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MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:17 AM Aug 2021

The COVID-19 Virus Is NOT a Parasite!

That is a flaw in anyone's reasoning who considers an antiparasitic drug like hydrochloroquine or ivermectin to be a possible treatment for COVID-19. Parasites are living things. Viruses may or not be alive. They are not in any way related to each other.

There is no reason to suspect that an antiparasitic medication would be useful against any virus. The biology is completely different.

Ridiculous on its face!

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Ocelot II

(115,900 posts)
1. Ivermectin has become a thing in certain circles (we know which ones)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:37 AM
Aug 2021

because of a preliminary study suggesting it might have antiviral properties, but this study hasn't held up and there has been no subsequent research showing it cures anything but parasitic diseases. Some of the dimmer bulbs among our population, having learned of the study on the internet (where else?) but unable to get an actual doctor to prescribe the drug for covid prevention or treatment, once again turned to the internet and discovered that ivermectin can be found in livestock deworming products. Then they waddled off to their local farm supply store and bought horse paste and sheep dip and whatever else they could find with ivermectin in it and proceeded to dose themselves as if they were a 1,000-lb. horse. Hilarity probably ensued in the guns & ammo aisle at Wal-Mart, since horse paste in horse doses tends to give one diarrhea. If ivermectin also cured or prevented covid19, it might be worth the embarrassment and mess of publicly pooping yourself, but alas, it doesn't.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
2. Ivermectin had been identified previously as a nuclear protein import inhibitor
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:59 AM
Aug 2021

The initial studies were not proposed by people ignorant of molecular biology and biochemistry.

That said, studies so far have not demonstrated clinical effectiveness against Covid-19.

An AlphaScreen®-Based Assay for High-Throughput Screening for Specific Inhibitors of Nuclear Import

Kylie M. Wagstaff, Stephen M. Rawlinson, Anna C. Hearps, David A. JansFirst Published February 4, 2011
https://doi.org/10.1177/1087057110390360

Specific viral proteins enter the nucleus of infected cells to perform essential functions, as part of the viral life cycle. The integrase (IN) molecule of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)–1 is of particular interest in this context due to its integral role in integrating the HIV genome into that of the infected host cell. Most IN-based antiviral compounds target the IN/DNA interaction, but since IN must first enter the nucleus before it can perform these critical functions, nuclear transport of IN is also an attractive target for therapeutic intervention. Here the authors describe a novel high-throughput screening assay for identifying inhibitors of nuclear import, particularly IN, based on amplified luminescent proximity homogeneous assay (AlphaScreen®) technology, which is high throughput, requires low amounts of material, and is efficient and cost-effective. The authors use the assay to screen for specific inhibitors of the interaction between IN and its nuclear transport receptor importin ?/?, successfully identifying several inhibitors of the IN/importin ?/? interaction. Importantly, they demonstrate that one of the identified compounds, mifepristone, is effective in preventing active nuclear transport of IN in transfected cells and hence may represent a useful anti-HIV therapeutic. The screen also identified broad-spectrum importin ?/? inhibitors such as ivermectin, which may represent useful tools for nuclear transport research in the future. The authors validate the activity and specificity of mifepristone and ivermectin in inhibiting nuclear protein import in living cells, underlining the utility of the screening approach.


Current Strategies of Antiviral Drug Discovery for COVID-19
Miao Mei1 and Xu Tan2*

REVIEW article - Front. Mol. Biosci., 13 May 2021 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fmolb.2021.671263

