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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHave Prince Philips funereal on. Stunned at the complete lack of minority military members.
Guess it shows my ignorance of the Black and Brown population size in England. But expected to see some representation. Gosh in this day and age.
Ok, just saw one Black man as they were loading the coffin onto the truck.
Demsrule86
(68,613 posts)Black and Brown people are treated.
ananda
(28,868 posts)Not a surprise.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)So if there were 3 black men and say 150 white men that would be about right.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)truly broken in your part of the world?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)I lived in the UK, so don't need to be an 'Armchair' expert..Maybe try Bing or Edge since it's apparent your Google is broken, and you are unable to research yourself..
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)...the facts are there...but continue to ignore them to support your beliefs...
Who has time to spend several posts demanding you post links but unable to look them up themselves? and then declares you lazy, because you won't do their work for them...
radicalleft
(479 posts)as per the google machine:
Black British citizens, with African and/or African-Caribbean ancestry, are the largest ethnic minority population, at three percent of the total population. Indian Britons are one of the largest overseas communities of the Indian diaspora and make up 2.3 percent of the total UK population.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)not 2%
FreeState
(10,572 posts)The census is given every ten years. One just started. The last one was done in 2011.
The 2011 UK Census recorded 1,904,684 residents who identified as "Black/African/Caribbean/Black British", accounting for 3 per cent of the total UK population. This was the first UK census where the number of self-reported Black African residents exceeded that of Black Caribbeans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British_people
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Last UK Census was just done this year...mixed race are not counted in identity label, so mis-leading data
FreeState
(10,572 posts)It hasnt been completed or released yet:
https://census.gov.uk/
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Deadline was last month...
Imagine if UK citizens were sitting across the pond, trying to convince US citizens of their census status...
FreeState
(10,572 posts) The census is here
Census Day was Sunday 21 March, but its not too late to take part
To start your census online, you will need your 16‑character access code
Start census
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Those are deadlines to fill it out...
I'm talking about the results....initial findings won't even be published till 2022
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)London is about 13% Black.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/britains-diversity-much-more-complex-it-seems
HipChick
(25,485 posts)are much more reflective...
Folks pretty much commute to London because housing is so expensive
Areas like Southall are almost exclusively Asian..
Wounded Bear
(58,674 posts)lapucelle
(18,285 posts)The whole incident is typical of the clashes on and around bases in Britain between black and white American troops 44 between November 1943 and February 1944 alone where the intrinsic racism in a segregated army led to confrontations. This was especially the case in a foreign setting where the black soldiers saw around them a very different reality from that they faced at home a non-segregated society where they were welcomed as fellow fighters against fascism, rather than tolerated hod-carriers for the war effort as they were generally treated by the US Army. Black American GIs stationed in Britain during the war, these in Bristol, were given a warm welcome by their hosts but treated harshly by their white US Army comrades.
Bullet holes found in the wood surrounds of the NatWest Bank in Bamber Bridge, in Lancashire in the north of England, in the late 1980s led to the rediscovery of an event that saw some of the few shots fired in anger in England during World War II, which had been largely forgotten. These were not shots fired by invading troops, but by American GIs against their own military police.
Intrigued by his discovery, Clinton Smith, the black British maintenance worker who discovered the holes in the woodwork, asked locals how they could have got there. He was told that they were the remnants of the Battle of Bamber Bridge, when black American troops stationed in the town faced off against white US Army military police on the night of June 24-25, 1943.
More a mutiny than a battle, it led to the death of Private William Crossland in nearby Mounsey Road, and four other injuries to black American soldiers in a five-hour confrontation which spread from the thatched Olde Hob Inn at one end of the town to the Adams Hall army camp, where from early 1943 the US Eighth Army Quartermaster Truck Company, a black company apart from a few white officers, had been based. The event was officially downplayed, in order not to undermine morale on the home front, but the events of that night led to the conviction of 27 black American soldiers.
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That evening in 1943, black troops and white locals were stretching out drinking-up time in a pub at the end of the evening. Words were exchanged, and military police arrived and tried to arrest Private Eugene Nunn for not wearing the proper uniform. But they faced new solidarities: a white British soldier challenged the military police: Why do you want to arrest them? Theyre not doing anything or bothering anybody.
The incident escalated into a fist fight and the military police were beaten back. When they returned with reinforcements to meet the group, now returning to camp, a battle developed in the street. Shots were fired, and Crossland died with a bullet in his back.
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At that time the Jitterbug was in and the blacks would get a buggin and the English just loved that. We would go into a dance hall and just take over the place because everybody wanted to learn how to do that American dance, the Jitterbug. They went wild over that.
The town did not share the US Armys segregationist attitudes. According to the author Anthony Burgess, who spent time in Bamber Bridge during the war, when US military authorities demanded that the towns pubs impose a colour bar, the landlords responded with signs that read: Black Troops Only. The extent to which this rankled the white American troops is shown by the comments of a lieutenant:
One thing I noticed here and which I dont like is the fact that the English dont draw any color line. The English must be pretty ignorant. I cant see how a white girl could associate with a negro.
