can't miss that big target ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #54
"Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election." Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #4
And then he left them and headed to his bunker to watch with glee malaise Sep 2021 #5
A site to behold. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #11
And that is the truth - the Slobfather is the leader of the malaise Sep 2021 #14
Patriots, my ass! broiles Sep 2021 #33
Plus 10,000 SergeStorms Sep 2021 #34
His coup failed PJMcK Sep 2021 #16
and an evil malaise Sep 2021 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Sep 2021 #28
We Democrats need to take Trump's words as our marching orders. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #12
Republicans can't win unless they lie, cheat and steal. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #23
Thanks for posting this! Absolutely eye opening. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #41
Thanks for the history trip. Wow. nt crickets Sep 2021 #44
The GOP is such a pack of losers, liars and cheats. Really a collection of despicable people. RKP5637 Sep 2021 #6
and killers azureblue Sep 2021 #15
Today's media is stunning, most give the GOP a free pass. And the GOP is the RKP5637 Sep 2021 #21
I haven't been able to view the GOP as even somewhat "reputable" for years. calimary Sep 2021 #17
I was thinking way back, maybe Eisenhower times. But even then it was certainly not my RKP5637 Sep 2021 #19
And I do. If I see an "R" by their name, they're immediately suspect. calimary Sep 2021 #25
Same here!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2021 #26
and yet they persist. sarchasm Sep 2021 #22
Same here, and especially with SCOTUS siding with TX on abortion. What's next, as they RKP5637 Sep 2021 #24
well, there are no repercussions, so lies become 'truth' spanone Sep 2021 #7
Guilty people do stupid things. He is doing stupid things. Therefore... ashredux Sep 2021 #8
Yep uponit7771 Sep 2021 #10
Saying that a republican lied is like saying water is wet PCIntern Sep 2021 #9
+1 nt orleans Sep 2021 #13
that book with the title ," lies and the lying liars " ring true. AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #29
Well, isn't that nice? gratuitous Sep 2021 #30
Say it out loud in front of a camera and it becomes NoMoreRepugs Sep 2021 #31
A couple trolls posted it on DU too. Kingofalldems Sep 2021 #35
Fuqk you Qevin The Unmitigated Gall Sep 2021 #37
Cheney and Libby did it much better. McCarthy is an idiot. haele Sep 2021 #42
Representatives Bennie Thompson & Liz Chaney catch Kevin McCarthy in a lie LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #45
Tell the truth and then renege? Stupid Party logic. czarjak Sep 2021 #46
Holy shit. He's in it now. Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #47
Oh, Kevin..... ShazzieB Sep 2021 #48

Nevilledog

(51,274 posts)
2. Wish they would have made the statement earlier.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:40 AM
Sep 2021

The notion there was no link is now set in concrete with the MAGAts

sarchasm

(1,014 posts)
18. Exactly! The timing is key in these moments.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:50 AM
Sep 2021

It's extremely difficult, I'll grant them, but their lack of effective timing is making it infinitely more difficult to counter the lies.

PatSeg

(47,732 posts)
36. Yes and McCarthy knows that
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 01:05 PM
Sep 2021

It has become common practice among republicans these days. It doesn't matter what you say, as you are just speaking to the base and they don't care if you lie. Unfortunately for them, that does not work in our legal system, where truth takes precedent.

jaxexpat

(6,872 posts)
38. "....our legal system, where truth takes precedent."
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 01:13 PM
Sep 2021

Unfortunately the delaying of justice has baked itself into our system so that well healed parties can, essentially, forgo the price of their crimes indefinitely.

PatSeg

(47,732 posts)
39. Sadly, that is true
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 01:18 PM
Sep 2021

Of course, I like to believe that their many lies and transgressions will catch up with them eventually.

Response to jaxexpat (Reply #38)

Mr.Bill

(24,358 posts)
40. And they found out on November 3rd
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 01:38 PM
Sep 2021

it doesn't work well at the ballot box either. Gerrymandering is what won them most elections they won.

PatSeg

(47,732 posts)
43. Yes, winning at any cost, even cheating, is their game plan
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:10 PM
Sep 2021

It is no coincidence that politicians tend to rate higher on the sociopathy scale than average. It is the perfect career for those who think lying and cheating in the pursuit of success is acceptable behavior. Ironically, one of their favorite campaign selling points is morality. They truly are shameless.

jaxexpat

(6,872 posts)
49. Not too surprising, really.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 10:38 AM
Sep 2021

In an overpopulated planet, shame would be, logically, one of the first social characteristics to go extinct. Being innately shameless would put them ahead of the curve. Thus altruism hastens toward antiquity, the waste pit of history.

I believe it's a phenomenon that, like stampeding lemmings, cannot be turned.

