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Takket

(21,611 posts)
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:26 AM Jul 2021

What about MY freedom? A short essay by Takket

This has been bugging me for some time now. Like a slow-motion car wreck, we have watched the delta variant sweep methodically across the USA. We know what it did to India, and now it is here.

I am the spouse of a disabled person, someone who spent over a year leaving the house for nothing but doctor's appointments while we waited for the vaccine, because they have many high risk factors for Covid death. I restricted my own movements for their benefit as well. Masking up (as required by my employer, which I'm grateful for), every day at work. I used curbside pickup options wherever possible to avoid exposing myself to other shoppers. We took no recreational trips. We celebrated the holidays last year over skype. I handed off thanksgiving dinner in ziplock containers to my parents in the parking lot.

Then the vaccine came, and we both hit refresh on the browser a thousand times over trying to get appointments. When one came up I got my spouse one first, because they needed it more than me. Then I got my appointment a week or so later. I had to leave work in the middle of the day and drive 25 miles in the wrong direction (away from my home) to get my shot, then drive back to work.

By late May and early June the numbers here in Michigan were virtually zero. We made plans for a vacation to Florida in September, and attended outdoor art fairs. I bought tickets to see my beloved Red Sox play the Tigers in Detroit next week, and will go with my father, and a best friend who is bringing his son. We mostly stopped masking, but I did wear one for a huge art fair with thousands of people. No one gave us a hard time about wearing a mask, though about 90% weren't wearing one. But this did not bother me. There were almost zero Covid cases still at this point, and the CDC told us we were safe.

My employer dropped the mask mandate, eventually, and for about two weeks I went without one at work.

This week, I started wearing one everywhere again. My employer still does not have a mandate back at work, but I feel like it is inevitable, and wearing the mask does not bother me physically.

This week, we also cancelled our trip to Florida in September. The numbers there are out of control, and the governor is actively working in all avenues to increase them. I simply cannot trust my health or that of my spouse to the decisions other people make. On the television I see report after report about vaccine hesitancy, and I see people with signs saying "my body my choice", something I know they are saying tongue and cheek to troll Democrats because most likely, they are anti-choice when it comes to a woman's right to choose.

And that brings me back to the question in my OP.

What about MY freedom? Why is it the only persons whose freedom and rights to go where they want and do what they want that seems to be of any relevance in all this is the people that don't want to wear masks or get the vaccine?

What about all the people like me who are again putting off a vacation? Who enjoyed being told by their employer you don't have to wear a mask or get a temperature screening, because we don't think it is necessary anymore? Who felt safe again going out into large gatherings of people and enjoying the things we remembered doing in 2019?

We all soldier on doing what is right, and what is recommended, silently in the background. Our sadness, that these restrictions imposed on our freedoms by our desire to not catch Covid or spread it to anyone else, is unknown and unheard in the media. We have listened to all the facts, heeded the warnings of all the experts, and rolled up our sleeves to do what must be done. And the result is that Delta is taking over the USA because as it turns out, only the freedoms of those that DON'T want to do the work, matter.

Let me be clear on something though. I oppose the idea of the government strapping people down and injecting them with a vaccine. That is dystopian. And I do not share the sentiment that the CDC "did the wrong thing" in dropping masking guidelines when they did. At the time they appeared to be no longer needed. That turned out to be wrong but NOT because they made the mistake over underestimating the virus. No, the mistake they made was overestimating how many Americans would do the right thing and get vaccinated.

The CDC believed the numbers were low and would continue to drop because we would get to the 70% of fully vaccinated people and achieve herd immunity. They were wrong, because the irresponsible are so much more selfish than we ever realized.

What we need now is an awakening of the corporate sector to help us out of this mess. This week, the news is encouraging. Many organizations are realizing that the irresponsible are cutting into their bottom line, and in the USA, if 600,000 dead people can't talk, money always will. Locally both the University of Michigan and Michigan State announced all faculty, staff and students must be vaccinated to attend this fall.

