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(16,973 posts)Better not be any Dems who opposed this.
TheBlackAdder
(28,277 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,549 posts)Even after having to close the I-40 bridge over the Mississippi River because of a crack in a girder, they don't find infrastructure important.
I can't wait to see Boozman and Cotton voted out of office.
Roy Blunt of Missouri
Richard Burr of North Carolina
Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia
Bill Cassidy of Louisiana
Susan Collins of Maine
Kevin Cramer of North Dakota
Mike Crapo of Idaho
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
Chuck Grassley of Iowa
John Hoeven of North Dakota
Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Rob Portman of Ohio
Jim Risch of Idaho
Mitt Romney of Utah
Thom Tillis of North Carolina
Todd Young of Indiana
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/republicans-voted-for-infrastructure-package-debate/index.html
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,228 posts)Because they're SEEKRIT Republicans?
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,228 posts)Nice to see we're ready to blame them for things that haven't happened when they're partially responsible for getting this through.
Will you blame the Squad if they try to sink this bill?
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)My understanding was they either modified objectionable (whether to Rs or some Ds) items in this bill or took them out with plans to put them in the reconciliation bill. That appeared to be a strategy. I am not commenting on that one way or another. Thats the sausage making.
I am moving no goalposts
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AZSkiffyGeek
(11,228 posts)You implied they were going to sink the next bill. That's moving the goalposts, or at least refusing to acknowledge that the two most hated Dems here accomplished something big.
If that wasn't the intention, then I apologize. I have a hairtrigger when it comes to DUers jumping to blame Democrats and Manchin and Sinema seem to bring out the worst in members who don't understand how the sausage gets made.
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)I recognize the difficulties each Senator has in their State. I may point out things I find inconsistent or contradictory but Im not generally someone who attacks people for a view until I understand it.
Sinema and Manchin had problems with this bill but they werent the only ones, just the more visible ones. They worked those out which is great and with a good number of Rs (TFG will be crazed).
The reconciliation bill apparently has more objectionable items and is a lot larger. It wont have the bipartisan support this one had and the negotiations will be difficult. Any one Democrat could stop it in its tracks.
Well just have to wait and hope
Cheers!
tblue37
(65,590 posts)MLAA
(17,386 posts)anything is possible since he sees handwriting on the wall and wants to emerge the trumpsewer as a reasonable repug.
tblue37
(65,590 posts)against the bill.
My mistake.
MLAA
(17,386 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,138 posts)leftieNanner
(15,218 posts)Who voted FOR the bill.
That doesn't mean that she isn't an odious idiot, though.
oasis
(49,551 posts)Rubio, Ted Cruz , Tim Scott, and Tom Cotton voted no.
Celerity
(43,929 posts)oasis
(49,551 posts)news this weekend, MSNBC or CNN.
Celerity
(43,929 posts)that the Rethugs are not racist to their little white power core
oasis
(49,551 posts)GOP presidential contenders, but they served the purpose that you described.
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)Although to be honest, most Senators fall flat on their face in the spotlight. See: Rubio.
Celerity
(43,929 posts)if he is enough of a barking mad RW carnival barker showman type to get the QMAGAts entertained and blood-lusted up in the crazy way they have now been acclimated to with Trump. Maybe, maybe not.
underpants
(183,165 posts)In 7 months hes already established quite a legacy.
wryter2000
(46,155 posts)And if he gets the other bill through, too, we the people should be feeling the effect when it's time to vote next year.
SergeStorms
(19,208 posts)going to kick and scream and primary all of these (R) Senators?
To be a fly on the wall of his gold leafed office today!
kysrsoze
(6,026 posts)Vinca
(50,349 posts)ex-Dear Leader ordered them all to vote against it. Trouble in paradise??
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)bill, the bigger one, is the one they demonize and throw to their slathering base.
IronLionZion
(45,704 posts)because their states probably need infrastructure
GB_RN
(2,456 posts)And FIX the damned debt ceiling, permanently! Screw this annual/biannual game of chicken.
FakeNoose
(33,010 posts)WestMichRad
(1,354 posts)N/t
Warpy
(111,529 posts)They'd have struggled to get up to 60 if it had not.
If only they could do that for our right to vote.
Celerity
(43,929 posts)TNNurse
(6,938 posts)Is TN the only state where both GOP senators voted no???
