Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 as well as the fate of Roe v. Wade and VRA

[LetMyPeopleVote]

Everyone knew that the control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016. Jill Stein voters are responsible for today's ruling

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[mcar]

1. Many on DU at the time

Insisted SCOTUS wasn't important.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

4. I was not one of these posters

I supporter Hillary early and was a delegate to the National Convention. I knew that control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot. MoscowMitch was holding one SCOTUS seat opened at the time of the 2016 election.

[Hortensis]

22. Well, but no honest posters said that. We're not crazy whackjobs.

It wasn't many, just some particularly zealous cult followers and hostile populists grabbing at anything to argue their choices. And now that I remember, a few socialist-type extremists so alarmed by the threat of prosperity under Democrats that they pinned their hopes on a Trump presidency leading to national collapse. Presumably they're still hoping.

But even among Sanders' primary voters, 3/4 voted for Hillary in the GE as they always intended, and it was only a quarter of his followers who carried through.

[mcar]

48. It reflected a large enough social media group

Those who didn't vote, voted for Stein or wrote in another candidate ended up costing HRC more votes than what dotard won by.

[Hortensis]

50. Yes. We'll never know how many voters were swayed by their lies. nt

[mcar]

51. I'll always be angry about it

They bear at least some responsibility for where we are now.

[Hortensis]

55. There's something obviously wrong with people too divorced from reality

to know who's who or what's what, and long ago I just shrugged silly billies off.

But these days, with elections decided by such thin margins, anti-Democratic influencers and voters can give their RW counterparts the margin they need. If they did finally help the Republicans overthrow our democracy, along with national healthcare, Social Security, and all the rest they imagine they're the Only True Supporters of, they'd never understand what they'd done.

Oh, well. GOTV. We've always had to carry and babysit most of the nation as it is.

[mcar]

60. That's right. Remember the post ACA midterms

when Democrats didn't GOTV because the left was trashing the ACA and Obama all over the place.

[Hortensis]

70. Oh, yes! The ACA cost Dems 63 house seats, 63!, lost to the Republicans,

NOT to the anti-Democratic leftists who helped them do it. And the gerrymandered the nation Republican for a decade. Democrats are STILL paying the enormous costs of the backlash for creating the ACA.

[Demsrule86]

82. And from what I can tell many are still at it.

[Hortensis]

111. The 2016 disaster is STILL happening in 2021.

Those voters and refusers who still won't connect their dreadful mistakes of that election to the imminent threats to our democracy now never will. I'm afraid of what these people living in their own fact-free and responsibility-free worlds will do in future, just glad that at least most are on the right.

[lagomorph777]

136. I think there were a lot of bots, trolls, and hacks at DU in 2016.

No real DUers were saying that SCROTUS is unimportant. We're not insane.

Continuing to harp on a complaint about a specific crazy/foolish class of voters, who represented about 1% of the electorate 5 years ago, and who ARE NOT HERE, on the other hand...

[fescuerescue]

58. Perhaps. But it's not like DU make this decision

[kcr]

122. They claimed pointing out that SCOTUS was at stake was "scare tactics"

I will never forget.

[mcar]

124. That's right

and that they would "vote their conscience."

[betsuni]

128. While trying to scare the hell out of people with a cartoonish Hillary "Satan" Clinton

the Queen of the Establishment Status Quo Wall Street Warmongers villain so they wouldn't vote or vote third party.

[question everything]

2. And all the Democrats who just "could not bring themselves" to vote for Hillary

and stayed home or, worse, voted for Trump since he, too, was appealing to the "forgotten" voters.

[ColinC]

3. Jill Stein voters in swing stares

Those in non swing states did nothing of the sort

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for the former guy and to gut Roe v. Wade

[ColinC]

8. In swing states

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Do you tire of being wrong?