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But the new freedoms they experienced in Europe meant they were not prepared to put up with discrimination, racism and racial violence again. As veteran Wilford Strange said in the documentary film Choclate Soldiers from the USA:
I think the impact these soldiers had by volunteering was the initiation of the Civil Rights movement, cos these soldiers were never going back to be discriminated against again. None of us were.
https://theconversation.com/black-troops-were-welcome-in-britain-but-jim-crow-wasnt-the-race-riot-of-one-night-in-june-1943-98120
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I spent many of my early years in England, and that is where I saw my first biracial couple. That was in the 60s, and I didnt see that here for many more years.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)lapucelle
(18,285 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)lapucelle
(18,285 posts)The point is that your initial, specific, factual claim is incorrect. American troops arrived in January, 1942. Caribbean immigrants arrived to help rebuild post-WW II Britain in 1948.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Please stop trying to white wash black history in the UK...
Many Caribbeans joined the British army...
https://www.discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/after-slavery/bristol-in-black-and-white/black-white-bristol/
lapucelle
(18,285 posts)American soldiers arrived."
I'm not sure what's more egregious .... the equivocation or resorting to a vile accusation in an attempt to rescue a flawed rejoinder.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Folks on DU never fail to amaze me...
You are claiming that blacks arrived in the UK in form of black American military....what's vile is being woefully ignorant....
lapucelle
(18,285 posts)Digging in, shifting the scope of your argument, and making personal accusations doesn't change the fact that your initial claim was and is incorrect.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and reinforced by culture, especially strongly in those prone to fear and mean attitudes toward others, less in those prone to openness and acceptance.
None of my people were from the UK, arrived here only @110 years ago now, and settled on the west coast, not New England. They got their traits from another area of Caucasian peoples. My lighter, liberal mix is a gift of nature, reinforced by being brought up in a relatively diverse and liberal society.
In the UK, nonwhites are something over 20% (increased since the 2011 census). Whether 2 or 3%, people of African ancestry are only one of the nonwhite races there or anywhere else. And of course, many from southern India are as dark or darker than many across the Arabian Sea in Africa.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,521 posts)Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)
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malaise
(269,093 posts)For all the racial problems in the United States, the US is way more of a meritocracy that Britain.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)malaise
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A white liberal English professor at a famous London hospital told a close friend that he'd be Dean in any American University Hospital but would never get that promotion in Britain.
Britain is way more subtle (and less violent) but even more racist than the US.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Institutional racism in UK is very prevalent...
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)lapucelle
(18,285 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)They were allowed a multi-million pound upgrade at Frogmore, which they then deserted, she was invited to Sandringham in very early days, Charles paid for her enormous clothing budget, she was assigned numerous advisors to help her adjust.
Yeah, real shunning there.
lapucelle
(18,285 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)wonderful the family was to her.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)What are your sources,apart from the Daily Mail news rag?
malaise
(269,093 posts)Any comments about the Pedo son?
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)away, but he will never be punished for his crimes.
Meghan, on the other hand, has done nothing wrong, yet she is a victim of unending vitriol.
lapucelle
(18,285 posts)I haven't seen it in the American media or here at DU.
Jedi Guy
(3,204 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)Akoto
(4,266 posts)abqtommy
(14,118 posts)support that drove Harry and Meghan away.
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)I think they did not give her the support she needed when she asked for support. They did not realize that was she was going through with the tabloids was not the same thing that they went through. They basically wanted her to suck it up but she felt she could not do that. However, I do believe someone (most likely Charles) pondered what would happen if the baby had a dark complexion. They probably thought that Harry would never repeat it. I also believe that they decided not to give the baby a title due to his race.
Kaleva
(36,315 posts)You won't spot much diversity here:
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)Why would one expect it to look like America?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)More like 8%+, once it's published...and doesn't include mixed race population
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)Prob not accurately collected in the first place, until they started attaching fines and making it compulsory
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Blacks we knew in Texas let us know the UK doesn't treat blacks as a very looked down upon outgroup like cops do in the US.
Wife and I were thinking about there or south Spain if things go bad with MAGA here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Lately, I'm anticipating South of France or Devon or Cornwall
BannonsLiver
(16,406 posts)JI7
(89,254 posts)all of Europe.
It's mostly racist white Americans who fearmonger about minorities taking over Europe.
Hekate
(90,737 posts)Ethnicity and religion statistics - Institute of Race Relationsirr.org.uk Research Statistics & definitions
The most recent Census in 2011 highlights that in England and Wales, 80 per cent of the population were white British. Asian (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, other) 'groups' made up 6.8 per cent of the population; black groups 3.4 per cent; Chinese groups 0.7 cent,Arab groups 0.4 per cent and other groups 0.6 per cent.
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white 87.2%, black/African/Caribbean/black British 3%, Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%, Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%, mixed 2%, other 3.7% (2011 est.) Christian (includes Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 59.5%, Muslim 4.4%, Hindu 1.3%, other 2%, unspecified 7.2%, none 25.7% (2011 est.)
United Kingdom Demographics Profile - IndexMundi