Nationally both Disney and Walmart have instituted vaccine requirements for their employees. Imagine a company like Disney that is surely seeing their bottom line drop through the floor as they try to recover from the pandemic, seeing vacation packages being cancelled right and left because people that might have felt safe a month ago being terrified to go to Florida now.

Are you a company that wants to get people back in the office? Start requiring the vaccine. Are you a restaurant that just can't seem to turn a profit because people still don't want to eat in? Start requiring proof of vaccine to eat there.

People who don't want the vaccine have the right to say no, but it is time to stop catering the whole of our society to their whim, especially since it is literally killing people. It is time to stop losing OUR freedoms because THEY don't want to help, and pretending that their opinions are the only ones that matter. Just because the rest of us aren't loud and obnoxious about our desires to get back to normal doesn't mean we don't have them. They don't have to get the vaccine but we shouldn't all have to suffer because of it.

If you don't want the vaccine you can skip going to college this year. You can get drive through instead of eating at a restaurant. You can miss out on the concert and stay home with your kids instead of taking them to Disney World. The rest of us did our part so we could go back to living our lives, and it shouldn't be us that once again bears the burden of cleaning up the completely avoidable mess that you have made.

It didn't have to be this way with delta. We had the tools needed to stop it in its tracks, and it is not my fault that the unvaccinated crowd refuses to use them.

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What about MY freedom? A short essay by Takket (Original Post) Takket Jul 2021 OP
Agree 100%. If incentives aren't working, Ocelot II Jul 2021 #1
Exactly. If carrot doesn't work, you've got to go to the stick. paleotn Jul 2021 #8
Agreed, but what if unvaccinated pretend they are vaccinated? pandr32 Jul 2021 #12
There are ways to do it electronically IronLionZion Jul 2021 #13
Maybe we should have an app done pandr32 Jul 2021 #38
Vaccine ID's BlueKentuckyGirl Jul 2021 #21
Ive done the same. pandr32 Jul 2021 #39
K&R PatSeg Jul 2021 #2
KNR plus a gazillion. niyad Jul 2021 #3
Maybe an end date for the free vaccine? pwb Jul 2021 #4
There are those who won't take the vaccine because it's free. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2021 #20
We really should follow France's example..... KS Toronado Jul 2021 #5
I totally agree. BlueKentuckyGirl Jul 2021 #23
The anti-maskers & anti-vaxxers constantly rage against COVID restrictions Martin Eden Jul 2021 #6
Exactly seta1950 Jul 2021 #7
you are 100% correct. barbtries Jul 2021 #9
We haven't gone anywhere either. We told the kids that once they were vaccinated AllyCat Jul 2021 #18
Excellent thread. "What we need now is an awakening of the corporate sector to help us out of this" erronis Jul 2021 #10
Push this through the corporate sector as a tax program 7wo7rees Jul 2021 #40
Absolutely! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #11
Well said Takket. Right on the money! Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #14
""I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, Sogo Jul 2021 #15
hey thanks for posting that... Takket Jul 2021 #22
+1. I'm also struck by the similarity to the endless parade of stories that tanyev Jul 2021 #16
Yours isn't important, they're all ME ME ME ME!!! Warpy Jul 2021 #17
Excellent essay Wild blueberry Jul 2021 #19
they wanted the right to party . goto sports events . etc . forget masks, AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #24
They remind me of the ultimate arsonist DFW Jul 2021 #25
I wanted SO much to not mask on the golf course nitpicker Jul 2021 #26
I'm a native Floridian, and I live in a red county near Tampa. Here's my take: Native Jul 2021 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author nitpicker Jul 2021 #28
I'm with you all the way. We had a blissful couple of weeks where we shared meals & socialized... Hekate Jul 2021 #29
If a company has the right... cannabis_flower Jul 2021 #30
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2021 #31
This needs to be more widely read. Can you trim it down to size for a LTTE ? eppur_se_muova Jul 2021 #32
Thank you. Your situation and mine are much the same. Silver Gaia Jul 2021 #33
What you said. Texaswitchy Jul 2021 #34
'I stood my ground' BlueWavePsych Jul 2021 #35
Massive tax hikes for the unvaccinated Dukkha Jul 2021 #36
Where's My Freedom? McKim Jul 2021 #37
Frankly, I disagree with you on one point: if you don't want the shot you have a right to say no calimary Jul 2021 #41
I absolutely respect your position. I'm pretty close to it Takket Aug 2021 #45
As a child I was deprived of the freedom to risk getting polio and small pox. hay rick Aug 2021 #42
Talkket Deuxcents Aug 2021 #43
Well stated samplegirl Aug 2021 #44