PatSeg

(47,732 posts)
50. Sadly, that does make sense
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 11:07 AM
Sep 2021

Being shameless and indifferent to the needs of others could insure survival for some, though not necessarily civilization as a whole. It frequently dawns on me that there clearly are too many people on the planet and given the nature of humans, it is not sustainable.

A more enlightened species would be able to recognize the threats looming on the horizon and make appropriate adjustments. Unfortunately as you suggest, too many of our species are "lemmings", incapable or unwilling to think beyond their immediate wants and needs.

PatSeg

(47,732 posts)
55. I am so sorry
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 06:40 PM
Sep 2021

It really depends on when you ask me. There are days when I am cautiously optimistic and others where I think I'm living in a disaster movie. Today seems to be disaster movie mode.

Even so, I still think civilization will survive, but things will probably get worse before they get better. Then there will have to be some very drastic and overwhelming changes in humanity - a quantum leap forward. I do believe that is what will happen, but the transition won't be a comfortable one. So I think the long game is an optimistic one.

Response to PatSeg (Reply #36)

leftieNanner

(15,197 posts)
3. Kevin McCarthy imagines himself to be a cunning warrior
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:43 AM
Sep 2021

Wrong! He's a deeply stupid man with no political skills. Throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.

He has opened himself up to investigations IMHO.

Escurumbele

(3,408 posts)
20. He is worse than that, trump fired Graham from his ass kissing role and gave it to McCarthy
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:54 AM
Sep 2021

And by the looks of it McCarthy has double duty, that of ass-kisser and c^&&-sucker.

What a little man McCarthy is. A man is not defined by his physical height, he is defined by the strength of his principles, and McCarthy has none, no dignity.


A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
~~ Dwight Eisenhower


McCarthy may have had principles, if he did he lost that, and lets hope he soon looses the rest.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
32. Trump turns every GQP....
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:49 PM
Sep 2021

Congress-critter (save a handful) he comes in into contact with, into the same lying, cheating, lawless, miscreant as himself.

Either he has kompromat on nearly everyone from his boss, Vladimir Putin, or the vast majority of GQP Congress-critters are ready, willing, and able to be turned at the drop of a hat to begin with. Or both.

Everything Trump touches becomes diseased and eventually dies. He's as toxic as PCBs.

Kid Berwyn

(15,043 posts)
4. "Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election."
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:52 AM
Sep 2021

“…And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

“Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.

“And I say this despite all that’s happened. The best is yet to come.

“So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give.

“The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

“So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.”

Source: https://www.fox61.com/article/news/nation-world/trump-save-america-rally-speech-before-capitol-riot-transcript/507-07d5ea40-a357-4bd9-bdb2-6e5cc384f325?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

Kid Berwyn

(15,043 posts)
11. A site to behold.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:28 AM
Sep 2021


Donald Trump Is Now a Terrorist Leader

The attack on the Capitol is the culmination of Trumpism, and the GOP owns this.


David Corn
Mother Jones, Jan. 6, 2021

This is what Donald Trump has unleashed upon the United States: an unprecedented act of domestic terrorism.

Snip...

Trump owned this terrorism. He has whipped up his cultish followers with lies and conspiracy theories. At a rally on Wednesday morning, Trump told his supporters that the 2020 election was a grave crime and that Republicans and Democrats on the Hill were about to destroy American democracy by accepting the results. (During that event, Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s lawyer and chief coup-stirrer, called for “trial by combat.”) Trump directed his frenzied supporters toward the Capitol, where they breached police lines and took over the building. They shut down Congress. They terrorized lawmakers and staff, they fought with security forces, they broke American democracy.

This is all Trump’s doing. He has encouraged violence among his supporters since the 2016 campaign. At his rallies, he encouraged followers to assault protesters and provoked violent threats against journalists. During the Black Lives Matter protests, he threatened to shoot looters. When asked during a campaign debate if he condemned the Proud Boys, violent pro-Trump shock troops, he told them to “stand back and stand by.” Wink, wink. As my colleague Mark Follman has reported, Trump has long played footsie with far-right radicals. Elizabeth Neumann, a former Department of Homeland Security official who focused on counterterrorism and threat prevention, contended in a Washington Post op-ed that Trump has been fomenting violence: “Language from campaign materials and Trump’s extemporaneous speeches at rallies have been used as justification for acts of violence.” His “inconsistent and muddied” criticism of violence and white supremacists, she pointed out, exacerbated the problem: “Extremists thrive on this mixed messaging, interpreting it as coded support.”

By depicting his electoral loss as a theft and profound threat to the nation, Trump signaled to his followers, especially the extremists, that now was a desperate time requiring desperate measures. With such talk, he has become the instigator of one of the most significant terrorist actions in modern American history.

