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Autumn

(45,343 posts)
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:02 PM Jun 2021

Poll shows Nina Turner leads Democratic party in race for Ohio's 11th Congressional District

with support from 50% of likely voters

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/nina-turner-leads-poll-11th-congressional-district-race/95-5842fe8f-4824-4185-8020-c0f16a47da96

Turner is leading the Democratic contenders who are vying to fill former Rep. Marcia Fudge’s seat in Congress, according to a new poll. Turner’s campaign highlighted results of the poll Tuesday morning, which was conducted by Tulchin Research. You can explore the poll in the document at the bottom of this story.

“Notably, the poll shows Nina Turner with a sizable lead with support from 50% of likely voters,” her campaign said in a press release. “Across every demographic, Turner is the favorite to serve as OH-11’s next Congressperson.”

Since launching her campaign in December, Turner has also received numerous endorsements – including support from various politicians, organizations and celebrities.



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Poll shows Nina Turner leads Democratic party in race for Ohio's 11th Congressional District (Original Post) Autumn Jun 2021 OP
From the person who said "voting for Joe Biden is like eating a bowl of s**t" JohnSJ Jun 2021 #1
+! nycbos Jun 2021 #6
i know you're using sarcasm. She isn't terrific, i don't like her. She lied about HILLARY Trueblue1968 Jun 2021 #55
I think a lot of us are in agreement that point of view. No doubt I am sure she is happy with JohnSJ Jun 2021 #56
Her opinions about Democrats are based on alternative facts. betsuni Jun 2021 #61
Lord help us all StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #2
I am intensely disappointed by this. I'd hoped Shontel Brown would do better. hlthe2b Jun 2021 #3
This is great news! RandiFan1290 Jun 2021 #4
No it isn't. I live in Ohio. We could see a low turnout of Democrats...many dislike Nina very much.. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #126
This women voted for Stein in 2016... nycbos Jun 2021 #5
+++ comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #12
There are too many people in the race, and 21% are undecided. If the single digit candidates JohnSJ Jun 2021 #13
She actually refused to support Biden in 2020. In fact soon after the Democratic Natl Convention.... George II Jun 2021 #68
Here for the drama... regnaD kciN Jun 2021 #7
I had no idea she would be doing that well. Maybe Katie Porter's endorsement helped. Autumn Jun 2021 #9
Katie Porter knows a great Democrat when she sees one! Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #20
Any idea who the great Democrat is? brooklynite Jun 2021 #72
Nina Turner is not a Democrat. And great...no. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #127
Thanks for the thread. Doremus Jun 2021 #105
We need more people that give us hope. Autumn Jun 2021 #128
How can she give you hope if you "didn't really pay attention to her" until now? betsuni Jun 2021 #134
That's a weired interpretaion of my post. I didn't pay attention to Katie Porter till Gothmog Autumn Jun 2021 #139
I like that she is the most progressive candidate womanofthehills Jun 2021 #136
According to The American Conservative Union, which judges how often elected officials betsuni Jun 2021 #141
It always helps when a candidate pays the pollster $80,000+. So far this year the Turner campaign.. George II Jun 2021 #112
Cool. She's got plenty of money for her campign and it sounds like she's getting her moneys worth. Autumn Jun 2021 #122
You have no problem with the possibility of these poll results being "fudged"? At least she got.... George II Jun 2021 #125
Polls are right or they are wrong. So you have proof that polls results are being fudged Autumn Jun 2021 #132
Autumn, all I know is that Nina Turner paid for that poll. Can't wait for the 2Q FEC filings.... George II Jun 2021 #135
I don't need a poll Geotge. All of the state senate Democrats in her district endorsed her. Autumn Jun 2021 #140
That's incorrect, Autumn. The fact is "all the state Senators in CUYAHOGA COUNTY.... George II Jun 2021 #143
You sure spend a lot of time on someone you despise George. Autumn Jun 2021 #146
I have no idea what you're talking about, Autumn, but I see you didn't address.... George II Jun 2021 #149
Well, better stick with what the voters want. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #8
That's a real shame...nt comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #10
Cant keep a great Democrat down! Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #11
Jill Stein voter is a great Democrat? comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #14
Thank you nycbos Jun 2021 #15
The Democrats in Ohio seem to think so. nt Autumn Jun 2021 #16
Jill Stein is not a Democrat. There is also a significant number of undecided voters, and if you JohnSJ Jun 2021 #17
Yes it's a fluid race if all but one drops out. If all of them get behind only one candidate. Autumn Jun 2021 #22
Ok, but I wouldn't be trying to equate Jill Stein as a Democrat, and that is what your post implies JohnSJ Jun 2021 #24
I don't consider Jill Stein as having any part of this discussion. nt Autumn Jun 2021 #27
That is what I thought you were responding to. Thanks JohnSJ Jun 2021 #33
You don't need to consider it or mention it. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #41
She is not mentioned in the OP or by anyone who is discussing the OP and the poll. Autumn Jun 2021 #44
First of all... sheshe2 Jun 2021 #57
First of all... she. I responded to a poster who confused me with someone else talking about Jill Autumn Jun 2021 #65
Welp. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #70
Welp. Autumn Jun 2021 #71
Welp. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #74
"Fact. A lot of people who are Democrats have voted for an Independent or green....." George II Jun 2021 #75
That is very true. But she certainly is doing well. nt Autumn Jun 2021 #77
... sheshe2 Jun 2021 #78
Jill Stein was never mentioned by me. You have me confused with the poster who brings her Autumn Jun 2021 #30
Thanks for pointing that out JohnSJ Jun 2021 #34
No they don't. There is 21 candidates. She has a sliver of support and could very well lose the Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #130
Served her constituents and the party for 6 years as a Democratic State Senator and 2 years... Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #18
She declared herself as a third party voter. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #21
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #23
Turner was appointed State Senator, and has never defeated anyone in an election. George II Jun 2021 #87
Curious what your true definition of a great Democrat is. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #19
My brother was a great Democrat progressoid Jun 2021 #28
Did he liken a Democratic Presidential candidate to eating a bowl of shit? sheshe2 Jun 2021 #35
And there's the problem. progressoid Jun 2021 #101
Well, anyone who compared our DEMOCRATIC Presidential candidate to he opponent, and calls.... George II Jun 2021 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author JohnSJ Jun 2021 #39