Ocelot II

(115,813 posts)
1. Agree 100%. If incentives aren't working,
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:31 AM
Jul 2021

maybe there need to be more disincentives. Like if you’re not vaccinated you can’t go anywhere or do anything.

pandr32

(11,605 posts)
12. Agreed, but what if unvaccinated pretend they are vaccinated?
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:11 PM
Jul 2021

How will we know? The only way I see is to have to present our vaccination cards everywhere. If you don't have one you cannot enter or attend.

IronLionZion

(45,510 posts)
13. There are ways to do it electronically
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:20 PM
Jul 2021

My HMO has it on record so I can show it on my smartphone. CLEAR and other services like that offer electronic records. The simplest way is to save a photo of your card on your phone, if you don't want to lose your physical card.

Of course people will lie. People lie about everything. The US doesn't have a centralized database to prove vaccination status because of opposition from conservatives and red states.

BlueKentuckyGirl

(402 posts)
21. Vaccine ID's
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:52 PM
Jul 2021

I have no problem with that. To make it easy to carry, I took a picture of my vaccination card. It is on my phone and I pretty much have my phone with me everywhere I go.

pwb

(11,287 posts)
4. Maybe an end date for the free vaccine?
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jul 2021

Then extend the free vaccine again. Pukes are easy to fool.
Very nice talk here Takket. Thanks for the time.

20. There are those who won't take the vaccine because it's free.
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:51 PM
Jul 2021

Perhaps if we charged them $100 a dose they'd get a shot. It would be the exact same vaccine, except it would cost to get a shot. You and I know it's stupid to do that, but we also think these people are stupid anyway.

KS Toronado

(17,303 posts)
5. We really should follow France's example.....
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jul 2021

If you want to get into any indoor public place (restaurants, movies, etc)
you need to show your vaccination card, otherwise stay away from healthy people.

Martin Eden

(12,874 posts)
6. The anti-maskers & anti-vaxxers constantly rage against COVID restrictions
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:28 AM
Jul 2021

But THEY are most to blame for the necessity of extending restrictions on public gatherings and bringing back mask mandates.

Idiots are curtailing "freedom" for themselves and everyone else.

barbtries

(28,810 posts)
9. you are 100% correct.
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jul 2021

they don't give a rat's ass about freedom. it's about owning the libs. the freedom they love, that trump gave them, is the freedom to be misogynistic, racist, hateful bigots, and proud of it.

I'm going to CA next week. I am bitter because I planned so carefully. I could have gone any time after 2 weeks post vaccination in February, but silly me thought things would be so much better by now. And I am going. I haven't seen my son or grandchildren in over 1 1/2 years, and even if there was no COVID I'm not gonna live forever.

it does burn me to a crisp. some of these covidiots are people i love.

AllyCat

(16,215 posts)
18. We haven't gone anywhere either. We told the kids that once they were vaccinated
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:39 PM
Jul 2021

We would go on a trip! Bought plane tickets, reserved a hotel, contacted friends to visit.

Dammit we are going. I’m so sick of the idiots that refuse to do the work. Refuse to help. Are only in it for themselves.

erronis

(15,326 posts)
10. Excellent thread. "What we need now is an awakening of the corporate sector to help us out of this"
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:53 AM
Jul 2021

"What we need now is an awakening of the corporate sector to help us out of this mess. This week, the news is encouraging. Many organizations are realizing that the irresponsible are cutting into their bottom line, and in the USA, if 600,000 dead people can't talk, money always will. Locally both the University of Michigan and Michigan State announced all faculty, staff and students must be vaccinated to attend this fall."