All idiots who voted for Jill Stein helped her cause. Any idiot who voted for Jill Stein or who donated to her (Putin was evidently also helping) are responsible for the current composition of the SCOTUS

[ColinC]

27. How many electoral college votes did Jill Stein get?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. Here are facts for you to ignore

First, sein voters were the margin of victory in the three key states that TFG won

Link to tweet

Second, Putin used Stein and sanders voters to great effect

Link to tweet

?s=20

Here is why trump is POTUS http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

Bernie Sanders supporters switched their allegiance to Donald Trump in large enough numbers last November to sway the election for the real estate billionaire, according to an analysis of voter data released Tuesday by the blog Political Wire. Since Trump’s shock victory over Hillary Clinton, much discussion has focused on the degree to which passionate Sanders supporters’ refusal to embrace Clinton led to the Republican winding up in the White House.

Here is some more https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

About 12 percent of Bernie Sanders supporters from the Democratic primary crossed party lines and voted for Donald Trump in the general election, a new analysis says.

In several key states — Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan — the number of Sanders to Trump defectors were greater than Trump’s margin of victory, according to new numbers released Wednesday by UMass professor Brian Schaffner.

Link to tweet

[ColinC]

35. In swing states, I agree

That argument cannot be made for other states.

[Cha]

39. Thanks for the Reality Check. this is NOT about "EC"

votes as anybody can see.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15582090

[betsuni]

52. +1

[Cha]

37. "Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016."

Link to tweet

But first up: Did Jill Stein, the Green Party’s nominee, cost Clinton the election? (Harry, give us the case for “yes” first.)

harry (Harry Enten, senior political writer): The case, as far as I see it, is twofold: First, the number of votes cast for Stein in the three states that proved to be pivotal (Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) exceeded Trump’s margin of victory over Clinton.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/

[Demsrule86]

83. The number of votes The Russian Princess- Jill Stein- in Wisconsin and other

midwestern states would have given Hillary the presidency. I say this with feeling...fuck fuck Jill Stein. She is part of the reason why TFG was elected. I will never forgive her or those who attacked Hillary Clinton. This includes Nina Turner- who by the way is a member of the People's Party. She is not a Democrat.

[The Magistrate]

6. Bullshit, Sir

They lent strength and cover to the ridiculous disparagement of Mrs. Clinton as some sort of semi-criminal queen of corruption and inveterate war-monger who would be in fact far worse than Trump.

Fuck them where they breathe.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

34. Agreed

This SCOTUS ruling is really bad. We have to prove intent to discriminate. Under this ruling the Texas voter id law would be legal. Chad Dunn (a friend who is general counsel for the Texas Democratic Party) worked very hard to gut the Texas voter id law

[Thunderbeast]

7. Progressives have to start voting like adults!

The choice in 2016 was NEVER between Jill Stein and anyone else.

Political purity gave the radical right FIVE Supreme Court seats in twenty years.

If the children of the Democratic Party (who voted for Nader) had used their brains in 2000:

No Iraq War

No John Roberts

No Sam Alito

No overturn of the Voting Rights Act

No Citizen's United

No Tax cuts for the rich

Possibly no 9/11

Voting is a pragmatic exercise. Political purity while tilting at windmills usually takes you to dark places. It does no good to complain when YOU KNOW that there IS a difference between the party's nominees. To pretend otherwise is childish and foolish.

Imagine what a 7-2 Liberal Supreme Court would mean!

[luv2fly]

9. This post is bullshit and meant to cause division

It's time to move on, 2016 has long passed.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. So the SCOTUS did not gut the voting rights act?

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The SCOTUS has a case on the docket next term to gut Roe v. Wade. Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 and we are seeing the results of poorly informed voters supporting Jill stein or idiots who believe that the DNC selected Hillary Clinton.