Did he ever decide to run for Congress as a Democrat? George II Jun 2021 #76
So only people who run for office can be part of the Great Democrat discussion? progressoid Jun 2021 #104
Who said only those who run for office? But a "true Democrat" doesn't call our Democratic nominee... George II Jun 2021 #106
Uh, you literally brought running for office into the mix. progressoid Jun 2021 #109
And? George II Jun 2021 #110
And what? progressoid Jun 2021 #114
And, you make a claim based on circuitous logic, I respond, you respond with a question, etc. etc... George II Jun 2021 #117
Don't run for office as a Democrat unless you are a Democrat...pretty simple. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #131
+++ vsrazdem Jun 2021 #59
This is how The People's Party, the party that she co-founded, announced Turners' candidacy: George II Jun 2021 #60
Why don't you call and ask her? n/t ChubbyStar Jun 2021 #62
Not interested in talking to her. Why don't you call her and report back? George II Jun 2021 #64
Sorry I don't run errands for you ChubbyStar Jun 2021 #67
Well, I figured since you asked me to "run errands for you" in your previous post, I'd reciprocate. George II Jun 2021 #69
Try to keep up George YOU asked this question ChubbyStar Jun 2021 #79
I know I asked a question. And so did you. "Try to keep up"? George II Jun 2021 #82
LMAO you are so funny ChubbyStar Jun 2021 #85
Not funny, but pragmatic and logical. So did you or did you not ask a question? George II Jun 2021 #97
Better ask your magic 8 ball George ChubbyStar Jun 2021 #98
Don't need to, ChubbyStar, it's all there in black and white. And to think you said you didn't..... George II Jun 2021 #100
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2021 #25
She has name recognition in Ohio. calguy Jun 2021 #26
Since she's running in Ohio, that's a good thing. progressoid Jun 2021 #32
Not a fan of Ms. Turner Bettie Jun 2021 #29
What is wrong with my state? This woman is an enemy of the Democratic party krawhitham Jun 2021 #31
Some of your state Democratic Senaters seem to think she's a part of the Democratoc party. Autumn Jun 2021 #36
We will see what happens. I assume there will be debates, and that may change things JohnSJ Jun 2021 #38
Turns out it's probably a fake poll. The pollster is on the payroll of the Turner campaign and... George II Jun 2021 #99
I am not surprised by this LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #120
people don't know what she's like Chili Jun 2021 #113
Agree. betsuni Jun 2021 #115
yes Chili Jun 2021 #116
yep, this is one person who's shown she's not going to do the right thing uponit7771 Jun 2021 #129
Which half of the bowl is she? Or does she instead expect the voters to eat the whole thing? LanternWaste Jun 2021 #37
Ouch. sheshe2 Jun 2021 #58
Not sure I buy this poll, Tulchin research has been opening pushing for Nina krawhitham Jun 2021 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jun 2021 #43
Not exactly an unbiased or objective pollster, don't you think? George II Jun 2021 #51
They're a small group of campaign operatives. OilemFirchen Jun 2021 #53
Apparently they're located in San Francisco, and as you point out are very small. In several years.. George II Jun 2021 #63
No. NO NO NO NO NO. tavernier Jun 2021 #66
Its probably an overstatement to call it a poll BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #148
Sounds like a bogus poll dansolo Jun 2021 #42
... sheshe2 Jun 2021 #45
Fivethirtyeight gives them a B/C provisional rating and an "R" bias. George II Jun 2021 #49
Ah yes George, Fivethirtyeight is ALWAYS right. Autumn Jun 2021 #73
Autumn, they ARE always right with their poll RATINGS. Do you have any examples of where their.... George II Jun 2021 #80
I don't hang my hat on anything George. Yes I recall that very well. Autumn Jun 2021 #81
I take it then, Autumn, that you agree that 538 is accurate in their pollster ratings.... George II Jun 2021 #83
I've never paid any attention to their polls so I really can't agree with you on that George Autumn Jun 2021 #86
Autumn, we're not talking about 538's polls, we're talking about their ratings of polls.... George II Jun 2021 #94
538 does polls now? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #137
According to some they do. Until yesterday I thought their primary objective was to compile polls... George II Jun 2021 #145
New Rule: Fiddledeedee, I don't pay attention to Nina Turner or polls or any of that old stuff. betsuni Jun 2021 #142
Don't worry Ashley, I'll still eat barbeque with you! George II Jun 2021 #144
This! sheshe2 Jun 2021 #150
Their last big polling job was working for Sanders.... George II Jun 2021 #108
I remember when AOC upset powerful Dem Rep Joe Crowley. Some here on DU thought the world jalan48 Jun 2021 #46
I remember when a certain Senator was leading in the polls in all 50 states! George II Jun 2021 #48
I remember that certain Senator has tens of millions of supporters. jalan48 Jun 2021 #50
Try 9,207,185 supporters. George II Jun 2021 #52
My bad not tens of millions rather 13 million+ in 2016 and 9.6 million in 2020. Other than the jalan48 Jun 2021 #54
lol.. yeah.. who could forget that BOGUS Cha Jun 2021 #84
Tulchin Research??? George II Jun 2021 #47
Tulchin was Bernie Sanders' campaign pollster🙄. Do we have any other legit non-biased poll? Budi Jun 2021 #91
So he's basically a house pollster for the Turner campaign. No wonder he's a virtual unknown. George II Jun 2021 #92
Out of State Big $$$ PACS financing & Personal Pollsters polling data Budi Jun 2021 #93
Not only that, but apparently Turner bought that poll. She's paid Tulchin Research $80,000 so far!!! George II Jun 2021 #96
Makes ya curious what the ACTUAL #'s reveal. Budi Jun 2021 #102
There have been no other polls yet. So much for "unbought and unbossed" and keeping money out.... George II Jun 2021 #103
U.S. congressional candidate Nina Turner now endorsed by every Democratic state senator from Cuyahog womanofthehills Jun 2021 #119
"Every", i.e. three. George II Jun 2021 #123
Words cannot express how deeply disappointed I am Sympthsical Jun 2021 #88
Lol Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2021 #89
"Good Democrats" backed our Dem candidate against Trump in '16 and '20. oasis Jun 2021 #90
News Flash! This "poll" was conducted by Tulchin Research. Nina Turner paid Tulchin Research.... George II Jun 2021 #95
Interesting. But ... grassroots? What happened to grassroots? betsuni Jun 2021 #107
it's very unfortunate Chili Jun 2021 #111
Good. She'll win the November election easily. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2021 #121
she is disliked in Ohio. I don't believe this poll and believe she would have difficult time winning Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #133
No Republican can possibly win Ohio's 11th District. It's only 39% white. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2021 #138
She'll have to defeat Shontel Brown first. Can't wait for Marsha Fudge's endorsement to drop. George II Jun 2021 #152
Well now that I sold my house, I can work for her opponent. I despise Nina Turner. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #124
Why are they concealing who commissioned the poll? nt RegularJam Jun 2021 #147
+1 sheshe2 Jun 2021 #151

