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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPentagon's UFO footage -- and Obama's curiosity -- ratchet up expectations for a big reveal
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pentagon-s-ufo-footage-obama-s-curiosity-ratchet-expectations-big-ncna1268222So-called government disclosure is now the great white hope for UFO enthusiasts who feel like this subject has been unfairly derided.
Putting this up as an FYI. I am personally not interested in debating. But don't want to discourage discussion.
Disaffected
(4,572 posts)should not get their hopes too high. I predict it will be a nothing burger.
H2O Man
(73,668 posts)to do with Jim Jefferies. He never claimed to have found "crop circles" on his alfalfa farm.
Disaffected
(4,572 posts)what else did he claim? What else??
H2O Man
(73,668 posts)a chance of regaining the title, but Jack Johnson thought otherwise. But in 1910, Rep. James Robert Mann proposed the infamous Mann Act, specific to his dislike of Johnson's personal life. And now, Matt Gaetz is looking to Mann Act up. This neither proves nor disproves that Jefferies was an alien. But it provides giggles unto those who are enjoying Matt's misfortunes.
I hearby and therefore propose that all DUers of conscience send the link to this song to Gaetz's office:
jpak
(41,760 posts)Boom
edhopper
(33,651 posts)like fireworks.
Champp
(2,114 posts)edhopper
(33,651 posts)with a special UFO capture lens.
electric_blue68
(14,996 posts)Last edited Tue May 25, 2021, 03:15 AM - Edit history (1)
Actually one of the best memes ever!! 😂
Champp
(2,114 posts)I have definitely seen a huge, mollyhonking silent triangular craft floating smoothly and swiftly over a certain Midwest city about 10 years ago. Others saw it, too.
It was a UFO.
Unidentified (by me or others).
Flying (as never before seen).
Object (massive).
Ergo, UFO.
For me it's not a matter of "believing" in strange, unknown aircraft,
it's a matter of having "experienced" strange, unknown aircraft.
Duppers
(28,130 posts)A southern city, decades ago, massive oval shape, nighttime, seen by 100's, & reported in city paper. Yet, folks who weren't there, called it b.s.
It's one of those you must-see-to-believe things.
See this thread? https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215458504
Some contentious ppl there.
padfun
(1,792 posts)Nt
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Have the aliens been unable to reveal themselves to the public?
Who exactly is it that has this power over them?
edhopper
(33,651 posts)is saying the big reveal is they were not alien spaceships, but something with earthbound explanations.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)This is an earthly phenomenon which only certain Americans have been able to figure out?
Aldemelod
(29 posts). . . of interest in UFOs and aliens rising during times of social alarm and stress, such as Orson Wells' War of the Worlds broadcast on the eve of WWII, the Roswell incident when tensions with the Soviet Union were ratcheting up, and now the Senate report while the world is being wrenched by autocratic thuggism, accelerating climate change, and the rapid rise of AI and deep learning. Still looking for extraordinary evidence to support extraordinary claims.
People just dismiss unexplained psychosocial phenomena out of hand, because their minds are not open to the possibilities.
They need to follow the herd and attribute anything they dont understand to gods or aliens.
TomSlick
(11,126 posts)Welcome to DU.
frogmarch
(12,160 posts)might be visiting Earth - what with all that space junk orbiting our planet. Risky business!
Maybe a good way to find where ETs come from is to look for planets surrounded by millions of pieces of space junk.
SWBTATTReg
(22,191 posts)besides our civilian and military aircraft also, IMHO, and continuing this discussion, one doesn't want to run into these craft and crash, possibly killing others.
Who knows what will be released by the Pentagon...personally, I'm not expecting much with the release of anything concrete, being that this topic has always been highly sensitive for some reason to those in government and the military. Why? What further gets me is that they continued to investigate this even after they claimed to shut down Project Blue Book and other investigative avenues. Again, Why?
Are there/Is there still significant sightings still occurring that can't be explained? I strongly suspect so. I suspect that while some of the sightings are indeed new aircraft being tested or flown for other reasons, by US and/or other national entities (which is why the US Govt is so secretive, a good reason), there are some sightings not so easily explained that so many have seen. Reputable sightings by highly qualified persons who have spotted the craft, radar and thermal imagery have also caught such craft in their sights. Many witnesses have eyeballed the craft up close and personal.
The technologies displayed by such craft leaves our craft basically crawling in the mud. Makes sense, after all, the human race just entered into the flying arena starting in 1903 w/ the Wright Brothers, so we're babes in the woods basically with this type of technology, babes in the woods w/ computer technologies, babes in the woods with a lot of new technologies being engineered w/ the advent of new and far more computing power.