[luv2fly]

71. Not so sure it's helpful calling fellow Democrats idiots

People who didn't vote for Hillary had a variety of reasons, it's all old news. Dredging it up only brings up old hurts, and what's the point other than bitching?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

76. People who did not vote for Hillary are the reason why the SCOTUS gutted the remainder of the VRA

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I volunteer a great deal of time on voter protection efforts. It is going to be very difficult to fight new GOP voter suppression efforts due to the voters who refused to vote for Clinton. Today's ruling allows GOP controlled states to use the concept of voter fraud without proof of voter fraud to justify voter suppression

Link to tweet

I can assure that I will be active in fighting GOP voter suppression efforts. This fight would be easier if people had not voter for Jill Stein in 2016 and helped the GOP get a 6 to 3 majority on the SCOTUS

I was hoping that the recent SCOTUS decision would help get the Manchin proposal adopted by exempting it from the filibuster. Prof. Hasen is not sure that this will work

Link to tweet

[luv2fly]

80. Which includes all sorts of folks

Trump voters, non-voters, Stein voters, etc. It's not one group and I'll simply end by saying this thread has done nothing other than cause more division. Great.

[George II]

79. I didn't see anyone call "fellow Democrats" idiots, or anyone idiots. But if they were Jill Stein...

...voters they were instrumental in the flipping of the Supreme Court and today's decision.

[NurseJackie]

103. Nobody said that. Nobody is doing that.

Not so sure it's helpful calling fellow Democrats idiots

Nobody said that. Nobody is doing that.

it's all old news

Yes, it's "old"... but it did happen. And people still want to gloss-it-over and pretend that it didn't happen. Why? What good purpose does it serve to live in THAT fantasy world? Folks need to face reality and examine the part they played in it. People need to ask themselves if they made things better or worse... or if they didn't bother to do anything at all.

Dredging it up only brings up old hurts

Nobody is doing that. But I can tell you that pointed reminders that elections-have-consequences is a damned effective way to avoid making similar mistakes in the future.

what's the point other than bitching?

Look around. I think that question has already been answered. I guess the OP has struck a very sensitive nerve with more than one poster around here, eh?

[Politicub]

36. Cut people some slack. The Supreme Court decision today opened old wounds.

People are venting. While we can't go back to the past and change anything, 2016 is still fresh in many of our minds.

[Cha]

42. No, it's political history & too bad it makes

some uncomfortable.

[lagomorph777]

125. Yes, nobody here voted for Susan Sarandon or Jill Stein.

The idiotic 1% who did, are not here to see the endless whining.

[Aristus]

10. The rage in my heart towards the "I just don't like Hillary" self-proclaimed progressives

is just second to the fury I feel towards all those brainless meat-puppets who proudly declared that they voted for TFG to "shake things up!..."

[MountainMama]

28. Absolutely!

I still think about a woman who said she was "going to sit back and enjoy the shitshow." She said she was sorry "my girl" lost. I said she wasn't "my girl," that I was voting for the Supreme Court and women's rights.

Words can't fully describe my emotions. Rage and fury, certainly. Frustration. It's a lot.

[XanaDUer2]

127. Enjoy the shitshow?

dear God. Did she catch covid 19?

Oh, he shook things up alright.

[MountainMama]

137. Don't know....

Last I heard she had scammed her way into staying with another activist Facebook friend of mine and then not paid rent. I hope she called the cops on her.

She's just not a good person.

[leftstreet]

11. The DNC was shortsighted running Hillary

Regardless of how anyone here feels about Hillary Clinton, she was the wrong candidate for the time. The rightwing noise machine had decades to vilify her and her only chance was..well, when Obama got the nomination instead

[LetMyPeopleVote]

12. You are wrong

I know that there is a nasty myth that the DNC selected Hillary Clinton. Those pushing that myth are helping Putin and TFG. I find this myth to be so wrong that it is sad

Hillary Clinton was the most qualified person to run for POTUS other than Joe Biden. It was Putin and his operation who hurt Clinton and helped Stein.

