In 2023 we can make Joe Manchin and his apprentice Kyrsten Sinema irrelevant by

[notpolltested]

electing the following Democrats and more in 2022 to the US Senate:

Pennsylvania (PA):
https://johnfetterman.com/

Chris Larson (WI):
https://voteforlarson.org/

Cheri Beasley (NC):
https://cheribeasley.com/

Tim Ryan (OH):
https://timforoh.com/

[Elessar Zappa]

1. Yes,

our only hope to neuter them is outvoting them in 2022.

[TDale313]

2. Look, I agree...

I’ve said very much the same thing. Unfortunately, Republicans are working like crazy to make sure we never get another chance at an honest election, and Manchin is siding with them and against measures that would protect the right to vote. It’s sickening.

[notpolltested]

3. Got to fight fire with fire, which means investing in the candidates most up to the job early

and working our butts off until our winners have their hands on the bibles come January 2023. If they aren't a proven fighter willing to get go all out, then I don't want them as our standard bearer.

[certainot]

40. democrats have a great opportunity and have to get offensive. in those 4 states

43 xlimbaugh stations depend on 13 major universities to keep broadcasting sports on them while they attack dem candidates and sell voter suppression and big lie bullshit

NORTH CAROLINA 16 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2

OHIO 10 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1

PENNSYLVANIA 14 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1

manchin's WEST VIRGINIA 2 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1

WISCONSIN 3 Wisconsin 3

all democrats have to finally do is make sure there's a discussion around one of those unis and advertisers will head for the hills, republicans will freak out and it will get so bad it will spread to all 87+ unis and 260+ x limbaugh stations they support and endorse. the ad industry will have to break up the monopoly and without it republicans will have nothing

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. NC & OH are passing Jim Crow 2.0 laws that will likely prevent Dems winning, and may lose 2 more.

Warnock's seat is toast, and Kelly's is at risk as well.

When the electoral system becomes corrupted, voting ceases to be a solution.

The fight is NOW, in the streets of WV and AZ.

November 2022 will be too late.

[notpolltested]

5. We got to do both. GA and AZ are trending blue states with NC lagging behind

and OH a longshot but throwing in the towel is not an option. We need 100% perfection in our nominees. Those nominees must be prepared to do everything, and I mean everything, in order to win (no more weak-sauce campaigning like we saw in the last several cycles). In turn we must support and campaign for our nominees full-stop until they have their hands on the bible in January '23.

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. You are relying on traditional comfort zone paradigms that will no longer apply

Dems could have 100% turn out to vote for the “perfect” candidates you describe, and the legislatures in GA and many other states have given themselves the power to overrule voters and overturn elections.

The fight is NOW, not November 2022, and in the streets, not at the ballot box.

[bearsfootball516]

16. Warnock's seat is far from toast.

Stacey Abrams may be heading the ticket in 2022, and Kemp is wildly unpopular among the Trump base in Georgia.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Have you been paying attention? GA legislature gave themselves the power to overturn elections

They can prevent certification of Warnock’s win, and Kemp (who will be selected by the legislature) will fill the vacancy.

[notpolltested]

19. Only if it's close. Let's make sure it isn't. nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. They have the power to overturn regardless of the margin. Nt

[Elessar Zappa]

24. I'll still be working to elect Dems, regardless.

No way am I going to become apathetic because of these laws.

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Not suggesting apathy, just that your focus on elections is misguided

Your focus and efforts should be on the streets TODAY, not a ballot box 18 months from now.

[cayugafalls]

35. So once we're in the streets, what do we do?

Just asking.

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. Make life miserable for Manchin and Sinema, shut down the gears of the machine

By not buying anything you could collapse the economy in a matter of weeks if enough people (20-30%) stopped buying anything. We’ve already had practice stocking up on supplies with the pandemic. If people stopped buying any consumer goods, including food, gas, etc. That would certainly get the attention of the corporations and investment banks.

The same nonviolent tactics used by the civil rights crusaders in the 50’s and 60’s could be used again. Occupy the halls of government, state and federal. Nightly news segments of hundreds of people being arrested for sit ins in Congress, state capitols, etc.

Manchin and Sinema should not be able to move about comfortably in public- everywhere they go they should be confronted and challenged about their obstruction and enabling of Jim Crow 2.0.

It’s going to take a lot of work to stop this slow motion fascist coup; I honestly don’t know if the American people have it in them- I don’t know if I have the stamina and fortitude myself. The fascists are counting on that.

One thing is for sure- the traditional comfort zone paradigm of “we’ll just work harder, get out the vote, flip some seats” will not be enough. That paradigm is the paradigm of complacency masquerading as activism. It’s going to take far more than electoral politics as usual.

[paleotn]

32. Oh, please.

GA has made voting more difficult, but not impossible. Others the same. Is it serious? You bet. Is the freaking sky falling? Oh, hell no.

[ecstatic]

37. They can overturn any blue county they want, without the SOS's input.

From there, they'll anoint themselves as "ballot signature detectives" to toss out as many paper ballots are necessary to overturn the election results. How exactly is that supposed to be overcome? Only Congress can fix this fiasco, and it needs to be done NOW, while we still have the chance.

[paleotn]

39. Potentially, yes. But then again...

there's the question of seating members of Congress who were "anointed" rather than elected. It's not a given. There's precedent for that.

It's a serious problem, no doubt, but "the sky is falling!" mentality irritates the hell out of me. It's not a solution. It's a reaction. Lets work on solutions. There will be more than enough freak out time later.