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
40. Push this through the corporate sector as a tax program
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 07:35 PM
Jul 2021

Incentivize the owners. Make them force the idiots at the skull flag factory, like Trae says.
Fail to report and be levied a steep fine ($5,000 per employee). Start with Shooters Grill.

Sogo

(4,992 posts)
15. ""I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life,
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jul 2021

....my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us.”


A quote credited to Macron, but it's actually from an Italian journalist:


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Takket

(21,611 posts)
22. hey thanks for posting that...
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:53 PM
Jul 2021

i was actually going to quote Macron but when I looked it up I found on line that it had been debunked that he said this, but I did not know someone actually HAD said this, just not Macron.

Anyway, it is a great quote!

tanyev

(42,598 posts)
16. +1. I'm also struck by the similarity to the endless parade of stories that
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jul 2021

focus on the Trump voter. Essentially, some wide-eyed reporter asking “Is there anything that would change your mind about this narcissistic monster?” And the answer is always no. There is nothing that would change their minds about the narcissistic monster. But Biden won by a 7 million vote margin. How about talking to people who didn’t vote for Trump and asking their opinion about how things are going?

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
17. Yours isn't important, they're all ME ME ME ME!!!
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jul 2021

Face masks are swampy and uncomfortable and that's the only thing they consider. They don't give a shit about you, your spouse, kids, or this country. Kill em all, let god sort 'em out, that's their philosophy in a nutshell.

The only thing that works on Chad and Karen is throwing them out of all indoor spaces.

They are all antisocial and don't belong around other people at present. It's too dangerous.

AllaN01Bear

(18,341 posts)
24. they wanted the right to party . goto sports events . etc . forget masks,
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:54 PM
Jul 2021

and you dont have the right to make me sick and or kill me . i dont have the right to give it to you and your 90 yo gma. id feel very guilty if she died . ps ive been vaxxed twice i still wear a mask in inclosed places with large groups of ppl.thats why they are trying to recall california gov. i will vote for him.

DFW

(54,434 posts)
25. They remind me of the ultimate arsonist
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jul 2021

The arsonist has the right to build a fire in his fireplace. Depending on local regulations where he or she lives, the arsonist can even build a fire in their back yard. The arsonist does NOT have the right to start fires in buildings, forests, gas stations, or oil refineries. The selfish anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are as selfish as the arsonist who isn't content with fires that don't extend beyond his fireplace.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
26. I wanted SO much to not mask on the golf course
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:16 PM
Jul 2021

I worked at the US Girls' Junior ((golf)) championship a couple of weeks ago. In 90 degree heat.

I managed to wrangle some shady spots on working days, and access to water, so it wasn't too bad.

Inside, the staff were wearing masks, but hardly anyone else was.

In the stroke play rounds, I spotted only two or three masked players out there.

I managed to keep my distance, but I SO wanted to "act normally".

Native

(5,943 posts)
27. I'm a native Floridian, and I live in a red county near Tampa. Here's my take:
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:18 PM
Jul 2021

1). DeathSantis is shooting himself in the foot with his "Don't Fauci My Florida" bullshit and his draconian measures prohibiting counties from implementing mask mandates, etc. You would think he'd understand simple concepts like if tourism is the number one industry in Florida (it is), and we become the Covid epicenter of the country (we are), that will be bad for tourism. Unfortunately, our governor doesn't care about our health or the state's; he only cares about his political aspirations and pandering to the base he thinks will help deliver the presidency to him.
2). The Base: These are people who would rather go to prison for torching your business or killing you or your employees than wear a mask in your establishment. And good luck firing someone who won't get vaccinated. If you think asking them to wear a mask will set them off (it will), imagine what would happen if you fired them for not getting the vaccine.
3). Conclusion: A national vaccine passport requirement needs to be implemented because of states like ours and the selfish, ignorant pricks who reside here.

