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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 07:38 AM Jun 2021

From The Guardian: 'The case for Brexit was built on lies.

Last edited Sun Jun 27, 2021, 12:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Five years later, deceit is routine in our politics. written by Will Hutton

from article: After five years, the biggest casualties of Brexit are in plain sight. Integrity and decency in public life are crumbling. Because so much of the case for Brexit is false, the political modus operandi of the Brexiters, now dominating our political culture, has become a refusal to accept responsibility for mistakes, overclaiming, deceit and sometimes outright lies to justify the unjustifiable. Once the electorate can no longer trust what they are told, democratic debate is denied. We have been robbed of a core right of citizenship.

It is a form of coup, but with a cloud of nationalist hyperbole disguising the threat to parliamentary democracy. To hold power, or challenge it, in a democracy requires continual argument and discussion, the precondition of which is a commitment to truth-telling and a shared acceptance of facts, however differently they may be interpreted. Trash those preconditions and we inevitably slide into a universe of division and distrust impervious to rational argument. We are all belittled.

It is as the Brexit right wants. Brexit has given it a cause and a political coalition that leaves it more firmly in control of power than at any time since peak Thatcherism. It is not only partisan rightwing policies – from the impending assault on public service broadcasting to the criminal failure to provide the additional teaching to compensate for Covid-induced teaching losses – it is the gerrymandering that favours the Tory interest.

Voter suppression; rendering the Electoral Commission even more toothless; ensuring all trustees and chairs of public bodies are Conservative; weakening judicial review; abolishing the Fixed-term Parliaments Act; eliminating any proportionality in the voting system for mayors; not accepting the doctrine of ministerial accountability. And all couched in a language of defiant nationalism so that critics can be dismissed as unBritish friends of the foreigner and outriders for wokedom.

Will Hutton is an Observer columnist'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/case-for-brexit-built-on-lies-five-years-later-deceit-is-routine-in-our-politics

Some snipping has occurred. This is a long, worthwhile read that supports my own understanding
of all things Brexit.

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From The Guardian: 'The case for Brexit was built on lies. (Original Post) abqtommy Jun 2021 OP
An important case studies. Hope the courts step up here - as they did last year. empedocles Jun 2021 #1
KNR and bookmrking. niyad Jun 2021 #2
They all got the same playbook at the same time. And the worst is that it worked. Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #3
I hate to day "I told you so." But I told you so. nt joetheman Jun 2021 #4
i wonder what part rw radio plays in rural areas there. it still works pretty well here, altho certainot Jun 2021 #5
Democrats need to Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #7
Yes, I've thought the same for quite awhile.. whathehell Jun 2021 #11
The only strong messaging the democrats have is the Lincoln Project. Jetheels Jun 2021 #13
Interesting thought. whathehell Jun 2021 #16
I have not seen much either recently so I looked up Lincoln project, here's a link if interested... Jetheels Jun 2021 #20
it would be very easy now with artificial intelligence to do a thorough monitoring certainot Jun 2021 #22
The Same People Who Were Behind This GB_RN Jun 2021 #6
Yes! Malcolm Nance said as much Beatlelvr Jun 2021 #12
Yep! zaj Jun 2021 #14
Yes, and I always understood that Russia was behind Brexit. ananda Jun 2021 #18
"Trash those preconditions..." William Seger Jun 2021 #8
The parallels to America are stunning. TheRickles Jun 2021 #9
Putin's Effort To Breakup The Western Alliance of Democracies zaj Jun 2021 #15
It is odd that none of this surprises us - yet it continually fools them. Same with the tea party. NewHendoLib Jun 2021 #10
Time for Scotland and Northern Ireland.... paleotn Jun 2021 #17
My spouse said that he felt betrayed LittleGirl Jun 2021 #19
Fucking repugs are everywhere......nt Hotler Jun 2021 #21
Kick dalton99a Jun 2021 #23
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
5. i wonder what part rw radio plays in rural areas there. it still works pretty well here, altho
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 08:49 AM
Jun 2021

without limbaugh central pro kremlin/trump messaging is going to suffer. they have split up his 600 stations to different replacements and none can do what limbaugh did and will be trying to outdo each other.

he bragged they were using his model in india and brazil's asshat dictator wannabe bolsanaro credited the "brazillian limbaugh" with his 'success' - a guy who broadcasts out of virginia! it's a model that the kremlin would find easy to influence - they probably make call screening software.....

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
13. The only strong messaging the democrats have is the Lincoln Project.
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 09:57 AM
Jun 2021

Who are ironically old school republicans.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
20. I have not seen much either recently so I looked up Lincoln project, here's a link if interested...
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 10:46 AM
Jun 2021
https://lincolnproject.us/the-mission/

I think Lincoln project understands that democracy requires an informed electorate.
Republicans understand it better than democrats. Although Republican information is mostly deception…an example of which is the Obama birther conspiracy. Which trump used to swing himself big time onto the American political scene.

Democrats are at a disadvantage.
All republicans have to do to succeed is sow hate and lies, scream about problems that don’t exist, and lay blame.


 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
22. it would be very easy now with artificial intelligence to do a thorough monitoring
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jun 2021

until it's done most of the analysts might as we'll be studying fish without water

GB_RN

(2,482 posts)
6. The Same People Who Were Behind This
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 08:54 AM
Jun 2021

Those behind tRump: Cambridge Analytica/the Mercers, Putin and Russia’s FSB (formerly known as the KGB) and GRU…and Facebook/Zuckerberg.

Beatlelvr

(626 posts)
12. Yes! Malcolm Nance said as much
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 09:55 AM
Jun 2021

In his books. Brexit was a practice run, a precursor to our 2016 election.

ananda

(28,944 posts)
18. Yes, and I always understood that Russia was behind Brexit.
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 10:18 AM
Jun 2021

Russian intereference in nations' politics has made a very
ugly mess of our world.

William Seger

(10,799 posts)
8. "Trash those preconditions..."
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 09:00 AM
Jun 2021

"... and we inevitably slide into a universe of division and distrust impervious to rational argument."

That's exactly what's happened to American politics in the last few decades, courtesy of the right-wing propaganda machine. It puts our democracy in serious jeopardy -- and that's been the intent all along.

NewHendoLib

(60,044 posts)
10. It is odd that none of this surprises us - yet it continually fools them. Same with the tea party.
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 09:14 AM
Jun 2021

Big money creating self-serving propaganda. What could possibly go wrong?

paleotn

(18,041 posts)
17. Time for Scotland and Northern Ireland....
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 10:06 AM
Jun 2021

to decouple from an England circling the bowl, headed for the hole. The final act in the once proud empire's decent from 2nd rate power to 3rd rate nobody. They believed the lies and did it to themselves.

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
19. My spouse said that he felt betrayed
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jun 2021

by the voters. He had lived outside of Britain too long and wasn’t allowed to vote.
The next day, he was stunned by the results! How could they be that stupid?
But it was Putin.

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