JohnSJ

(93,482 posts)
1. From the person who said "voting for Joe Biden is like eating a bowl of s**t"
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:05 PM
Jun 2021

What a terrific person

Trueblue1968

(17,452 posts)
55. i know you're using sarcasm. She isn't terrific, i don't like her. She lied about HILLARY
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:05 PM
Jun 2021

THE HORRIBLE THINGS SHE HAS SAID ABOUT OUR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES. Hillary and Joe Biden. How can she call herself a Democrat.

JohnSJ

(93,482 posts)
56. I think a lot of us are in agreement that point of view. No doubt I am sure she is happy with
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:08 PM
Jun 2021

those poll numbers

I would like to see what happens after the debates, and if some of the single digit candidates drop out after that, and where the undecideds go



betsuni

(26,547 posts)
61. Her opinions about Democrats are based on alternative facts.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:33 PM
Jun 2021

She likes to get very angry and make other people angry about things that aren't true, for some reason.

hlthe2b

(103,332 posts)
3. I am intensely disappointed by this. I'd hoped Shontel Brown would do better.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:07 PM
Jun 2021

Still, this is a seriously gerrymandered district, so if Turner is the best we can do I guess this very unlikeable candidate will garner our support. By necessity.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
126. No it isn't. I live in Ohio. We could see a low turnout of Democrats...many dislike Nina very much..
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:51 AM
Jun 2021

and the Republican could win the seat.

nycbos

(6,093 posts)
5. This women voted for Stein in 2016...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:13 PM
Jun 2021

... to my understanding didn't support Joe Biden and now get the seat in Congress as a "Democrat"

Why isn't Brown pounding her on this issue?

Bernie Sanders has voice to very undesirable people.

I know this post is going to be altered on under the "support democrats" rule.


I submit to the people who will serve on the jury that Ms. Turner doesn't support Democrats, and Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat anyway so my posts should stay up.