Response to Takket (Original post)

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
29. I'm with you all the way. We had a blissful couple of weeks where we shared meals & socialized...
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 02:10 PM
Jul 2021

… several times in small groups with old friends, all of whom had eagerly embraced the vaccine. I went on a long lunch with my favorite SIL, who is a refusenik, and we hugged.

This all stopped abruptly this past week because my spouse is having a worrisome flare-up of a chronic condition — but it was coupled with the increasingly bad news about Delta.

I hunkered down for over a year, dammit. I missed saying goodby to my brother that died a year ago: our scattered siblings could not gather and still cannot gather.

I missed other human beings, and forgot how sheerly refreshing their physical presence can be. Having been reminded, it’s going to be doubly hard to go back.

Indeed, what about our freedoms? our rights?

That said — I am hoping that President Biden’s edicts about government employees and the military will have a strong effect. The corporate sector is beginning to awaken to the threat to their bottom line. Fingers crossed.

cannabis_flower

(3,765 posts)
30. If a company has the right...
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 03:28 PM
Jul 2021

To say I must pee in a cup to keep my job, they should have the right to say I have to get a vaccine to work there.

eppur_se_muova

(36,281 posts)
32. This needs to be more widely read. Can you trim it down to size for a LTTE ?
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 04:33 PM
Jul 2021

And go big -- submit not just your local paper, but WaPo, NYT, etc.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
36. Massive tax hikes for the unvaccinated
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 06:10 PM
Jul 2021

Since they are solely responsible for the burden on our crippled healthcare system, make them foot the bill. Also if they received the stimulus payouts, make them pay it back.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
37. Where's My Freedom?
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 06:43 PM
Jul 2021

Where's my freedom? I cancelled two trips planned for Spain in 2020. I didn't see my child and grandchildren for almost a year. I worried about my daughter the doctor getting COVID. Then I locked down for 10 months, and made plans after vaccination. I just cancelled two local trips and one to NYC. It is just not safe! I am semi locked down now, only going to the doctor and not shopping in person anymore until this blows over. Can't fly to see the grandkids so I am driving ten hours there and ten hours back. Time for the idiots to stay home!

calimary

(81,432 posts)
41. Frankly, I disagree with you on one point: if you don't want the shot you have a right to say no
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 09:39 PM
Jul 2021

I’m disagreeing with that more strongly every day. With a runaway virus that CAN AND DOES KILL, I don’t think it makes sense to let anybody wriggle their way out of it, for ANY reason. We all owe it to each other as well as ourselves, for the sake of public safety and the greater good. Seems to me we have to put selfishness aside. This is simple. This is not hard.

It’s come to that, seems to me.

We’re at a point where what the individual wants is increasing far outweighed by the needs of the larger group. And anyone demanding to be exempted better damn well have an objectively, factually, independently-verified reason for it. And then maybe they need separate living arrangements with NO exceptions, until this is certifiably over.

It may have to get that way. More likely than not, thanks to the naysayers who just don’t seem to want to give up.

And I’m sorry to be turning into such a hard-ass on this. I wish I didn’t feel that way. I wish I could be more “understanding” and “patient,” but when it looks like sheer pigheadedness to me, all sympathy and kindness just kinda fade away.

hay rick

(7,636 posts)
42. As a child I was deprived of the freedom to risk getting polio and small pox.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 12:06 AM
Aug 2021

Embittered, I am prepared to deprive the current generation of the opportunity to contract and spread Covid-19. In a fit of pure spite, I also hope to reduce the pool of possible virus hosts to the point that the Epsilon variant will perish unborn.

Deuxcents

(16,301 posts)
43. Talkket
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 01:39 AM
Aug 2021

Your post is thoughtful and your message clear and expressed well. IMO
I also want to agree with another poster and hope you will submit this to be
Published. The Nation has a guest forum and others.. Mother Jones. Lots of sites and
Reaching more people. I hope to read it again. Ty

samplegirl

(11,489 posts)
44. Well stated
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 03:07 AM
Aug 2021

Welcome to our world of playing by the rules for a change.
I truly believe most of our governors will be ineffective this time around.

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