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malaise

(269,363 posts)
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:32 PM May 2021

So who's enjoying the Boris Johnson v Dominic Cummings war

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/29/he-came-he-spoke-but-what-will-cummingss-explosive-claims-mean

After more than two and a half hours of extraordinary testimony from Dominic Cummings to a Commons committee last Wednesday morning, Greg Clark, the former cabinet minister who had chaired the explosive morning session, called a short lunch break. He and his co-chair – the former health secretary Jeremy Hunt – had, like the other 20 MPs who were due to ask questions, been left stunned, appalled and riveted in equal measure by what they had just heard.

Expectations had been set high in advance of the appearance of the highly combustible Cummings. The ex-adviser had been forced out of Downing Street last November in a power struggle that had involved the prime minister’s fiancee, Carrie Symonds. Downing Street was on edge because Cummings had been firing off ominous preparatory salvoes on Twitter for days. But after a morning in the witness chair he had already exceeded his billing, unleashing accusations of such gravity that at times the MPs (and presumably much of the public watching on TV) found it all but impossible to keep up.

“To lift the lid on the inadequacies of a government he served, in the face of a crisis like Covid, in the way he did – so calmly – was unlike anything I have ever witnessed,” said one committee member.

Cummings had painted pictures of his former boss Boris Johnson as a hopeless, careless incompetent unfit for high office; of Matt Hancock as a serial liar of a health secretary who should have been fired “15 to 20 times”; and of the entire government and Whitehall machine as chaotic and dysfunctional at every level in their shambolic early response to the Covid-19 pandemic last year.
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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
16. Then Boris got it naturally
Sun May 30, 2021, 07:20 AM
May 2021

And almost died.

This is really a team of vipers, and yet they got reelected.

malaise

(269,363 posts)
3. Getting?
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:41 PM
May 2021

Boris and his Health Minister are up shit creek without a paddle
From the link
In all, the Cummings evidence would last seven hours, until late afternoon. Throughout, with his head propped on his hands, he dropped bombshell after bombshell with dizzying regularity. Strikingly, however – for someone who had denied having done anything wrong last summer when he drove to County Durham with his wife and child when suffering Covid symptoms – Cummings opened with a very personal apology, and later even ridiculed himself as unfit to have been a prime ministerial adviser. “In any sensible, rational government, it is completely crazy that I should have been in such a senior position, in my personal opinion,” he said. “I’m not smart. I’ve not built great things in the world. It is completely crackers that someone like me should have been in there, just like it’s crackers that Boris Johnson is in there.”

ananda

(28,924 posts)
4. And Keir Starmer is on the attack...
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:42 PM
May 2021

going after Johnson and the Tories for their chaos,
incompetence, and civil war.

I like this!

malaise

(269,363 posts)
5. Looks like the Trickle down posse
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:44 PM
May 2021

are pissing on themselves across the planet these days. I love internecine war.
Go Labour!

malaise

(269,363 posts)
9. The people are moving away from the right wing lunatics
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:36 PM
May 2021

We do have a say. These are interesting times

Emrys

(7,291 posts)
12. There's no sign of that happening in England. The Tories are riding high in the polls there,
Sun May 30, 2021, 12:01 AM
May 2021

despite weekly, almost daily, scandals.

Which makes me glad I live in Scotland.

Emrys

(7,291 posts)
14. I think there's been a twitch downward in one of the latest polls,
Sun May 30, 2021, 07:10 AM
May 2021

presumably as a result of Cummings' allegations, but more or less within the margin of error.

There's a standing joke on social media at the moment every time a new scandal emerges: "That's the Tories up five more points in the opinion polls": https://twitter.com/search?q=tories%20polls&src=typed_query

Some of it's a testament to the weakness of the Labour opposition, some of it's probably to do with the COVID crisis, where for some reason the government's cockups (including those alleged by Cummings, many of which haven't come as a surprise) aren't registering and the government's all people have to rely on to try to get us through (they're probably getting more credit than they're due for the vaccine rollout), and some of it's probably a hangover from the stark Brexit divisions, despite the fact that's been an unmitigated series of predictable disasters so far (and its ill effects have been masked to an extent by COVID). Labour offers no coherent alternative to all that.

The media in the UK are generally owned by big money interests, many overseas, and the BBC's been more or less taken over by the Tories, so coverage of these issues is generally inconsistent and fragmented, too often self-serving, and easily distracted by puff headlines about the latest dead cat flung on the table (not sure if Americans will understand that idiom - it's like shouting "Squirrel!" at an opportune moment).

Some sort of circle-the-wagons effect is probably at play among Tory supporters, too - we see that in other countries as well when populist parties (like the Republicans) are perceived to be under attack.

malaise

(269,363 posts)
18. Thanks for this
Sun May 30, 2021, 08:28 AM
May 2021

The reality is that there will be a global paradigm shift following this pandemic

Emrys

(7,291 posts)
19. I appreciate your optimism, but I think it'll be patchy.
Sun May 30, 2021, 11:40 AM
May 2021

Those old vested interests are very insidious and deep-rooted in many countries, and I doubt they'll go down without a prolonged and tortuous fight.

Emrys

(7,291 posts)
17. You have my sincere sympathy.
Sun May 30, 2021, 07:27 AM
May 2021

I lived in Reading during the early Thatcher years - it was a major driver for my eventual move to Scotland.

mainer

(12,037 posts)
20. For background on these guys, watch "Brexit" on HBO!
Sun May 30, 2021, 11:42 AM
May 2021

Starring Benedict Cumberbatch as Dominic Cummings.

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