JohnSJ

(93,482 posts)
13. There are too many people in the race, and 21% are undecided. If the single digit candidates
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:20 PM
Jun 2021

United behind one candidate, along with the undecideds, it is still a very fluid situation

George II

(67,782 posts)
68. She actually refused to support Biden in 2020. In fact soon after the Democratic Natl Convention....
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:58 PM
Jun 2021

....she and her followers held a "People's Convention" at which they decided to formally form a political party (their formation in 2017 wasn't as a "political party&quot .

Had they been better prepared and gotten registered in Ohio, Nina Turner would be running in November on the "People's Party" line. As it is, she is instead reluctantly running as a Democrat.

The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat


https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
105. Thanks for the thread.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:33 PM
Jun 2021

My high regard for Nina goes back to a rally she held on our town square back when Shrub & Co. were beating war drums. So many of us were depressed, desperate for any shred of hope. We walked away from her barnburner filled with optimism and respect for our senator.

I'm looking forward to casting my vote for her again and sending another member of the Squad to Congress.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
128. We need more people that give us hope.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:54 AM
Jun 2021

Other than her working for Bernie I didn't really pay attention to her. I am now and I like what I see.

betsuni

(26,547 posts)
134. How can she give you hope if you "didn't really pay attention to her" until now?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:04 AM
Jun 2021

Hope not based on a person's history and record, what they say and do, how they vote, their funding, their morals and judgement?

That's new. Every other politician is judged by their past.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
139. That's a weired interpretaion of my post. I didn't pay attention to Katie Porter till Gothmog
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jun 2021

pointed out how great she was. I don't live in their state or districts why would I know about them unless someone points out their record.

betsuni

(26,547 posts)
141. According to The American Conservative Union, which judges how often elected officials
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jun 2021

vote in favor of issues important to Republicans:

Lifetime ratings:

Nina Turner 14.92%

Joe Biden 12.47%

Hillary Clinton 7.89%

Barack Obama 7.56%

Bernie Sanders 6.17%

Kamala Harris 4.45%

Amy Klobuchar 4.81%

George II

(67,782 posts)
112. It always helps when a candidate pays the pollster $80,000+. So far this year the Turner campaign..
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:10 AM
Jun 2021

...paid Tulchin Research $80,000 in Jan and Feb, no numbers available yet for April to June.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
122. Cool. She's got plenty of money for her campign and it sounds like she's getting her moneys worth.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:46 AM
Jun 2021

Polls are like air to politicians. Political polling is a loss-leader, trading information for public exposure and better name recognition. She's got this.

George II

(67,782 posts)
125. You have no problem with the possibility of these poll results being "fudged"? At least she got....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jun 2021

....her money's worth.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
132. Polls are right or they are wrong. So you have proof that polls results are being fudged
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jun 2021

for Nina? I doubt that very much George. The polls in the election Trump won were mostly wrong, it all depends on the answers people give them. The excuses for those polls were all over the place. Fivethirtyeight was certainly wrong.

George II

(67,782 posts)
135. Autumn, all I know is that Nina Turner paid for that poll. Can't wait for the 2Q FEC filings....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jun 2021

....are available to see what the total price was/is, Autumn.

But as of now, Autumn, almost 1/10th of ALL of her expenditures went to the "Research" company that conducted the poll.

Most of the polls that were "wrong" about trump were conducted by independent pollsters, Autumn, not pollsters that were paid BY the candidate who "won".

I'd wait until a credible, independent poll comes out before getting excited, Autumn.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
140. I don't need a poll Geotge. All of the state senate Democrats in her district endorsed her.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:29 AM
Jun 2021

And Katie Porter. I'm thinking they know her and respect her. Accusing her of fudging a poll is a pretty crappy thing to do.

George II

(67,782 posts)
143. That's incorrect, Autumn. The fact is "all the state Senators in CUYAHOGA COUNTY....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:47 AM
Jun 2021

....in the 11th District" endorsed her, not the district overall, and not even Cuyahoga County overall.

That's a far cry from "all the state senate Democrats in her District".

In fact, Cuyahoga County is only a small part of OH-11 (roughly 25-30%), Autumn. And "all" those state senators are a total of three, Autumn. Those three state senators represent probably about a quarter of OH-11.

The media and "press releases" are playing fast and loose with the facts and misrepresenting them, Autumn.

George II

(67,782 posts)
149. I have no idea what you're talking about, Autumn, but I see you didn't address....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:42 PM
Jun 2021

....this incorrect statement:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15487735

140. I don't need a poll Geotge. All of the state senate Democrats in her district endorsed her.


Only three state senators in OH-11 endorsed her, representing only a small part of the district, Autumn.





JohnSJ

(93,482 posts)
17. Jill Stein is not a Democrat. There is also a significant number of undecided voters, and if you
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:33 PM
Jun 2021

add all the single digit candidates, this is still a fluid race

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
22. Yes it's a fluid race if all but one drops out. If all of them get behind only one candidate.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:46 PM
Jun 2021

If all Independents get behind one candidate. That's a lot of "if's" and one or two of those probably won't happen.

JohnSJ

(93,482 posts)
24. Ok, but I wouldn't be trying to equate Jill Stein as a Democrat, and that is what your post implies
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:50 PM
Jun 2021

that I was responding to

sheshe2

(84,931 posts)
41. You don't need to consider it or mention it.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:25 PM
Jun 2021

However she is an important part of the discussion. Nina voted for her instead of our Democratic nominee.

