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Fla Dem

(23,706 posts)
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:42 AM Apr 2021

Have Prince Philips funereal on. Stunned at the complete lack of minority military members.

Guess it shows my ignorance of the Black and Brown population size in England. But expected to see some representation. Gosh in this day and age.

Ok, just saw one Black man as they were loading the coffin onto the truck.

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Have Prince Philips funereal on. Stunned at the complete lack of minority military members. (Original Post) Fla Dem Apr 2021 OP
Uk is racist...the treatment of Megan was the rule not the exception. Imagine how ordinary Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #1
The royal family has a long nazi/white supremacist history. ananda Apr 2021 #17
I've seen three Black men so far...and heard the comment from the Host "not much diversity!" eom DonViejo Apr 2021 #2
The UK is only 2% Black madville Apr 2021 #10
2% is incorrect... HipChick Apr 2021 #21
Then provide some link or info! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #27
Is google HipChick Apr 2021 #28
So you had a google link but too lazy to add it? Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #29
Are google charging for link these days? HipChick Apr 2021 #32
Ok, too lazy, I get it! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #33
Not too lazy, I have better things to do than support folks racism HipChick Apr 2021 #36
My lord...here ya go... radicalleft Apr 2021 #47
Actually last census data shows it at 8%.... HipChick Apr 2021 #49
No it did not (source included) FreeState Apr 2021 #60
See post #58 HipChick Apr 2021 #61
It's wrong FreeState Apr 2021 #62
It's correct....It had been completed... HipChick Apr 2021 #64
Do you read the link? FreeState Apr 2021 #67
Did you? I don't need to... HipChick Apr 2021 #69
London itself is about 60% white -- much more diverse than the rest of England. pnwmom Apr 2021 #68
Asian community is larger in London...Cities like Birmingham HipChick Apr 2021 #70
Well, England is where we got our white superiority and privilege ideas from... Wounded Bear Apr 2021 #3
... lapucelle Apr 2021 #11
I wonder how many on this thread will bother to read this, but thank you for posting it. Treefrog Apr 2021 #15
Bi-racial couples are more common... HipChick Apr 2021 #22
Interesting ... Thank you for posting this. 👍 nt Raine Apr 2021 #19
Caribbean immigrants helped to rebuild Britain, long before American soldiers arrived... HipChick Apr 2021 #37
American troops arrived in Britain in January 1942. N/T lapucelle Apr 2021 #38
Folks from Caribbean were there since 18th century...what's your point? HipChick Apr 2021 #40
Immigrants from the Caribbean were rebuilding Britain in the 18th century? lapucelle Apr 2021 #41
Your facts are incorrect...The first black person in Bristol was recorded in 1500.. HipChick Apr 2021 #42
Your claim is that "Caribbean immigrants arrived to help rebuild Britain long before lapucelle Apr 2021 #44
You have never lived in the UK, yet you are googling professing to be an expert on it's history... HipChick Apr 2021 #48
At this point, several of your claims are incorrect. lapucelle Apr 2021 #50
Bias against those different is a HUMAN trait, wired into our genes Hortensis Apr 2021 #13
Made me look it up. Apparently, ethnic minorities in UK are roughly 7.9% and participation in Hoyt Apr 2021 #4
Thank you. Treefrog Apr 2021 #6
According to Wiki, only 3% of Great Britain's population is black/brown. Arkansas Granny Apr 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author abqtommy Apr 2021 #8
You couldn't pay me to watch that circus malaise Apr 2021 #7
Agreed.. HipChick Apr 2021 #24
And you are well qualified to speak malaise Apr 2021 #25
Good example...I interviewed for positions in the UK and US HipChick Apr 2021 #31
This is no surprise considering that this is The Royal Family that shunned Meghan Markle. abqtommy Apr 2021 #9
Did the Duchess of Sussex say she was shunned by the Royal Family in the interview? N/T lapucelle Apr 2021 #12
Hmm, they gave her a 40 million pound wedding, Prince Charles walked her down the aisle himself. Treefrog Apr 2021 #14
Supported, escorted, and followed by three future kings. lapucelle Apr 2021 #18
Yes. People should watch the engagement interview where she waxed eloquent about how Treefrog Apr 2021 #20
Incorrect...they paid for the upgrade out of pocket.. HipChick Apr 2021 #23
I'm watching IPL cricket but tell me malaise Apr 2021 #26
Zip zero about the Pedo son...all the hate and vitriolic for Meghan though.. HipChick Apr 2021 #30
The pedo was ordained by god by virtue of his noble blood. They may hide him Politicub Apr 2021 #34
Where are you seeing that? lapucelle Apr 2021 #39
Yeah, I'll happily take some of that shunning. Could use a new wardrobe. N/T Jedi Guy Apr 2021 #66
During the interview she made clear that the Queen treated her warmly, no shunning there. nt Raine Apr 2021 #16
I thought it said during the interview that Harry's grandfather/the Queen esp. were supportive? nt Akoto Apr 2021 #45
I didn't follow "the interview" but I read other things that indicated that it was lack of abqtommy Apr 2021 #55
I don't think the family shunned her helpisontheway Apr 2021 #63
The same in the armies of China, Ireland, Japan, Australia, Egypt, Chile and many others Kaleva Apr 2021 #35
It is not America. cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #43
UK is 1.8% black (link), what you see is an over representation in the royal family uponit7771 Apr 2021 #46
A 10yr old study? HipChick Apr 2021 #51
It didn't double in those 10 years, pop of blacks in UK has always been relatively low uponit7771 Apr 2021 #52
Actually another census just got completed here in the UK HipChick Apr 2021 #53
nearly 400% increase in 10 years? uponit7771 Apr 2021 #54
It's a census...guidelines at best HipChick Apr 2021 #56
Hmmmm, Wikipedia says 3% black 50% increase from 2001 so not far fetched ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #58
They have been kicking Brits out of Spain lately... HipChick Apr 2021 #59
Yes, it does. BannonsLiver Apr 2021 #57
The UK is a very white country compared to the US. Same is true for most if not JI7 Apr 2021 #65
Google is a friend to us all: 3.4% in England are "Black groups" Hekate Apr 2021 #71