And if there are entities / non-worldly or otherwise (our Oceans are 70% of the earth's surface, and we've barely explored the depths thus far), then as a civilization engaging in space more and more, we must be prepared, be at least more knowledgeable in any hope of dealing w/ such things. Be prepared is a motto that the Boy Scouts and many advocate. It doesn't hurt to know more about the environment in which we fly in, swim in, or circle the earth in. Just smart.
And more than likely, some sort of non-interference methodology is involved, I would hope if anything. Don't interfere w/ existing cultures, otherwise a repeat of the cultures destroyed will occur when Columbus and others found North and South America, and the American Indians and the Incas were pretty well wiped out, not just by brutal conquest but by disease too. Advanced technologies in the wrong hands would do the same thing, potentially wiping out or harming others.
I suspect that there is some sort of policy embraced by the powers that be to simply ridicule those that report the sightings, despite the negative stigma.
The powers that be say that people would freak out knowing such things, I hope not, I'd like to think that the Human Race is, after being in space for a little time (since the 1960s) is ready, but I don't know...knowing how some of these djt people act and behave in times like today, how they feel and act so negatively about 'science' and other similar topics, I suspect not.
edhopper
(33,651 posts)Suppositions and conspiracy theories is they all presume that these are crafts with unheard of and unearthly capabilities and not mistaken accounts by the witnesses.
And there is little evidence that it is one or the other.
SWBTATTReg
(22,191 posts)in fact, shooting every discussion down...here's your own words...
"Putting this up as an FYI. I am personally not interested in debating. But don't want to discourage discussion."
Funny since this is the 3rd article on UFOs/etc. that I noticed from you over the last several days...most of which have your negative
comments/remarks that actually discouraged any further discussions in my opinion, as opposed to your so called your desire to not discourage discussion. Seems very contrary.
edhopper
(33,651 posts)padfun
(1,792 posts)She's a Senior Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers
edhopper
(33,651 posts)3rd dimensional observation of 4th dimensional phenomena. Nothing George Gamov didn't do 60 years ago.
She has no evidence this is what these videos are.
She is speculating without data.
padfun
(1,792 posts)but if you just ignore it, then you don't see it.
Same thing applies to recounts.
SWBTATTReg
(22,191 posts)there is amply evidence, not all which is known to the public, that may prove that there is more to this phenomenon that meets the eye. You can't deny what highly skilled pilots, other trained observers, and numerous witnesses have saw, you can't mock away what they saw as swamp gas, or some other idiotic excuses that some use to sidestep this very real phenomenon (IMHO). Take care!
electric_blue68
(14,996 posts)academically at least, if not persuded (for any number of legitimate reasons)? I haven't run into enough of your posts to know.
She's got some alone, being from JPL.
and
I haven't viewed this yet (just saw, and waay too late).
All this may have at least three explainations -
advanced aircraft by someone(s) here on Earth
psycho-social phenomenon (though UFO/UAPs have always been seen for a long time just seemingly more so in extra stressful times)
the real deal (I've heard a lot in years past, a there's some that are pretty damn 'woah'!)
Maybe - all three apply in different proportions.
I find the Deep Ocean one the least probable, but then again such an civillization advanced enough to survive those imnense oceanic pressures could be advanced each to hide themselves.
I mostly hope I'll be alive, cogent, and active to hear The Announcement when ever (if) it happens - if it's true.
padfun
(1,792 posts)And quite a few credits in physics and Mathematics but never declared a minor. And as far as I know, I can't go back to take a few courses for a minor.
I am retired now but might go back for a Masters just for the hell of it. If I do, it will be in Mathematics because that has always been my love.
Disaffected
(4,572 posts)but that was it. She needs to get a different hobby if she thinks that video is credible evidence of anything important.
And up until then it was mainly handwaving (literally too).
RandiFan1290
(6,260 posts)edhopper
(33,651 posts)it's a matter of the explanation for what they saw.
Polybius
(15,518 posts)In many cases, they are seen diving into the ocean. This theory might make more sense than them coming from outer space. Maybe wormholes and exceeding the speed of light truly are impossible.
edhopper
(33,651 posts)are not alien spacecraft of any kind and have a more prosaic explanation.
Polybius
(15,518 posts)Maybe they are advanced aircraft we're working on that regular pilots don't know about yet.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)...has caused us to lose decades of progress. At the very least, some of those objects are likely very very advanced creations of ours that will never see the light of day (or anytime soon at least), as being made mainstream would make the energy business not near as profitable as it has been and completely turn around how we as a society live.