I want to apologize for the idiots who live here.
Tennessee is not alone. Cruz & Cronyn also voted no. It's all about politics with them. I don't know when people will open their eyes and see that Republicans, for the most part, do not care about the people who elected them to serve them and their needs. It's all about money and power. So sad.
TNNurse
(6,938 posts)ms liberty
(8,645 posts)Deminpenn
(15,310 posts)nt
Toomey voted No although you'd think his "Club for Growth" membership would mean he's for the economic growth this bill will provide.
stage left
(2,967 posts)Where are my smelling salts?
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)Oh myyyy, Lindsay just looooves being back in the inner circle!
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)keopeli
(3,530 posts)Apart from emergency, catastrophic funding (i.e. Covid, Great Recession during Bush, 9-11), the GQP has not been willing to compromise with Dems for decades. I'm not sure what this is, but I'm very suspicious.
Basically, we are handing Repukes a win that was unnecessary. We could have done it all in reconciliation. I understand that this was a campaign promise by Biden (to be bipartisan). I also understand that at least 2 Democratic Senators are Blue Dogs and we have a 50/50 Senate. But, back in 2009 when we had a 60/40 Senate, the Democrats were trying to do the exact same thing.
While I appreciate this anomaly and that it works to the benefit of our country, I can not help but be apprehensive about what deals have been made and what the future will be. I'll have to stew over this some more before I get a handle on my specific concerns.
But, I will say this: I am unable to get excited about this particular passage of a bill in the Senate. The House has yet to take it up and the Conference Committee has yet to be convened. In the end, this whole exercise could still be thwarted during the Joint Resolution, which will need all these Republicans to, once again, vote with the Democrats on this thing. I hate being so cynical, but there it is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of projects and how they'll change the lives of Americans across the nation? Revisit the real world this is all about and realize it's not all about handing Republicans a win. Get excited about what matters.
Like high speed broadband to all Americans. Do you care about uplifting and freeing people from structural exploitation and oppression? It's no coincidence at all that poorer areas are most likely to be without.
Internet connection will mean parents can get daily communications from teachers, they can work on line and attend classes at home, their children attend school remotely (from home!), the elderly and disabled will be able to shop, bank, pay bills, attend concerts, even visit their physicians from home. Incredible blessings for those who've never had them. And so much more.
Among the "more" is both increased flow of wealth from advantaged to disadvantaged areas and increase in property values.
Would you really choose to sacrifice all those people -- and the many tens of millions who'll benefit in many other ways, even cancel all our plans to build fighting climate change into new infrastructure -- to make sure Republicans couldn't claim some of the credit?
keopeli
(3,530 posts)If, in a few weeks/months, the bill passes the house, the Conference Committee does a good job, the Senate votes again to pass it with 60+ votes, the house votes to pass it again, and the President signs it, I'll be over the moon about the many benefits and blessings that this legislation affords. My cynicism is simply that, in my lifetime worth of experience, I would not be surprised at all to find that the Republicans refuse to vote for the final Senate legislation and use this episode to say they are so bipartisan by the Democrats just aren't fair.
Does that clarify what I'm saying? I'm right with you, Hortensis. I've just seen this movie too many times in my life to jump to the conclusion that the ending will be different than it ever has been in the last 40 years.
Thanks for being an optimist and reminding me of the great work our Dems are trying to do.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I don't forget or despise how it typically ends. We almost always get less than we try for in the beginning, but that's baked into sharing of power when what's become a corrupt, extremist party. Wins are still wins, not failures.
Not one Republican voted for the ACA after pledging to help pass it, of course, and we lost the public option in addition to altering other provisions, but we still created a national healthcare system that even incomplete and battered serves millions well.
Btw, having been here before, I refuse to spend many months tied up in knots. It's too nerve-wracking and it always turns out I didn't know what was going on off screen anyway. I tune in at the end to find out what we've gained to proceed with.
Btw, wasn't it nice of us to give McConnell and company the larger, reconciliation bill to attack viciously so their rabid base won't punish them for cooperating with the evil Democrats? We're just good people.
2naSalit
(87,096 posts)That both Idaho Senators voted for it. And I'm not surprised that the asshole R Senator from Montana did not vote for it.
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