Fact.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
44. She is not mentioned in the OP or by anyone who is discussing the OP and the poll.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:40 PM
Jun 2021

Fact. A lot of people who are Democrats have voted for an Independent or green because they have voted their consciences, stayed home or voted for someone else they preferd, past polls have shown that . In most elections that Independent vote has not made a damn bit of difference but sadly enough it did matter in two.

sheshe2

(84,931 posts)
57. First of all...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:11 PM
Jun 2021

[div class="excerpt]"She is not mentioned in the OP or by anyone who is discussing the OP and the poll.

This is a message board and I brought up an important point in regards to Nina.

As I said, she is a VERY important part of the discussion. So what if she wasn't brought up in the OP. I understand why she was not brought up. She is a huge disqualifier for NINA. Not a good look to have any part of Jill.



A lot of people who are Democrats have voted for an Independent or green because they have voted their consciences, stayed home or voted for someone else they preferd, past polls have shown that . In most elections that Independent vote has not made a damn bit of difference but sadly enough it did matter in two.


It DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE and THAT is how we lose elections. Hurt feelings .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
65. First of all... she. I responded to a poster who confused me with someone else talking about Jill
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:41 PM
Jun 2021

Stein. Fact is she was not mentioned by me or other people talking about the OP. IMHO anyone who gets hurt feelings over how anyone else votes has a problem. People can also have unfavotable opinions of politicians and are allowed to voice them. Freedom of speech and all that. Do I think she should have said what she did about Joe? No I think she should have kept her mouth shut, but it didn't hurt my feelings a bit. I vote based on MY opinion of a politician, not what someon says about them. YMOV.

sheshe2

(84,931 posts)
70. Welp.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:59 PM
Jun 2021

[div class="excerpt"Stein. Fact is she was not mentioned by me or other people talking about the OP. IMHO anyone who gets hurt feelings over how anyone else votes has a problem. People can also have unfavotable opinions of politicians and are allowed to voice them. Freedom of speech and all that.

Oh boy. "People that gets hurt feelings over how anyone else votes has a problem." Please stop. People who hate a certain politician, spew their hate see Sue and Nina lose us elections. Elections have consequences and the helped give us a man that wants rob of us our democratic process.

Whatever, Autumn.

George II

(67,782 posts)
75. "Fact. A lot of people who are Democrats have voted for an Independent or green....."
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:08 PM
Jun 2021

Not many, if any, who eventually wound up running for Congress or higher as a Democrat, as Ms. Turner is doing.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
30. Jill Stein was never mentioned by me. You have me confused with the poster who brings her
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:58 PM
Jun 2021

up. I posted about Nina Turner and her poll numbers in Ohio.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
130. No they don't. There is 21 candidates. She has a sliver of support and could very well lose the
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:57 AM
Jun 2021

seat. These third-party types are more likely to screw us over than win. She is not liked in Ohio and blamed for Hillary's loss. I live in Oho...Cleveland area.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,462 posts)
18. Served her constituents and the party for 6 years as a Democratic State Senator and 2 years...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:38 PM
Jun 2021

.... on the Cleveland City Council as a Democrat.

Before that a Legislative Aid to a Democratic State Senator and Executive Aid to a Democratic Mayor of Cleveland.

Ba, Ma, Tenured History Professor.

Who are you to declare her not part of our Party?

Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #18)

George II

(67,782 posts)
87. Turner was appointed State Senator, and has never defeated anyone in an election.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:51 PM
Jun 2021

As for two years on the Cleveland city council, Shontel Brown served an equal amount of time, two years, on the Cuyahoga County Council, and still is on the council. Cleveland is just one of many municipalities within Cuyahoga county.

Cleveland: 325,000 people
Cuyahoga County: 1,235,000 people

sheshe2

(84,931 posts)
19. Curious what your true definition of a great Democrat is.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:38 PM
Jun 2021

She voted for Jill Stein and not the Democratic candidate. Said voting for Biden is like eating a bowl of shit. I doubt she ate any sh*t, so I assume she did not vote for him either.

Care to share?

progressoid

(50,172 posts)
28. My brother was a great Democrat
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:55 PM
Jun 2021

Registered Democrat his whole life.
Member and president of his local teacher's union.
Pro science
Pro choice
Pro environment
Pro everything Democrats stand for.

He once voted for Ralph Nader once, yet he was a great Democrat.

sheshe2

(84,931 posts)
35. Did he liken a Democratic Presidential candidate to eating a bowl of shit?
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:04 PM
Jun 2021

Did he ever run for office? Did he insult Democrats? He voted for a third party, that was his choice.

From what you have said about him he never denigrated his party that he was proud of.

Huge difference.

progressoid

(50,172 posts)
101. And there's the problem.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:20 PM
Jun 2021

There will never be a true definition of a great Democrat.
It's the No True Scotsman fallacy.

George II

(67,782 posts)
118. Well, anyone who compared our DEMOCRATIC Presidential candidate to he opponent, and calls....
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 08:29 AM
Jun 2021

....both a "half bowl of shit" certainly won't be very high on the list of "great Democrats", if she's on it at all.