Demsrule86

(68,613 posts)
1. Uk is racist...the treatment of Megan was the rule not the exception. Imagine how ordinary
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:44 AM
Apr 2021

Black and Brown people are treated.

madville

(7,412 posts)
10. The UK is only 2% Black
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:12 AM
Apr 2021

So if there were 3 black men and say 150 white men that would be about right.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
32. Are google charging for link these days?
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:30 PM
Apr 2021

I lived in the UK, so don't need to be an 'Armchair' expert..Maybe try Bing or Edge since it's apparent your Google is broken, and you are unable to research yourself..

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
36. Not too lazy, I have better things to do than support folks racism
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:44 PM
Apr 2021

...the facts are there...but continue to ignore them to support your beliefs...

Who has time to spend several posts demanding you post links but unable to look them up themselves? and then declares you lazy, because you won't do their work for them...

radicalleft

(479 posts)
47. My lord...here ya go...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:19 PM
Apr 2021

as per the google machine:

Black British citizens, with African and/or African-Caribbean ancestry, are the largest ethnic minority population, at three percent of the total population. Indian Britons are one of the largest overseas communities of the Indian diaspora and make up 2.3 percent of the total UK population.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
60. No it did not (source included)
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:54 PM
Apr 2021

The census is given every ten years. One just started. The last one was done in 2011.

The 2011 UK Census recorded 1,904,684 residents who identified as "Black/African/Caribbean/Black British", accounting for 3 per cent of the total UK population. This was the first UK census where the number of self-reported Black African residents exceeded that of Black Caribbeans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_British_people

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
61. See post #58
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:59 PM
Apr 2021

Last UK Census was just done this year...mixed race are not counted in identity label, so mis-leading data

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
64. It's correct....It had been completed...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:46 PM
Apr 2021

Deadline was last month...

Imagine if UK citizens were sitting across the pond, trying to convince US citizens of their census status...