But Trump is not the sole author of this horrific assault on the US government and the citizenry. He has been enabled and supported for years by the Republican Party, Fox News, and other right-wing media, and the conservative movement, even as he fueled hatred and division and his corruptions were repeatedly exposed. They excused his aiding and abetting of a foreign adversary’s attack on the United States. They turned a blind eye to the brazen abuse of power that led to his impeachment. They cheered him, as he downplayed a pandemic, ignored public health guidance, and allowed tens of thousands of Americans to perish in preventable deaths. They remained silent as Trump repeatedly demonstrated he had no respect for democratic norms or the basic norms of decency. They remained silent as he presented tens of thousands of lies and false statements to the American public. Instead, they protected him, they hailed him as their leader.

Continues...

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/donald-trump-is-now-a-terrorist-leader/

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
34. Plus 10,000
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:55 PM
Sep 2021

That article describes the orange maggot perfectly. Trump and his GQP henchmen lie to the MAGAts, and those poor stupid souls believe every word they're told.

Donald Trump is a terrorist leader.

Response to PJMcK (Reply #16)

Lonestarblue

(10,150 posts)
12. We Democrats need to take Trump's words as our marching orders.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:29 AM
Sep 2021

“We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

Republicans are trying to take our country away from us, not by winning with popular policies but by lying, cheating, and stealing elections. If Congress fails to pass the voting rights act and the bill protecting reproductive rights, Democrats will have abdicated their responsibilities to their own voters. And yes I know it’s only a few Democrats who are protecting the filibuster at the expense of ensuring basic rights, but Democrats have the power to pass these bills. They need to use that power instead of squabbling over a rule that has lost its purpose. Anyone who thinks that Mitch McConnell would not ditch the filibuster in a heartbeat to protect big corporations and the wealthy while taking away the rights of minorities is just living in la-la land.

If the voting rights bill especially is not passed, Republicans will not even have to get rid of the filibuster when they have majorities again. They will cheat to ensue that they always have the 60 votes in the Senate to pass anything they want. And they will also ensure that Democrats remain the permanent minority. That was Karl Rive’s goal with his REDMAP, and only the voting rights act can help prevent the achievement of that goal. I really do not understand any Democrat who still ascribes goodwill to any Republican. They have none.

Kid Berwyn

(15,043 posts)
23. Republicans can't win unless they lie, cheat and steal.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:09 PM
Sep 2021

That’s what’s been proved and shown in the Press. From what else is known, they also murder.

The Big Fascist Lie goes waaay back.



Just our Bill

By Dennis Roddy
Saturday, December 02, 2000

Lito Pena is sure of his memory. Thirty-six years ago he, then a Democratic Party poll watcher, got into a shoving match with a Republican who had spent the opening hours of the 1964 election doing his damnedest to keep people from voting in south Phoenix.

"He was holding up minority voters because he knew they were going to vote Democratic," said Pena.

The guy called himself Bill. He knew the law and applied it with the precision of a swordsman. He sat at the table at the Bethune School, a polling place brimming with black citizens, and quizzed voters ad nauseam about where they were from, how long they'd lived there -- every question in the book. A passage of the Constitution was read and people who spoke broken English were ordered to interpret it to prove they had the language skills to vote.

By the time Pena arrived at Bethune, he said, the line to vote was four abreast and a block long. People were giving up and going home.

SNIP…

Party leaders told him not to get physical, but this was the second straight election in which Republicans had sent out people to intellectually rough up the voters. The project even had a name: Operation Eagle Eye.

CONTINUED…

http://old.post-gazette.com/columnists/20001202roddy.asp

Lonestarblue

(10,150 posts)
41. Thanks for posting this! Absolutely eye opening.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 01:42 PM
Sep 2021

And it’s my fear now that Republicans have passed ever-more drastic voting laws that their poll watchers will do the same to today’s voters, especially if their language skills prevent them from fully understanding their right to vote. People like the Proud Boys will line up to be poll watchers in democratic precincts.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
6. The GOP is such a pack of losers, liars and cheats. Really a collection of despicable people.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

There is really not much left of the GOP from decades ago when it was somewhat reputable.

azureblue

(2,155 posts)
15. and killers
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:42 AM
Sep 2021

what boggles my mind is the fact that Trump killed some 650,000 Americans, and the GOP continues to kill Americans, all in the name of using Covid for political leverage. And the media, heck, no one, calls them on it. Ignore it, sweep it under the rug, minimize it.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
21. Today's media is stunning, most give the GOP a free pass. And the GOP is the
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:58 AM
Sep 2021

party of crazies, really. ... in fact, inhumane. And some/many? wear that as a badge of honor. So many in the US side with wackos. It's still incredible someone like Trump was elected ... and many still praise this despicable character. Fuck, I wish I had moved to Canada years ago when I had a chance ... but never did I ever even imagine so many in the US would be as they are today.

calimary

(81,566 posts)
17. I haven't been able to view the GOP as even somewhat "reputable" for years.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:49 AM
Sep 2021

No, excuse me. Make that DECADES. NOT mere years. Ever since I realized they were against so much of what I believed. They seemed oppositional to EVERYTHING I cared about - worshipping at the “altar” of power, dominance, and monopolized wealth. And domination of women.