One can't hide from one's own words, as she's probably finding out in this campaign.

Response to progressoid (Reply #28)

progressoid

(50,172 posts)
104. So only people who run for office can be part of the Great Democrat discussion?
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:28 PM
Jun 2021

Regardless, this simply amplifies how meaningless it is to find a "true definition" of a Democrat.

"The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws."
- Barack Obama


George II

(67,782 posts)
106. Who said only those who run for office? But a "true Democrat" doesn't call our Democratic nominee...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:35 PM
Jun 2021

....for President a "half bowl of shit" barely two months before the election, donald trump being the other half, basically equating Joe Biden with donald trump.

It's amazing how presumed Democrats forgive and make excuses for people who do so, especially in today's polarized political atmosphere.

progressoid

(50,172 posts)
109. Uh, you literally brought running for office into the mix.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:02 AM
Jun 2021

Star Member George II (62,436 posts)
76. Did he ever decide to run for Congress as a Democrat?




progressoid

(50,172 posts)
114. And what?
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:21 AM
Jun 2021

You asked, "Did he ever decide to run for Congress as a Democrat?

Then you asked "Who said only those who run for office?"

You set the parameters and then questioned who set those parameters.

I feel like I'm interrupting a conversation you're having with yourself.

George II

(67,782 posts)
117. And, you make a claim based on circuitous logic, I respond, you respond with a question, etc. etc...
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 08:12 AM
Jun 2021

I.e.,

114. And what?

You asked, "Did he ever decide to run for Congress as a Democrat?

Then you asked "Who said only those who run for office?"

You set the parameters and then questioned who set those parameters.

I feel like I'm interrupting a conversation you're having with yourself.



No, YOU set the parameters, I simply asked you to elaborate on them. And in your transcript above you conveniently left out your unresponsive responses.

I've been through this before, that's why I first!

George II

(67,782 posts)
60. This is how The People's Party, the party that she co-founded, announced Turners' candidacy:
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:29 PM
Jun 2021
The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat


https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

Obviously her preference would have been to run on the People's Party line, but they didn't get registered in Ohio in time.

The question is, if elected, when 2022 rolls around will she run as a Democrat or People's Party candidate?

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
79. Try to keep up George YOU asked this question
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:20 PM
Jun 2021

"The question is, if elected, when 2022 rolls around will she run as a Democrat or People's Party candidate?" So I suggested you call her, I did not ask a question. Understand?

George II

(67,782 posts)
82. I know I asked a question. And so did you. "Try to keep up"?
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:28 PM
Jun 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15486552

79. Try to keep up George YOU asked this question

"The question is, if elected, when 2022 rolls around will she run as a Democrat or People's Party candidate?" So I suggested you call her, I did not ask a question. Understand?



https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15486426

Star Member ChubbyStar (2,978 posts)

62. Why don't you call and ask her? n/t


That punctuation at the end of your "n/t" sentence signified a question has been asked

George II

(67,782 posts)
100. Don't need to, ChubbyStar, it's all there in black and white. And to think you said you didn't.....
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:19 PM
Jun 2021

So I guess I HAVE been keeping up, eh?

I'm off to write a check to Shontel. It's my third. Bye.

Bettie

(16,451 posts)
29. Not a fan of Ms. Turner
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 06:57 PM
Jun 2021

she's made some statements that are...awful.

But, when there are a whole bunch of candidates, the one with better name recognition will lead.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
36. Some of your state Democratic Senaters seem to think she's a part of the Democratoc party.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:05 PM
Jun 2021

U.S. congressional candidate Nina Turner now endorsed by every Democratic state senator from Cuyahoga County

"I support Nina Turner in her run for the 11th Congressional district because she will fight for racial, economic and reproductive justice, fairness and equality for all of the people," Antonio said in a statement. "Ohio needs her progressive voice in Washington and I am proud to endorse her."

"During the fight against SB 5, Senator Turner and I battled in the trenches with our Democratic colleagues and our union brothers and sisters to protect the rights of working Ohioans," Yuko said. "I have seen firsthand her passion and her dedication to the people she represents. I know she will do us proud as a member of the United States Congress."

Added Williams: “I have known Senator Turner personally and professionally. I know her character and her heart. She is an unrelenting advocate who has represented the Greater Cleveland area well. She has fought for justice at the local and national level, never forgetting her humble beginnings or her responsibility to the people of Cuyahoga County. I know our community will be well served with her in Congress.”

In a statement, Turner thanked Antonio and Cuyahoga County’s entire Democratic Senate Delegation for its support.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/nina-turner-democratic-state-senator-endorsements/95-345eb235-772c-42fd-8cfe-d605915204ca

JohnSJ

(93,482 posts)
38. We will see what happens. I assume there will be debates, and that may change things
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:17 PM
Jun 2021

Also, it depends how many of those sing digit candidates realize they don’t have a chance, along with 21% who are undecided

No doubt this is good news for Turner, but I am reminded what happened before the South Carolina primary. Everyone had written Biden off, and then the South Carolina primary happened, and candidates dropped out, and unified behind one candidate, which made the very real chance for a contested primary zero.