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
67. Do you read the link?
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:25 PM
Apr 2021

“ The census is here

Census Day was Sunday 21 March, but it’s not too late to take part

To start your census online, you will need your 16‑character access code

Start census ”

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
69. Did you? I don't need to...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:33 PM
Apr 2021

Those are deadlines to fill it out...
I'm talking about the results....initial findings won't even be published till 2022

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
70. Asian community is larger in London...Cities like Birmingham
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 07:37 PM
Apr 2021

are much more reflective...

Folks pretty much commute to London because housing is so expensive

Areas like Southall are almost exclusively Asian..

lapucelle

(18,285 posts)
11. ...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:15 AM
Apr 2021
Black troops were welcome in Britain, but Jim Crow wasn’t: the race riot of one night in June 1943

The whole incident is typical of the clashes on and around bases in Britain between black and white American troops – 44 between November 1943 and February 1944 alone – where the intrinsic racism in a segregated army led to confrontations. This was especially the case in a foreign setting where the black soldiers saw around them a very different reality from that they faced at home – a non-segregated society where they were welcomed as fellow fighters against fascism, rather than tolerated hod-carriers for the war effort as they were generally treated by the US Army. Black American GIs stationed in Britain during the war, these in Bristol, were given a warm welcome by their hosts but treated harshly by their white US Army comrades.

Bullet holes found in the wood surrounds of the NatWest Bank in Bamber Bridge, in Lancashire in the north of England, in the late 1980s led to the rediscovery of an event that saw some of the few shots fired in anger in England during World War II, which had been largely forgotten. These were not shots fired by invading troops, but by American GIs against their own military police.

Intrigued by his discovery, Clinton Smith, the black British maintenance worker who discovered the holes in the woodwork, asked locals how they could have got there. He was told that they were the remnants of the Battle of Bamber Bridge, when black American troops stationed in the town faced off against white US Army military police on the night of June 24-25, 1943.

More a mutiny than a battle, it led to the death of Private William Crossland in nearby Mounsey Road, and four other injuries to black American soldiers in a five-hour confrontation which spread from the thatched Olde Hob Inn at one end of the town to the Adams Hall army camp, where from early 1943 the US Eighth Army Quartermaster Truck Company, a black company apart from a few white officers, had been based. The event was officially downplayed, in order not to undermine morale on the home front, but the events of that night led to the conviction of 27 black American soldiers.

snip==========================================================================

The whole incident is typical of the clashes on and around bases in Britain between black and white American troops – 44 between November 1943 and February 1944 alone – where the intrinsic racism in a segregated army led to confrontations. This was especially the case in a foreign setting where the black soldiers saw around them a very different reality from that they faced at home – a non-segregated society where they were welcomed as fellow fighters against fascism, rather than tolerated hod-carriers for the war effort as they were generally treated by the US Army.
Do experts have something to add to public debate?

That evening in 1943, black troops and white locals were stretching out “drinking-up time” in a pub at the end of the evening. Words were exchanged, and military police arrived and tried to arrest Private Eugene Nunn for not wearing the proper uniform. But they faced new solidarities: a white British soldier challenged the military police: “Why do you want to arrest them? They’re not doing anything or bothering anybody.”

The incident escalated into a fist fight and the military police were beaten back. When they returned with reinforcements to meet the group, now returning to camp, a battle developed in the street. Shots were fired, and Crossland died with a bullet in his back.

snip================================================================================

The black American servicemen were welcomed into the leisure time of their British hosts in ways that spread solidarity. A former black GI, Cleother Hathcock, remembers:

At that time the Jitterbug was in and the blacks would get a buggin’ and the English just loved that. We would go into a dance hall and just take over the place because everybody wanted to learn how to do that American dance, the Jitterbug. They went wild over that.