Anyone who voted for Jill Stein needs to account for their stupidity and arrogance. I hope that Sarandon, Michael Moore and their ilk are ready to apologize for their arrogance and stupidity

[leftstreet]

13. You're actually right

I'm not sure there's ever been a more qualified candidate than Clinton

That's not the issue. Consultants and party people missed the writing on the wall. She was not liked.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

16. Yes Putin was more effective that we thought

I was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 National Convention and I saw first had the effect of the use of altered or stolen DNC emails had at the convention. I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when we had a mini riot when sanders delegates demanded that we condemn Clinton and vote for sanders

Putin got his money worth.

[Caliman73]

29. She got more votes than President Obama got in the primary.

She was liked by many. She was unfairly painted by others, and the role of sexism is very underrated in the 2016 election.

[betsuni]

54. Her approval rating was 64% in 2013. Voted Most Admired Woman for 17 years. She was liked.

Wasn't until people were told not to like her that they didn't like her, for vague reasons or because they believed lies about her.

[leftstreet]

56. But that didn't get her to 2016

You're not wrong. Hillary contempt was indeed vague, manufactured, and just plain creepy.

My point was she, her political allies, her paid advisors, etc should have opened their eyes and ears.

A Most Admired Woman with a 64% Approval Rating shouldn't lose the office of the presidency to a game show host.

[betsuni]

69. But nobody knew the future. So many unprecedented things happened.

First election after the Voting Rights Act was gutted; Donald Trump as the nominee who made the election about white identity, the myth that whites voted because of economic insecurity and not racism (no, the economy did not become worse under Obama); social media flooded with propaganda (which made third party anti-Democrats seem more numerous than they were); two populist anti-establishment candidates who called Hillary establishment, elite, corrupt, racist, evil; the press obsessing about emails, giving Trump more airtime, never mentioning policy (only 10% of all MSM coverage), never following up on all his scandals, never called him "a game show host"; the Comey letter coming out of the blue right before the election.

If I could've advised Hillary about running I'd tell her not to do it. Too grueling, too long, think about your health. And it's hard to win after your party has just had eight years in power. She ran a good campaign and almost won. Most progressive platform in history, she had good policies and lots of plans for the future. Trump ran a ridiculous campaign and people voted for him for various bad reasons.

Joe Biden didn't travel all around swing states, didn't do lots of rallies, had about the same platform as in 2016. Didn't win by a landslide, in swing states was pretty close I think. Losing 2016 wasn't about Hillary. The goal was to make it all about her as a fictional villain. The Democratic base didn't fall for it. They know her.

[Demsrule86]

85. It wasn't just the Republicans...there was much mud slinging from the left/ Greens which

destroyed her candidacy. And for what? The primary wasn't even close.

[betsuni]

90. For a fantasy populist "revolution."

[StevieM]

65. She left office with a 69 percent job approval, 66 percent personal favorability.

She had sky high numbers for many years and was actually the most popular public figure in America. Then she got swift boated.

It is amazing how that has been written out of the history books.

[Voltaire2]

31. Qualified does not mean electable.

TFG was perhaps the most unqualified major party candidate in history, and yet he was very electable.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

93. Putin was very effective and got his moneys worth

Link to tweet

[Voltaire2]

101. And yet the invincible Putin couldn't beat Biden.

Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate?

[betsuni]

102. Four years after 2016, they knew very well about Russian interference.

In 2016 and 2017 it was still being treated like a conspiracy theory.

[tritsofme]

18. The DNC didn't select Hillary, Democratic primary voters did.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

19. The claim that the DNC selected Hillary is one of the lies Putin used effectively

I am sad to see people agree with Putin's lies and push these lies. Putin leaked emails (some altered) just before the 2016 National Convention and pushed the lie that the DNC selected Hilarry

I urge people to stop pushing Putin's lies

[uponit7771]

57. This is a misunderstanding of how primaries work

[leftstreet]

59. No, I get how they work

Maybe it would be easier if I'd stated...