This isn’t a national election, but one district in Ohio, so things are different, but it follows a pattern what happens when you have too many candidates in a race.

Trump got in the republican primary in 2016, because there were too many candidates in their primary, and they effectively eliminated each other, and trump had the larger base

Unless some of the single digit candidates drop out, this is Turner’s race to lose

George II

(67,782 posts)
99. Turns out it's probably a fake poll. The pollster is on the payroll of the Turner campaign and...
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:15 PM
Jun 2021

...through the first two months of 2021 has already been paid $80,000. We won't know how much more, if anything, they've been paid until the 2nd quarter reports are filed in early July.

Chili

(1,725 posts)
113. people don't know what she's like
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:14 AM
Jun 2021

Her dark side would have to be exposed so that people know. This district (mine) has been spoiled with Louis Stokes, followed by Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, followed by Marcia Fudge. Spoiled, have never even had to pay attention to primaries. Now we're going to pay for it because voters don't know what she's really like.

betsuni

(26,547 posts)
115. Agree.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:22 AM
Jun 2021

They don't know, and only people who follow politics closely know her history. Until rather recently no one would imagine someone running as a Democrat hating Democrats.

Chili

(1,725 posts)
116. yes
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:28 AM
Jun 2021

If I had never read DU or posted here, I would know nothing about her beyond her pro-Bernie interviews back in 2016.

krawhitham

(4,696 posts)
40. Not sure I buy this poll, Tulchin research has been opening pushing for Nina
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:21 PM
Jun 2021
Company of 1 - 10 employees https://www.linkedin.com/company/tulchin-research
Who openly pushing for the candidate https://twitter.com/TulchinResearch (scroll back to Feb)




Plus they seem to have a working relationship with her



After months of backing Bernie













Maybe polling companies shouldn't be backing one candidate over others if they want to be taken seriously

Response to krawhitham (Reply #40)

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
53. They're a small group of campaign operatives.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:59 PM
Jun 2021

There's no evidence in the biographies of their five named staff that any are actual polling professionals, though Ben Tulchin claims experience with some polling companies. What that experience entailed is anyone's guess.

And, speaking of guesses, there's no need to make one here, courtesy of his own biography:

He most recently served as Bernie Sanders’s pollster in the U.S. Senator’s presidential campaign where Sanders far exceeded expectations by winning 13 million votes, 23 contests and 46% of the pledged delegates.

BTW, no crosstabs for this poll, conducted via landlines, cell phones, emails and texts, but we do know that the MOE is 4%.

I'll venture that this "poll" was commissioned by the Turner campaign.

George II

(67,782 posts)
63. Apparently they're located in San Francisco, and as you point out are very small. In several years..
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:38 PM
Jun 2021

....they've conducted only three polls on which Fivethirtyeight could rate them, so they gave them a B/C provisional rating.

They appear to be the Old Towne Media of pollsters.

dansolo

(5,378 posts)
42. Sounds like a bogus poll
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:29 PM
Jun 2021

This pollster has no real track record, and a history of supporting Bernie. This poll sounds like bullshit.

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. Autumn, they ARE always right with their poll RATINGS. Do you have any examples of where their....
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:23 PM
Jun 2021

....RATING of a pollster was wrong, Autumn?

A little background on this "pollster", Autumn. They've conducted only three credible polls over the years, two in California in 2010 (that's 11 years ago) and one in NY in 2018, in which they were wrong, Autumn.

Also, Autumn, based on all the tweets in post #40 here, they've had a close working relationship with Sanders and his people over the years. You do recall, Autumn, that Nina Turner was one of Sanders' co-chairs.

This is not a poll result upon which I'd hand my hat, Autumn.

Autumn

(45,343 posts)
86. I've never paid any attention to their polls so I really can't agree with you on that George
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:33 PM
Jun 2021
but I do know they have not always been right

George II

(67,782 posts)
94. Autumn, we're not talking about 538's polls, we're talking about their ratings of polls....
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:03 PM
Jun 2021

And they've never been proven to be wrong on their ratings.



By the way, as recently noted in this discussion, Tulchin Research boasts on their website that they were "most recently served as Bernie Sanders’s pollster in the U.S. Senator’s presidential campaign", so inasmuch as Turner was Sanders' (NOT Sanders's as he incorrectly states) was the house pollster of a candidate for which Turner was co-chair, that further proves the lack of credibility of this poll and the pollster.

Guess what, Nina Turner paid Tulchin Research $80,000 for "consulting" this year!!! What a shock!

George II

(67,782 posts)
145. According to some they do. Until yesterday I thought their primary objective was to compile polls...
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:55 AM
Jun 2021

...analyze them, and rate the pollsters (i.e., A, B, C, D....)

betsuni

(26,547 posts)
142. New Rule: Fiddledeedee, I don't pay attention to Nina Turner or polls or any of that old stuff.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:51 AM
Jun 2021

If you don't stop saying all these things I don't pay attention to, I'm not going to eat barbecue with you at the party!