The town did not share the US Army’s segregationist attitudes. According to the author Anthony Burgess, who spent time in Bamber Bridge during the war, when US military authorities demanded that the town’s pubs impose a colour bar, the landlords responded with signs that read: “Black Troops Only”. The extent to which this rankled the white American troops is shown by the comments of a lieutenant:

One thing I noticed here and which I don’t like is the fact that the English don’t draw any color line. The English must be pretty ignorant. I can’t see how a white girl could associate with a negro.

snip================================================================================

Keeping a segregated army in the context of fighting for democracy became untenable, and in 1948 the then US president Harry Truman signed Executive Order 9981 which eventually led to an integrated army. While the convictions of the troops involved at Bamber Bridge were largely commuted or overturned, soldiers returned to Jim Crow segregation in the US, with the reality that some veterans were lynched in their uniforms.

But the new freedoms they experienced in Europe meant they were not prepared to put up with discrimination, racism and racial violence again. As veteran Wilford Strange said in the documentary film Choc’late Soldiers from the USA:

I think the impact these soldiers had by volunteering was the initiation of the Civil Rights movement, ’cos these soldiers were never going back to be discriminated against again. None of us were.


https://theconversation.com/black-troops-were-welcome-in-britain-but-jim-crow-wasnt-the-race-riot-of-one-night-in-june-1943-98120
 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
15. I wonder how many on this thread will bother to read this, but thank you for posting it.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:44 AM
Apr 2021

I spent many of my early years in England, and that is where I saw my first biracial couple. That was in the 60s, and I didn’t see that here for many more years.

lapucelle

(18,285 posts)
41. Immigrants from the Caribbean were rebuilding Britain in the 18th century?
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:34 PM
Apr 2021




The point is that your initial, specific, factual claim is incorrect. American troops arrived in January, 1942. Caribbean immigrants arrived to help rebuild post-WW II Britain in 1948.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
42. Your facts are incorrect...The first black person in Bristol was recorded in 1500..
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:51 PM
Apr 2021

Please stop trying to white wash black history in the UK...

Many Caribbeans joined the British army...


https://www.discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/after-slavery/bristol-in-black-and-white/black-white-bristol/

lapucelle

(18,285 posts)
44. Your claim is that "Caribbean immigrants arrived to help rebuild Britain long before
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:07 PM
Apr 2021

American soldiers arrived."

I'm not sure what's more egregious .... the equivocation or resorting to a vile accusation in an attempt to rescue a flawed rejoinder.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
48. You have never lived in the UK, yet you are googling professing to be an expert on it's history...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:35 PM
Apr 2021

Folks on DU never fail to amaze me...

You are claiming that blacks arrived in the UK in form of black American military....what's vile is being woefully ignorant....

lapucelle

(18,285 posts)
50. At this point, several of your claims are incorrect.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:44 PM
Apr 2021

Digging in, shifting the scope of your argument, and making personal accusations doesn't change the fact that your initial claim was and is incorrect.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Bias against those different is a HUMAN trait, wired into our genes
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:33 AM
Apr 2021

and reinforced by culture, especially strongly in those prone to fear and mean attitudes toward others, less in those prone to openness and acceptance.

None of my people were from the UK, arrived here only @110 years ago now, and settled on the west coast, not New England. They got their traits from another area of Caucasian peoples. My lighter, liberal mix is a gift of nature, reinforced by being brought up in a relatively diverse and liberal society.

In the UK, nonwhites are something over 20% (increased since the 2011 census). Whether 2 or 3%, people of African ancestry are only one of the nonwhite races there or anywhere else. And of course, many from southern India are as dark or darker than many across the Arabian Sea in Africa.

The most recent Census in 2011 highlights that in England and Wales, 80 per cent of the population were white British. Asian (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, other) 'groups' made up 6.8 per cent of the population; black groups 3.4 per cent; Chinese groups 0.7 per cent, Arab groups 0.4 per cent and other groups 0.6 per cent.

Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

malaise

(269,093 posts)
7. You couldn't pay me to watch that circus
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:54 AM
Apr 2021

For all the racial problems in the United States, the US is way more of a meritocracy that Britain.

malaise

(269,093 posts)
25. And you are well qualified to speak
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:53 AM
Apr 2021

Last edited Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:17 PM - Edit history (2)


A white liberal English professor at a famous London hospital told a close friend that he'd be Dean in any American University Hospital but would never get that promotion in Britain.
Britain is way more subtle (and less violent) but even more racist than the US.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
31. Good example...I interviewed for positions in the UK and US
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:27 PM
Apr 2021

Institutional racism in UK is very prevalent...
 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
14. Hmm, they gave her a 40 million pound wedding, Prince Charles walked her down the aisle himself.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:38 AM
Apr 2021

They were allowed a multi-million pound upgrade at Frogmore, which they then deserted, she was invited to Sandringham in very early days, Charles paid for her enormous clothing budget, she was assigned numerous advisors to help her adjust.

Yeah, real shunning there.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
20. Yes. People should watch the engagement interview where she waxed eloquent about how
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:04 AM
Apr 2021

wonderful the family was to her.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
23. Incorrect...they paid for the upgrade out of pocket..
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:40 AM
Apr 2021

What are your sources,apart from the Daily Mail news rag?

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
34. The pedo was ordained by god by virtue of his noble blood. They may hide him
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:39 PM
Apr 2021

away, but he will never be punished for his crimes.

Meghan, on the other hand, has done nothing wrong, yet she is a victim of unending vitriol.

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
45. I thought it said during the interview that Harry's grandfather/the Queen esp. were supportive? nt
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:11 PM
Apr 2021

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
55. I didn't follow "the interview" but I read other things that indicated that it was lack of
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:25 PM
Apr 2021

support that drove Harry and Meghan away.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
63. I don't think the family shunned her
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:11 PM
Apr 2021

I think they did not give her the support she needed when she asked for support. They did not realize that was she was going through with the tabloids was not the same thing that they went through. They basically wanted her to suck it up but she felt she could not do that. However, I do believe someone (most likely Charles) pondered what would happen if the baby had a dark complexion. They probably thought that Harry would never repeat it. I also believe that they decided not to give the baby a title due to his race.

Kaleva

(36,315 posts)
35. The same in the armies of China, Ireland, Japan, Australia, Egypt, Chile and many others
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:39 PM
Apr 2021

You won't spot much diversity here:

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
53. Actually another census just got completed here in the UK
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:00 PM
Apr 2021

More like 8%+, once it's published...and doesn't include mixed race population

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
56. It's a census...guidelines at best
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:26 PM
Apr 2021

Prob not accurately collected in the first place, until they started attaching fines and making it compulsory

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
58. Hmmmm, Wikipedia says 3% black 50% increase from 2001 so not far fetched ...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:31 PM
Apr 2021

Blacks we knew in Texas let us know the UK doesn't treat blacks as a very looked down upon outgroup like cops do in the US.

Wife and I were thinking about there or south Spain if things go bad with MAGA here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
59. They have been kicking Brits out of Spain lately...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:38 PM
Apr 2021

Lately, I'm anticipating South of France or Devon or Cornwall

JI7

(89,254 posts)
65. The UK is a very white country compared to the US. Same is true for most if not
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:14 PM
Apr 2021

all of Europe.

It's mostly racist white Americans who fearmonger about minorities taking over Europe.

Hekate

(90,737 posts)
71. Google is a friend to us all: 3.4% in England are "Black groups"
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:13 PM
Apr 2021

Ethnicity and religion statistics - Institute of Race Relationsirr.org.uk › Research › Statistics & definitions
The most recent Census in 2011 highlights that in England and Wales, 80 per cent of the population were white British. Asian (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, other) 'groups' made up 6.8 per cent of the population; black groups 3.4 per cent; Chinese groups 0.7 cent,Arab groups 0.4 per cent and other groups 0.6 per cent.

*****************

white 87.2%, black/African/Caribbean/black British 3%, Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%, Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%, mixed 2%, other 3.7% (2011 est.) Christian (includes Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 59.5%, Muslim 4.4%, Hindu 1.3%, other 2%, unspecified 7.2%, none 25.7% (2011 est.)

United Kingdom Demographics Profile - IndexMundi


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