After careful consideration and a reading of the tea leaves between her, her political allies, the DNC, her paid advisors, her family, etc, she should have dropped out.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

61. How?

This statement makes no sense. The DNC does not run primaries. States run the primaries. BTW a large percentage of sanders delegates were won in un democratic caucuses. We are fortunate that the Democratic Party has eliminated a good number of caucuses for the 2020 race and should eliminate the rest before 2028

[StevieM]

66. The DNC didn't run anyone.

They had no input. The voters selected Hillary and there was nothing that the DNC could do to make that happen, assuming they even wanted to.

[uponit7771]

72. +1, more of the ... DNC ... chose HRC vs the voters did crap

[LetMyPeopleVote]

116. There are congressional candidates who pushed the Putin lie on DNC selecting Hillary

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The Putin lie that the DNC selected Hillary was pushed by a candidate who is running for Congress

Link to tweet

[uponit7771]

117. Yep,

[betsuni]

118. +1

[Demsrule86]

84. She won the primary. Millions voted for her. And I heard this same shit in 15 and 16. The

DNC doesn't "pick" or "run" a candidate. We had a primary and millions voted.

[leftstreet]

86. Okay. Millions of people chose the wrong candidate then n/t

[LetMyPeopleVote]

91. Actually they picked the best candidate running

The lie that Clinton was pushed by the DNC is a Putin talking point. Why are Russian talking points being pushed on DU?

[betsuni]

92. I just saw TYT say that wealthy donors chose Kamala Harris as VP.

Wealthy donors/corporations/Wall Street pick up the phone and tell the DNC who to anoint as candidates and they do it. Like ordering a take out pizza.

Little different from 2016 when the DNC was an evil all-powerful authoritarian organization that would stop at nothing to destroy anything progressive. Now taking extremely progressive Kamala Harris pizza orders.



Nina Turner was a DNC superdelegate, until they became fictional super villains for propaganda purposes.

[betsuni]

100. Conspiracy theory. "Easily the most ridiculous argument this year was that the DNC

was some sort of monolith that orchestrated the nomination of Hillary Clinton against the will of 'the people.' ... The DNC, like the RNC, is an impotent organization with very little power. It is composed of the chair and vice chair of the Democratic parties of each state, along with over 200 members elected by Democrats. ... it has no authority to coordinate spending with any candidate until the party's nominee is selected. This is why then-president Richard Nixon reacted with incredulity when he heard that some of his people had ordered a break-in at the DNC offices at the Watergate; he couldn't figure out what information anyone would want out of such a toothless organization."

The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election (number one: myth of the all-powerful DNC)

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

112. So you're arguing the DNC not Hillary's voters nominated her?

That's silly.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

17. Ari Berman is correct

Link to tweet

[George II]

20. Remember, in the fall of 2016 Sarandon said that trump would bring the revolution sooner...

Hate to say it, but she was correct. But not in the way she was thinking.

This all falls in the laps of her, Jill Stein, and others who bashed Hillary Clinton and refused to vote for her OR wound up voting for trump. It's all on them.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

113. Sarandon is another poster child for white privilege

[lagomorph777]

21. Explain to me how castigating the voters of 5 years ago helps us today?

Jill Stein seems to occupy a lot of rent-free space in some heads around here...

[LetMyPeopleVote]

23. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

There are some who did not consider the control of the SCOTUS to be important. MoscowMitch held a nomination open for over a year because he knew that control of the SCOTUS. Putin started the DNC selected Hillary Clinton lie and people are repeating that lie

We have a candidate running for Congress right now who campaigned for and voted for Jill Stein. The same candidate also pushed the lie that the DNC selected Hillary Clinton

Link to tweet

We should not repeat mistakes and take control of the SCOTUS seriously The current ruling on the Voting Rights Act is a big deal and will hurt us in trying to block GOP voter suppression. This passage from today's opinion makes me sick

Link to tweet

[lagomorph777]

24. I think we all know the history. Now you're just repeating it...

ad nauseum.

[George II]

25. It's not repeating the history, it's reminding us of what happened in history, hoping people....

....learned from that and won't repeat history.