George II

(67,782 posts)
108. Their last big polling job was working for Sanders....
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:54 PM
Jun 2021

"He most recently served as Bernie Sanders’s pollster in the U.S. Senator’s presidential campaign"

https://tulchinresearch.com/team/ben-tulchin/

And it turns out that he was paid $80,000 by Nina Turner's campaign in Jan/Feb this year (no April - June numbers available yet)

He's conducted only three credible polls as a "pollster" (before this one) - two in 2010 and one in 2018. Not exactly Gallup or Pew!

jalan48

(14,029 posts)
46. I remember when AOC upset powerful Dem Rep Joe Crowley. Some here on DU thought the world
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:45 PM
Jun 2021

was coming to an end.

jalan48

(14,029 posts)
54. My bad not tens of millions rather 13 million+ in 2016 and 9.6 million in 2020. Other than the
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:03 PM
Jun 2021

winners who else did better?

Cha

(300,362 posts)
84. lol.. yeah.. who could forget that BOGUS
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:31 PM
Jun 2021

claim.

So Grateful We Have President Biden & VP Kamala Harris!

And, Neera Tanden as Biden's Senior Advisor!

George II

(67,782 posts)
47. Tulchin Research???
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:48 PM
Jun 2021


Fivethirtyeight gives them a provisional rating of B/C with a right leaning bias.

No thanks.
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
91. Tulchin was Bernie Sanders' campaign pollster🙄. Do we have any other legit non-biased poll?
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:26 PM
Jun 2021

Tulchin Research founder Ben Tulchin:
(Not sure what year this bio was written but he's a past Bernie Sanders pollster&quot
So regardless of all the kudos & creds he lists, Tulchin is close to Bernie Sanders campaigns.

GO FIGURE WHY NINA SUDDENLY SHOWS UP POLLING at 50%! 🙄

https://tulchinresearch.com/team/ben-tulchin/

SNIP
"He most recently served as Bernie Sanders’s pollster in the U.S. Senator’s presidential campaign where Sanders far exceeded expectations by winning 13 million votes, 23 contests and 46% of the pledged delegates."

Considering the results of 2 Presidential primaries, I'd say Mr Tulchin's polling isn't something to put a lot of faith in.

"Money & Media" he said...

George II

(67,782 posts)
96. Not only that, but apparently Turner bought that poll. She's paid Tulchin Research $80,000 so far!!!
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:11 PM
Jun 2021
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
102. Makes ya curious what the ACTUAL #'s reveal.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:22 PM
Jun 2021

Anxious to see what #'s an independent non-bought or biased poll would show.

Are we hearing from any other pollster yet?


George II

(67,782 posts)
103. There have been no other polls yet. So much for "unbought and unbossed" and keeping money out....
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:26 PM
Jun 2021

...of politics, eh?

womanofthehills

(8,984 posts)
119. U.S. congressional candidate Nina Turner now endorsed by every Democratic state senator from Cuyahog
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:33 AM
Jun 2021

On Wednesday, Ohio State Senator Nickie Antonio announced her endorsement of Turner, who is running to fill the U.S. Congress seat that was vacated by United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Marcia Fudge. In addition to Antonio, Ohio Senate Minority Leader Kenny Yuko and Minority Whip Sandra Williams have backed Turner in her bid for the Ohio 11 congressional special election.


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Sympthsical

(9,389 posts)
88. Words cannot express how deeply disappointed I am
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:13 PM
Jun 2021

That I did not pick up some popcorn while at the store just now

oasis

(50,441 posts)
90. "Good Democrats" backed our Dem candidate against Trump in '16 and '20.
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jun 2021

"Good Democrats" knew Trump would be a national disaster. And he was.

What kind of a "Good Democrat" would not work as hard as they could to prevent 4 more years of a chaotic Trump presidency?

George II

(67,782 posts)
95. News Flash! This "poll" was conducted by Tulchin Research. Nina Turner paid Tulchin Research....
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:05 PM
Jun 2021

...EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS earlier this year!!!

Further confirmation that this is a fake poll.

betsuni

(26,547 posts)
107. Interesting. But ... grassroots? What happened to grassroots?
Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:46 PM
Jun 2021

I thought money in politics was bad.

Chili

(1,725 posts)
111. it's very unfortunate
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:09 AM
Jun 2021

She's running very good ads that don't even hint at what kind of person she will be if she wins. To beat her, Shontel Brown will have to go dirty and quote that "sh*t" remark she made about Biden, and her ugliness against Hillary - but not sure any of that would work. Crying in my iced tea.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
133. she is disliked in Ohio. I don't believe this poll and believe she would have difficult time winning
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:02 AM
Jun 2021

in 22. She is blamed quite a bit for Hillary Clinton's loss in 16.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
138. No Republican can possibly win Ohio's 11th District. It's only 39% white.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jun 2021

Especially after the former guy alienated every minority group on earth.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC has endorsed her. The people will decide, and no amount of Republican voter suppression will stop them.

Demsrule86

(69,364 posts)
124. Well now that I sold my house, I can work for her opponent. I despise Nina Turner.
Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jun 2021

She is running as a Democrat (using the Democratic Party but is not a Democrat. I will never forget nor forgive her comments about Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and other Democrats. She gets my vote only in the General and grudgingly too.

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