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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:30 AM Jun 2021

I'm tired of hearing about "Intelligence Failures" concerning the insurrection

Sure there were some. Some errors can always be found in hindsight with just about everything. Sure there were also some instances of "poor communication." That too is not exactly rare. But discussion about those "failures" doesn't begin to capture the magnitude of what went wrong on 1/6/21 and the weeks leading up to it. Front line first responders say that they were "betrayed", and that I think comes closer to the truth. Someone needs to just come out and say it. There was more going on than mere "intelligence failures." There was direct conspiracy with the insurrectionists by some in government service, and there was overt intelligence sabotage with the direct intent of leaving our Capital vulnerable to the insurrectionists. No other explanation will explain what happened.

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sop

(10,167 posts)
3. Correct. It wasn't an intelligence failure. The system wasn't broken, it was fixed.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 11:57 AM
Jun 2021

We just need to find out by whom. My money is on Trump and his henchmen.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
4. ikr? the got their orders and followed their orders. the order was- stand down
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:03 PM
Jun 2021

this tactic is as old as dirt. how are they getting away with it?

i just binged 'peaky blinders', about english gangsters post ww1.
half of what they get corrupt cops to do is stand down.

i also have an old hippie friend in the hood who talks about the time there was a hippie v kkk rally.
cops stood in the middle as the klan approached.
then they evaporated.

older than dirt.

tenderfoot

(8,426 posts)
5. the Failures were intentional
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jun 2021

Trump loyalists ran the departments that were supposed to protect the Capitol and the deliberately made sure they were undermanned.

Helen Keller could see that from miles away.

Bev54

(10,051 posts)
10. I do believe, if someone would just investigate, that will be shown to be true.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:35 PM
Jun 2021

This was not just a few bumbling assholes, this was intentional.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
6. Everyone including average citizens far from DC knew trouble was brewing on 1/6.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:25 PM
Jun 2021

No one in DC or at the Capitol - especially those responsible for security - should have been surprised or caught flat-footed by the events of that day. If anything, we had a failure of leadership and our security protocols during that day. There were no intelligence failures as millions upon millions were expecting something awful that day.

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Sur Zobra

(3,428 posts)
9. When a bank is robbed,
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jun 2021

is the bank blamed for not preventing the robbery? No, the FBI investigates who committed the robbery and arrests them. Thus far many of the players in the insurrection have been arrested, but the people who planned the insurrection have not been.

Some robberies have a person on the inside who help the robbers. The insurrection had insiders who aided and abetted the insurrectionists, and who may have even helped plan the attack, but most of the reports skirt around who the masterminds were who planned the whole thing.

gab13by13

(21,322 posts)
11. or as was stated on cable last night,
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jun 2021

when your house is robbed you should blame your security alarm.

Traildogbob

(8,729 posts)
12. Intelligence Failures
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 01:53 PM
Jun 2021

Are how Trump, MTG, Bang Bang Barbie, Loui Ghomert and the Trump cult got power. Society failed to provide those fools with ANY intelligence. Ever!. Maybe it was not society, it was God. Inbreeding, genetic interference from food and environmental poison. However it happened. These people are STUPID! “Q” guided them? For fucks sake. Jim Jones would have a congregation of 45 millions followers today. 20 times Olsteen wealth.
And they call Vaxers Sheepel. Hopefully these idiots are approaching the thousand foot cliff soon. Fucking brain starved zombies are not fictional. But instead of desperately seeking brains to eat, they crave bacon.

Mr. Evil

(2,841 posts)
14. Since the Capital Police were basically left to fend for themselves,
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 02:00 PM
Jun 2021

I believe they were deemed 'expendable.'

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
15. Yes, agreed. I think the "failures" many times involve some kind of
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 02:25 PM
Jun 2021

inter-organization ideology disagreements that devolve into competing strategies. Also, with every failure comes an investigation. Then, there are roadblocks to truth because investigations touch “inside assets” that can’t be jeopardized. Sometimes rich and powerful people get exposed and have the power to stop the truth from being known.

The recents from memory:

9/11
Iraq War
Trump/Russia
COVID
1/6

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
17. Trump attempted a coup of the United States government
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 02:30 PM
Jun 2021

in order to seize power and stay in office. And he had inside help to make it happen. Those are the facts.

Anything else is blame shifting.

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