[Cha]

45. Then don't read it.. it's not going to be buried

just bc it makes some uncomfortable.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

62. Hillary tried to warn us

Link to tweet

[Cha]

44. Rt TY.. That pisses me the hell off.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

78. Due to stein voters and sanders voters who voted for TFG, the VRA has been gutted

Link to tweet

[Cha]

81. Rt TY!

[Caliman73]

33. It isn't "castigating". It is reminding people that when they consider their vote...

They need to see the bigger picture, not just their own prejudices.

We are not dealing with minor shifts in policy anymore, like in the 70's, 80's, and even 90's. We are dealing with a fundamental shift in values. The idea of Trump should have scared any decent person enough to set aside their prejudices about Hillary Clinton. It isn't even about Stein. It is about not understanding the fundamental threat that an idiot like Trump posed to the nation.

Do you honestly think that 600,000 + people would be dead from COVID if Clinton had been elected?

It is a reminder that if and when the next ideal candidate goes down in the primary to maybe a center left or centrist candidate, that the Democratic candidate is still infinitely better than any Republican.

[lagomorph777]

41. OK. Let's point that out. If the choice is centrist Dem vs Reptilian (or sitting it out),

voters need to do the right thing.

Statements like this will just alienate your intended audience:
"Do you honestly think that 600,000 + people would be dead from COVID if Clinton had been elected?"

Honestly, that's just offensive. Nobody on DU would ever think such a thing.

[SunImp]

95. I don't think they care if they alienate people with all this.

[SunImp]

94. It helps ETERNALLY Petty people sleep at night I guess

I'd add Bernie and the Squad to that too.

[kcr]

123. Oh, well

Get used to it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

134. The Voting Rights Ruling Is Worse Than It Seems

Due to Jill Stein voters and sanders voters who voted for TFG, the Voting Rights Act has been gutted https://politicalwire.com/2021/07/08/the-voting-rights-ruling-is-worse-than-it-seems/

Rick Hasen: “It’s been almost a week since the Supreme Court issued its most significant ruling on voting rights in nearly a decade, and each time I read Justice Samuel Alito’s majority opinion in Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee, the angrier I become. I’m angry not only about what the court did but also about how much of the public does not realize what a hit American democracy has taken.”

“In an opinion thick with irony, Justice Alito turned back the clock on voting rights to 1982. His decision for a six-justice conservative court majority reopens the door to a United States in which states can put up roadblocks to minority voting and engage in voter suppression with few legal consequences once a state has raised tenuous and unsupported concerns about the risk of voter fraud.”

Casting a vote for TFG or Stein as a protest has a cost

[lagomorph777]

135. It is a terrible ruling; we all know that.

Voters for Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, or Turd do not hang out at DU.

Not sure who you're addressing with these posts.

[jalan48]

26. This is like a company blaming the consumers for not buying its product. A losing strategy IMHO.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

77. You do know that Putin targeted sanders and Stein voters

Putin used Stein and sanders voters to great effect

Link to tweet

This disinformation campaign worked

Link to tweet

[Voltaire2]

30. We needed a better candidate who could beat shithead.

Like for example Joe Biden

[TheRickles]

38. Post-election surveys have shown that a large portion of Stein and Nader voters

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would have sat out the election altogether if their candidate wasn't running. So the Green candidates didn't steal votes from the Dems, they just motivated another demographic to get out and vote that would otherwise have not voted at all. Time to stop blaming the Greens for Dem's failures.

And I agree with the earlier poster - the current SC composition has more to do with McConnell gaming the system and blocking two Dem nominees than it has to do with Jill Stein.

[Earth-shine]

49. +1

[Demsrule86]

87. Bullshit...self serving polls if you ask me.

[TheRickles]

104. If the choice is between your opinion or CNN's analysis of exit polls.....

https://shadowproof.com/2012/08/26/debunking-pathological-myths-of-the-2000-election-part-1-cnn-exit-polls-prove-that-nader-did-not-cost-gore-fl/

[PortTack]

40. Just as many DU'ers did I begged cajoled and pleaded with ppl to remember SCOTUS

This is a sad day...one of many.