[Fiendish Thingy]

45. You obviously haven't read the GA law

Not only have they made it more difficult for folks to vote, the legislature has given themselves the power to fire the entire elections board, and appoint members who will certify, or not certify, results in a manner that pleases the Republican legislature. They have also removed much of the SOS authority around elections and given it to the legislature.

[paleotn]

46. Yes, I've read it.

Work on the problem. Don't waste time freaking out about it. I hate freaking out. I truly do.

[certainot]

41. democrats continue the biggest political mistake in history

dems ignore talk radio and even let 12 universities support 40 xlimbaugh stations in those states and they continue to sell voter suppression and attack dems.

dem orgs are truly stupid to keep letting these schools keep supporting republicans and their lies without complaint or protest - it's a great opportunity to destroy rw radio - the only advantage republicans have

NORTH CAROLINA 16 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2 (and this is meadows state- they all support him)

OHIO 10 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1

GEORGIA 14 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2

[andym]

6. By then the GOP will likely have the House: gerrymandering and voter suppression leading the way

so even if Democrats gain 4 seats out, it wouldn't matter.

[notpolltested]

7. I'm talking about campaigning our asses off in 2022, with the most tactical operation

and best candidates in US Political campaign history, so we don't meet that fate. Anything less than level that will mean doom.

[paleotn]

34. Bingo! +10,000

Hard job ahead. But, what irritates me more are people on our side freaking out before the job has even started. Reminds me of this guy....."Game over, man! Game over! What are we gonna do?!" Ugh.

[Elessar Zappa]

15. It would still be beneficial

to keep the Senate because of judges. That’s a very important power we need to retain.

[andym]

25. Good point about the judges and with the filubseter gone for judges it would matter a lot

although, Democrats would not necessarily need 4 more seats, only to hold the 50.

[paleotn]

33. So your solutions is.....what?

Run in circles, scream and shout?

[andym]

42. My solution? Mount a very large social media based publicity campaign about how the right to vote

is being stolen, including material for news rooms across the country, so the GOP bills get the scrutiny that they need-- and are not hidden. How? Get the big Democratic donors involved or support right to vote organizations across the country. for example, here
http://nationalrighttovote.org/we-the-people-race-and-the-new-fight-for-the-right-to-vote/

[paleotn]

44. Bingo! That's what I'm talking about.

I agree completely!

[JohnSJ]

8. That is exactly where we need to focus

[brooklynite]

9. Now, you'll also be working to re-elect Maggie Hassan (NH) and Mark Kelly (AZ)...

...even though neither supports ending the filibuster?

[notpolltested]

12. At least Mark Kelly isn't actively trying

to troll liberals now like Kyrsten is with her curtsies, though I do hold him somewhat responsible for Pat Toomey getting elected in 2016. Maggie needs to step up her game if she wants to win, especially if Sununu runs. The candidates I care about are fighters, and will campaign ferociously like there is no tomorrow and also will commit to filibuster reform.

[Elessar Zappa]

14. Are they on record?

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. If it came to a floor vote, they would vote to end or at least modify the filibuster. Nt

[pandr32]

10. I expected Manchin to be quite conservative

He is from a red state. We had to allow for this, but something doesn't smell right. His explanations are ridiculous--even for him. He knows what is at stake here and I am quite sure he is bombarded with pressure from Democrats to help save democracy.

He is instead behaving like a ventriloquist's dummy with a hand up his back moving his lips. Republicans are behaving as though they know they have control of the Senate in spite of the Democrats holding a majority and so don't have to change a thing. Voting right protections will be history and they can win back control so why change a thing?

Who's hand is up his back?

[elleng]

28. I agree 'something doesn't smell right.'

He 'explains?'

[Tommymac]

30. I'd take a look at his Donor base first.

To see which Corporate slugs are financing his behavior. and giving him a hand(j*b).

My guess is Big Energy (Coal) and The Koch Fortune.

Looks like violence may be knawing at the fences that hold it in in 2022/23.

Sigh.

[pandr32]

47. He may have a surprising donor

Russian perhaps?

[njhoneybadger]

36. I refer to it as "The Koch Brothers Political Machine."

It's the "Taylor Political Machine" from Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

[Sneederbunk]

11. We need several carbon copies of Stacey Abrams to organize.

[notpolltested]

13. Beto and Powered by People are on it in Texas

though no Senate Race in 2022.

[Silent3]

17. Without Manchin and Sinema helping NOW, however...

...more voter suppression will be in effect, and not just voter suppression, but voter overriding by Republican legislatures who are empowering themselves to simply veto the voters if they don't like how they vote.

On top of that, with Biden's agenda stalled, the many stupid voters who will blame Biden and the Democrats for things not getting done in the next two years will be more likely to vote for Republicans too.

Fighting hard for as many Congressional wins as we can get in 2022 is what we have to do anyway -- and should always do anyway -- but there's good reason to fear it might not be enough.

[mcar]

20. And Val Demings in FL

more of a long shot, I know, but I'm going to work my butt off for her.

[elleng]

26. PLEASE!

[Meowmee]

29. I hope this happens

We need more real democrats obviously.

[Butterflylady]

31. I was wondering how long it would take for someone

To finally post this. Although there are a lot of doomsday posters here today, it can be done.

[Poiuyt]

38. Don't forget Wisconsin

We don't know yet if Ron Johnson is running, but if he does, there's a good chance he'd be voted out.

[roamer65]

48. ...and by making DC a state.

[notpolltested]

49. Not going to happen in the next 2 years unfortunately nt