Remember Trump's surprise withdrawal from Syria?

[momta]

We had troops there helping the Kurds who had PROVEN their willingness to fight. Trump just yanked our folks out with no notice, leaving entire bases there for the Russians and Turks to come in and occupy. Kurds were murdered in the streets, and their entire community destroyed.

Somehow THAT was fine with the MAGAts.

But now that we're ending a 20-year war, allying with people who have no will to fight the Taliban, and sending troops to rescue those who can and want to get out. Well, obviously that's an impeachable offense.

Hypocrisy, thy name is MAGAt.

[Walleye]

1. I remember that very well. Disgraceful. Especially turning a base over to the Russians

All roads lead to Putin

[empedocles]

3. putin factor has been huge for traitortrump

[Walleye]

5. The whole ball game. Putin told him to dispute the election, 2016 if he lost so probably 2020, too

I wonder if Donald still talks to Putin regularly on the phone

[KS Toronado]

12. I'll bet they still do

Putin is going to milk Qrump for everything he can get out of him before
he decides he is of no more value to him & throws him under the bus.
And if they are talking, I hope the FBI is recording everything.

[Walleye]

18. Oh yeah. The FBI is very good at that

[Budi]

2. He'd have treated the Afghan people with the same disregard as the Serbs.

Same disregard as he had for our own half million American Covid deaths.

He's a cold blooded murderer, like Putin & the rest of the global killers thruout history.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. I remember that, and not a peep, even from our side, compared to...

the bitching and moaning going on now.

[momta]

6. I remember Lindsay Graham

rather meekly saying "I hope he doesn't go through with it" and then jumping right on the MAGAt bandwagon once it was done.

I cried real tears for the Kurds we betrayed.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

8. People on DU damn sure said a lot more than a peep about it ...

But if you mean M$M and congressional Dems, there was indeed less of a 'peep' than the current situation.

[TreasonousBastard]

9. "People on DU" don't have shit to say in the overall discussion. Outside of a few small...

venues, nobody seemed to give a shit after the initial obligatory head hanging.

[Ohio Joe]

7. K & R - nt

[bluedevil4]

10. As distasterful as that was

and I do remember being upset over it because the Kurds were our allies. We had about a 1000 special ops and no one needed to be moved out except our 1000 ops who were sent to Iraq.
The problem today is we have thousands and thousands of people to invacuate

[hadEnuf]

11. Yes, it seems that everything Trump has negotiated has resulted in some sort of "surprise".

[WarGamer]

13. I don't care if it's Vietnam, Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan...

Who wants to be the final KIA in a war zone under evacuation?

Step right up, any volunteers?

It was an unwinnable exit-less war. There were no goals or cogent strategy.

20 years... we ended the conflict fighting the CHILDREN of the people we fought earlier.

[ybbor]

14. That's exactly what I have been saying to my peeps

But that’s what Putin wanted the orange anus to do so it was fine.

[erronis]

15. Wonder what repug puppet putin will try to put in place next?

Obviously working hard and well in the red states.

What are the USSR strategies for winning the 2022 and 2024 national elections?
? right-wing media (fox, newsmax, etc.) - both-sider media (msnbc, cnn)
? reving up the us-vs- them and making sure everyone is armed and hair-triggered
? gerrymandering and making it harder for non-repugs to vote
? throwing lots of rubles (and counterfeit $$s) at the rubes and politicians and lobbyists
? instigating chaos and dissension in the whole world

Don't pick just one. And add to the list. They are master craftsmen.

[GoodRaisin]

16. M$M gave that a couple of days and moved on. nt

[samsingh]

17. but it wasn't fine with me. And i'm now concerned we are abandoning people who helped us

in Afghanistan.

[OMGWTF]

19. That needed saying!

[BadgerMom]

20. I've thought of this very parallel so many times this past week. It's the MSM, too.

Where was the hue and cry then? Why wasn’t that discussed, dissected, despaired over? The reporters who helped serve us TFG are still out there and still doing dirty work.

[TrollBuster9090]

21. Trump pulled out of Syria after a phone call with Erdogan and Putin. I have no doubt the Kurds

the Kurds were slaughtered by Turkish paramilitaries. There just weren't any TV cameras to video it. Meanwhile, Erdogan and Putin were laughing their asses off at the idiot who just handed them everything they want.

[czarjak]

22. Christian Kurds 2!

[Blue Owl]

23. Fuck tRump

[Johonny]

24. media gave no shits for what happened to the Kurds

truth

[KelleyKramer]

25. The only time in US history a Sec of defense resigned in protest

That's how bad it was

[xocetaceans]

26. Perhaps your "no will to fight" comment is ill-informed? 66,000 dead seems to indicate the opposite.

Costs of the Afghanistan war, in lives and dollars
By ELLEN KNICKMEYER August 16, 2021

...

American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.

U.S. contractors: 3,846.

Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

Afghan civilians: 47,245.

...

http://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

Instead, one might say "no will to be hung out to dry" by Trump's negotiations with the Taliban and the
consequences of that.

One can be mad that Biden is being attacked, but effectively telling the Afghans to go out and cover our retreat
is a bit cowardly if their air support and logistics have been diminished to the point that their soldiers cannot reasonably remain in the fight and hope to live. It's true we cannot sort out their political problems, but we also cannot just say, "Go, die: we have to leave now."

This is not to mention the demoralizing effect of Trump's negotiating with the Taliban and leaving the Afghan government completely out of the negotiations - if one even thinks negotiating with the Taliban is appropriate.

The best lesson for the Biden Administration from this is that all remaining Trump policies should be swiftly discarded and any lingering Trump appointees should be quickly shown the door. Out of sheer caution, nothing that Trump has done should be left standing: by definition, it could be done better if redone or rethought. (Of course, keep the vaccines. Trump likes claiming credit, but that's just because Trump is all about PR. He cannot do substance - note his endless string of bankruptcies.)

[iemanja]

27. He did that on Russia's orders

No question. Russia is the one who benefited.

[Efilroft Sul]

28. I have a Facebook friend who's an Iraqi Kurd

He was furious about our pullout — Trump's betrayal — and he expected to see Turkish tanks roll over the border back then. Thankfully, he was wrong.

[momta]

29. I hope he's okay.

I've been curious ever since how the Kurdish community are doing.

I was furious too.

[Efilroft Sul]

30. He's doing well, thankfully.

I met him in a Facebook group that focused on Kurdish issues at the time, and keep in touch with him a lot discussing soccer. He's a big Argentina/Messi fan, so we've had a fun summer rooting on the good guys.

[Ferrets are Cool]

31. Not only fine with the MAGats, but also with the "press"

It's only a bad, evil thing when a Democrat does it.