SARS-CoV-2 belongs to the family of enveloped, single-strand RNA viruses known as Betacoronavirus in Coronaviridae, first reported late 2019 in China. It has since been circulating world-wide, causing the COVID-19 epidemic with high infectivity and fatality rates. As of the beginning of April 2021, pandemic SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 130 million people and led to more than 2.84 million deaths. Given the severity of the epidemic, scientists from academia and industry are rushing to identify antiviral strategies to combat the disease. There are several strategies in antiviral drugs for coronaviruses including empirical testing of known antiviral drugs, large-scale phenotypic screening of compound libraries and target-based drug discovery. To date, an increasing number of drugs have been shown to have anti-coronavirus activities in vitro and in vivo, but only remdesivir and several neutralizing antibodies have been approved by the US FDA for treating COVID-19. However, remdesivir’s clinical effects are controversial and new antiviral drugs are still urgently needed. We will discuss the current status of the drug discovery efforts against COVID-19 and potential future directions. With the ever-increasing movability of human population and globalization of world economy, emerging and reemerging viral infectious diseases seriously threaten public health. Particularly the past and ongoing outbreaks of coronaviruses cause respiratory, enteric, hepatic and neurological diseases in infected animals and human (Woo et al., 2009). The human coronavirus (HCoV) strains (HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-NL63, and HCoV-HKU1) usually cause common cold with mild, self-limiting upper respiratory tract infections. By contrast, the emergence of three deadly human betacoronaviruses, middle east respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS) (Zaki et al., 2012), severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) (Lee et al., 2003), the SARS-CoV-2 (Jin et al., 2020a) highlight the need to identify new treatment strategies for viral infections. SARS-CoV-2 is the etiological agent of COVID-19 disease named by World Health Organization (WHO) (Zhu N. et al., 2020). This disease manifests as either an asymptomatic infection or a mild to severe pneumonia. This pandemic disease causes extent morbidity and mortality in the whole world, especially regions out of China. Similar to SARS and MERS, the SARS CoV-2 genome encodes four structural proteins, sixteen non-structural proteins (nsp) and accessory proteins. The structural proteins include spike (S), envelope (E), membrane (M), nucleoprotein (N). The spike glycoprotein directly recognizes and engages cellular receptors during viral entry. The four non-structural proteins including papain-like protease (PLpro), 3-chymotrypsin-like protease (3CLpro), helicase, and RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp) are key enzymes involved in viral transcription and replication. The spike and the four key enzymes were considered attractive targets to develop antiviral agents (Zumla et al., 2016). The catalytic sites of the four enzymes of SARS-CoV2 share high similarities with SARS CoV and MERS in genomic sequences (Morse et al., 2020). Besides, the structures of the key drug-binding pockets are highly conserved among the three coronaviruses (Morse et al., 2020). Therefore, it follows naturally that existing anti-SARS-CoV and anti-MERS drugs targeting these enzymes can be repurposed for SARS-CoV-2. Based on previous studies in SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, it is anticipated a number of therapeutics can be used to control or prevent emerging infectious disease COVID-19 (Li and de Clercq, 2020; Wang et al., 2020c; Ita, 2021), these include small-molecule drugs, peptides, and monoclonal antibodies. Given the urgency of the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak, here we discuss the discovery and development of new therapeutics for SARS-CoV-2 infection based on the strategies from which the new drugs are derived.

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Ivermectin, an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent (Gonzalez Canga et al., 2008),is a broad-spectrum antiviral agent with activities against flaviviruses, influenza virus and HIV-1 (Mastrangelo et al., 2012; Wagstaff et al., 2012; Lundberg et al., 2013; Tay et al., 2013; Gotz et al., 2016; Ketkar et al., 2019). It also demonstrated inhibitory effect on SARS CoV-2 infection in vitro (Caly et al., 2020). Ivermectin administration significantly reduced the mortality of COVID-19 patients (Rajter et al., 2021). Nitazoxanide, a commercial antiprotozoal agent with an antiviral potential against a broad range of viruses including human and animal coronaviruses, can also block SARS-CoV-2 replication at low micromolar concentration in vitro (Wang et al., 2020c). Although the mechanisms of actions of ivermectin and nitazoxanide are still unclear, their broad-spectrum activities suggest host-targeting mechanisms. Further in vivo and clinical evaluations of these drugs are warranted.


MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
6. Were those in vivo and clinical evaluations ever carried out?
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:33 AM
Aug 2021

Where is the citation for those? I have not seen any evidence of it.

Are you really promoting the use of ivermectin in humans for COVID-19? Really?

PortTack

(32,809 posts)
8. There were studies done in Australia very early on, and they were hopeful
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:54 AM
Aug 2021

From what I read the drug did nothing beyond invitro. I’m certainly not promoting ivermectin, I don’t think this person is either...just sticking to the science.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
12. Global trends in clinical studies of ivermectin in COVID-19
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:31 PM
Aug 2021
http://jja-contents.wdc-jp.com/pdf/JJA74/74-1-open/74-1_44-95.pdf

This is a review article in THE JAPANESE JOURNAL OF ANTIBIOTICS that gives the background and summarizes the state of trial through about Jan 2021.

The trial being conducted by Japan Agency for Medical Research and Development, Kitasato Institute is ongoing. https://rctportal.niph.go.jp/en/detail?trial_id=jRCT2031200120

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Yet we have at least one DUer gleefully posting about a Nobel prize for using it in humans...
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:03 AM
Aug 2021

...not for COVID, of course. That same DUer frequently posts about vaccine failures, etc - always just skating on the edge of antivaxxer insanity.

Well, how about that? Said DUer has chimed in on this thread.

 

TallJohn

(27 posts)
4. I'm old enough to remember when peach pits cured cancer
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:11 AM
Aug 2021

And raping a virgin would cure aids.

Can't imagine what Fakebook and the Twitter sewer would have been like back then.

Thank DOG we have a sane President and Dr. Fauci now, at least some of us get it right.

Aristus

(66,479 posts)
5. Same kind of mindset as people who demand antibiotics for viral infections.
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:16 AM
Aug 2021

My patient population learned a long time ago not to try that with me. They know I'll give them appropriate treatment for their illness, and not whatever Uncle Cooter from East Cornhole says they should have.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
7. I suppose so. It's also probably the same people who use veterinary antibiotics
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:35 AM
Aug 2021

to avoid visiting a doctor. Foolish people.

Ocelot II

(115,900 posts)
11. Hey, if penicillin works for strep throat, it should work for covid19,
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:00 PM
Aug 2021

warts, cancer, rabies, mange and bad breath, right?

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