We must right this wrong

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. Better to focus on what should be done NOW, not in 2016

There is a battle for voting rights, NOW.

To find voting rights events and activities in your area, and to learn what you can do NOW to protect democracy, go to:

Indivisible.org

[LetMyPeopleVote]

74. I have been volunteering on voter protection efforts for a very long time

I was in Florida for the Kerry Edwards voter protection team and have been in voter protection war rooms every since. I am part of a group forming a statewide Democratic Lawyers Association and we will be active on voter protection and redistricting issues.

IN 2014, I worked with the DNC and the Texas Democratic Party on some voter id issues. 2014 was the only year that the Texas voter id/voter suppression law was in effect before it was gutted and you can see the effect of this law

Greg Abbott could not prove the existence of in person voter impersonation fraud in Texas. Today's ruling allows GOP controlled states to use the concept of voter fraud without proof of voter fraud to justify voter suppression

Link to tweet

I can assure that I will be active in fighting GOP voter suppression efforts. This fight would be easier if idiots had not voter for Jill Stein in 2016 and helped the GOP get a 6 to 3 majority on the SCOTUS

I was hoping that the recent SCOTUS decision would help get the Manchin proposal adopted by exempting it from the filibuster. Prof. Hasen is not sure that this will work

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Demsrule86]

88. It still continues. Look how Biden was attacked and is currently attacked by groups that are

supposed to be allies.

[Fiendish Thingy]

110. Choices: 1) waste time & energy fretting about "attacks from allies" or

2) use that same energy, time and resources to fight for passage of voting rights.

I pick #2.

[11 Bravo]

121. I'll go with #3.

The fucking alleged "allies" stop attacking a Democratic President.

[Pepsidog]

46. SCOTUS was the only issue for me in 2016. It was a devastating blow.

[Cha]

47. "Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016."

Link to tweet

But first up: Did Jill Stein, the Green Party’s nominee, cost Clinton the election? (Harry, give us the case for “yes” first.)

harry (Harry Enten, senior political writer): The case, as far as I see it, is twofold: First, the number of votes cast for Stein in the three states that proved to be pivotal (Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) exceeded Trump’s margin of victory over Clinton.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/

Not getting buried just bc it makes some uncomfortable.

[peppertree]

53. They would've cheated her regardless

4 states (3, under Tea Party control) - all with razor-thin margins, and irregularities galore.

[Sympthsical]

63. Why don't Gary Johnson voters ever get shit?

It's always Jill Stein, Jill Stein, Jill Stein, Sarandon Sarandon Sarandon, Kaaaaahhhhhn!

There are plenty of pot-smoking liberals who vote libertarian. With margins that small, why not let them in for some bollocking?

But the Left is ever the villain. And I'll just note it's always women or PoCs who get the brunt of the ire in it.

There has been and will always be some small percentage that votes third party. But that small percentage is NOTHING compared to the people who sat on their asses and didn't vote.

Instead of going after a small amount of people, why not go after them?

I mean, I know the answer. Some people just live to bash the Left.

Stein was a problem, but she was nowhere near the biggest one. Some people just like the excuse. Same ones who hate AOC, Bernie, and all the rest. The Left must be a villain.

I mean, it's not exactly a secret.

[StevieM]

67. Agreed. Johnson took more votes from Hillary than Stein did.

And I don't like talking too much about either of them because I feel like it is letting James Comey off the hook for what he did.

[Demsrule86]

89. Stein campaigned in areas where she could do the most damage and it is her votes in blue

wall states that cost us the election...and Trump barely won...I am furious about this and will never get over it.

[StevieM]

99. I don't disagree but we should not ignore James Comey destroying our candidate over nonsense. (eom)

[Sympthsical]

108. Right?

Just Jill Stein? That's what we're going with?

Feels more a reflection of personal bias than an objective reading of causes.