I found myself wondering why there was so much energy put into keeping women “in their place.” A “place” predetermined by men. I always wondered why it was - that men felt the need or desire to push women down. Why? What were they afraid of?

I remember bristling against the word “housewives.” WTF??? I remember the entertainer Art Linkletter doing his fun little TV shows and always referring to “housewives.” I remember the guy hosting “Queen for a Day” and talking about “housewives.” I remember seeing documents in the school office that described somebody’s dad as “doctor”, “businessman,” “lawyer,” and the mom was “housewife.” MY mom thought of herself as a “housewife.” I guess most if not all of them did, back then. And I thought WTF??? (Back then I was too young to have used or understood the “F” word, but still felt the outrage.)

I remember thinking - even as a kid - “I will NEVER be a ‘housewife’!” NO interest in that whatsoever. I knew there was more to life than that. There would have to be. At least for me. I’ve been married for more than 40 years by now. And I am STILL NOT a “housewife.” Never was. Never will be. The very word “housewife” is demeaning.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
19. I was thinking way back, maybe Eisenhower times. But even then it was certainly not my
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:53 AM
Sep 2021

parent's choice, not in the least. They were FDR democrats. Yes, it's always been a gross repressive political party. Anyone in the GOP of today really has to be viewed with extreme caution.

calimary

(81,566 posts)
25. And I do. If I see an "R" by their name, they're immediately suspect.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:11 PM
Sep 2021

In some elections, for me at least, all I need to know is: “what’s the party affiliation here? D or R? And that’s what makes the decision. It’s ALWAYS gonna be D over R. At least for me.

And even if the “R” SEEMS “moderate enough,” I always worry about who that “R” would bring into office with him. And yes, it’s usually a “him,” not a “her.” Who’s in his back office? And what kind of power and influence does that person have - and worse, who does that person have, advising him - in HIS back office?

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
24. Same here, and especially with SCOTUS siding with TX on abortion. What's next, as they
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:11 PM
Sep 2021

chip away at the US democracy. It's damn chilling.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
30. Well, isn't that nice?
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:28 PM
Sep 2021

I went to another message board and shoved that statement right up a troll's ass. I don't expect to hear from him again on the subject.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,503 posts)
31. Say it out loud in front of a camera and it becomes
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:37 PM
Sep 2021

a “source” or “reports say” addendum to the bullshit spewed by FauxNews.

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,837 posts)
37. Fuqk you Qevin
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 01:06 PM
Sep 2021

I wish somehow the entire state of California could just get up and take a giant shit on you.

Liar.

Coward.

Seditionist scumbag.

You’d probably get off on it though.

haele

(12,690 posts)
42. Cheney and Libby did it much better. McCarthy is an idiot.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 02:17 PM
Sep 2021

One could not lie outright, there had to be a grain of truth, even if no longer applicable, when priming the media for a
propaganda bomb. That way one can always claim plausible deniability when it backfires.
One also has to be consistent with one's lies.

Qevin McCarthy is spinning faster than a twist-a-whirl puke ride. No one can take what he says seriously.

Haele

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,827 posts)
45. Representatives Bennie Thompson & Liz Chaney catch Kevin McCarthy in a lie
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 05:05 PM
Sep 2021



THOMPSON & CHENEY STATEMENT ON MCCARTHY’S JANUARY 6TH MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN
Sep 4, 2021
Bolton, MS & Wilson, WY—Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) and Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) today made the following statement regarding Minority Leader McCarthy’s false claim that the FBI and Senate committees have concluded that the former President had “no involvement” in the January 6th insurrection:

“Minority Leader McCarthy has recently made statements regarding the January 6th investigation. He has suggested, based on an anonymous report, that the Department of Justice has concluded that Donald Trump did not cause, incite, or provoke the violence on January 6th. When this anonymous report was first published, the Select Committee queried the Executive Branch agencies and congressional committees involved in the investigation. We’ve received answers and briefings from the relevant entities, and it’s been made clear to us that reports of such a conclusion are baseless. We will continue to pursue all elements of this investigation in a nonpartisan and thorough manner. We also remind Minority Leader McCarthy of his statements following January 6th, including his statement from the House Floor on January 13th—which are inconsistent with his recent comments.”

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