[StevieM]

114. I don't think the reading of causes has been terribly accurate either.

The media has completely overblown certain factors as reasons for her loss, or to trash her campaign. This was not a terrible campaign like Dukakis or McGovern.

The evidence makes it clear to me that James Comey dominated that election from start to finish. He completely destroyed our candidate through his illegitimate tactics.

[fescuerescue]

106. Because he tends to hurt the other side

Honestly I don't get all this bitterness. Why not have a pity party about 2000? Or 1986? Fat lot of good it will do.

Elections are lost about half the time. That is unlikely to change because when one a party get to far out of touch, it re-adjusts. We lost about half the past elections. we'll lose about half the future elections.

It's when a party NEVER loses that we have real problems.

These 3rd parties candidates over the long term help the mainstream candidates and parties. They are essentially test feeders for new ideas that eventually gets pulled into the mainstream left or right (or rejected outright)

And most of the people that don't vote, aren't people we want to vote.

The system is working as designed.

Yes it sucks to lose sometimes. But winning makes up for it.

[Sympthsical]

107. Yeah, this horse has been flayed into oblivion

There are eight million factors for why 2016 went the way it did. But this tiny percentage is the one that gets called out over and over and over.

No one else. Just them.

Feels agenda driven rather than any kind of dispassionate analysis.

[W_HAMILTON]

64. Fuck them forever. Never let them forget what they did to our country.

PS - Vote for and support Shontel Brown.

[StevieM]

68. I don't disagree with the point being made, but it tends to overshadow what Comey did.

James Comey dominated that election from start to finish. Had it not been for his illegitimate actions Hillary would have destroyed Trump.

[rockfordfile]

73. I agree to a point

[LetMyPeopleVote]

75. Ari Berman-We need to fight GOP Voter Suppression now

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

96. "How we voted is not as important as that we voted. Head & heart at odds for many."

[iemanja]

98. and everyone else who voted for anyone but Hillary. nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

133. For this thread

Link to tweet

[fescuerescue]

105. Losing elections suck. It happens about half the time.

That's unlikely to change.

2000 really sucked. So did 2004. 2008 was great. 2012 was better. 2016 sucked. 2020 was good.

The point is that we have to make use of the time we have.


And in the rare events like 2008 when we have total control of the Presidency, House AND senate. We really need to make it count.

Those happen rarely.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

115. Clinton would not have lost but for Jill Stein and sanders voters

Link to tweet

[fescuerescue]

126. It happens

There is nothing to indicate that those people would have voted for Clinton. In fact it's quite unlikely.

They might have stayed home. They might have voted for someone we never heard of. They might have voted for Trump.

All we know is that they didn't feel that they should vote for Clinton. Because they didn't.

[SunImp]

130. Thank you! You are the only here speaking logically and rationally

[Kahuna]

109. SCOTUS and redistricting. nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

119. The Voting Rights Act has been gutted due to this stupidity

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

120. Yes. Thank you.

[DFW]

129. And yet we still see posts cheering on Nina Turner here

With a straight face, no less.

Not that she fooled me the first time around.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

131. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for the former guy and to gut Roe v. Wade

[LetMyPeopleVote]

132. "The Supreme Court's Conservatives Have Laid the Groundwork for the Devastation to Come"

The control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 and now we will see the consequences of not voting for the Democratic nominee, voting for TFG or voting for Jill Stein

Link to tweet

Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern on Slate:

Until about a week ago, we heard a lot of media stories of a confounding and unpredictable court, with improbable lineups and unlikely bedfellows. And sure, there has been a lot of that. But Thursday saw a change in narrative with the thunking down of two cases that seemed to poke at the very fabric of democracy; a one-two punch that took aim at Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act and the ability to challenge election laws that burden racial minorities, and seemingly opened the floodgate to unaccountable and untraceable dark money flooding into a system that is already drowning in it. It almost defies comprehension that a Supreme Court that devoted so much energy, all year long, to appearing removed from partisan politics, chose the very last day of the term to let us know that when the rubber hits the road, partisan politics is what matters.