So what's the SOLUTION to gun violence?

[WarGamer]

I see people here and all over the spectrum blaming ALL KINDS of things.

Some come up with solutions that are unworkable or just impossible.

So... seriously, what are REAL solutions that will stop the kind of violence we've seen in the last few years?

Just a few I can think of (some not so possible)

1) Amend the Constitution. Abolish the 2A and go to a system that allows limited hunting rifles kept in State facilities and checked out then checked back in again.

Guns would have to be REQUIRED to be turned in. Door to door searches? Police searching vehicles during stops?

2) Eliminate ALL background check loopholes. No personal transfers, not even within families.

3) Since an AWB is unlikely and the current SCOTUS might find it unconstitutional... how about requiring a tax stamp and DEEP background check for a Semi-Auto Rifle purchase, similar to pre-86 NFA weapons?

4) Dissolution of the Union and a new country with Aussie/EU-like gun laws?

5) Institute a 25 year old minimum for purchases? Fuck the NRA, they've sued for that one before.



You know WHY you don't see many Mossberg 12 gauges with sawed off barrels? Because every gun owner knows that the mere possession of one will put you in jail.

Maybe we just need more laws and enforce them more rigidly? Automatic 10 year sentence for felon in possession?

So what are YOUR favorite ideas?

Keeping in mind that many of the common ones will NEVER happen?



One more note: The RW'ers often say "Laws only affect the law-abiding not criminals."

But let's look at mass shootings. Other than the inner city mass shootings (and there are many) the most pulicized mass shootings happened because someone without a public record was able to buy a gun. Make the gun harder to obtain and you name the mass shooting over the last 20 years and most wouldn't have happened.

Thoughts?

A great resource of workable (and not so workable) solutions.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/

[Mad_Machine76]

1. Training/Licensing/Registration/Universal Checks

[WarGamer]

4. 100% just like the Gifford Center suggests, totally doable.

Agreed.

[crickets]

9. Add insurance requirements as well and that's a keeper.

[WarGamer]

12. yup that too.

[Mad_Machine76]

13. Added!

[keithbvadu2]

15. One partial solution - NRA/gun orgs sell (mandatory) liability insurance

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215279100

"Guns: There's a "Free Market" Solution Every Republican Should Love"

Insurance lets the market decide. Profit for the NRA

Solution - NRA/gun orgs sell (mandatory) liability insurance

Protects the gun owners,the public,and makes profit for NRA and gun orgs.

Surely we can trust the gun orgs to not take advantage of such power.

...edited to add "mandatory'

[uponit7771]

37. +1, then the insurance companies would make sure these assholes have training

[Grins]

27. Only if it has background checks equal to a top security clearance...

...and laws that say ANY legal, medical, marital issues - no gun for you! Forever. Like the British do.

[joetheman]

2. The obvious answer is no guns.

[WarGamer]

3. OK. How?

Blinking and making them all disappear is best. So how?

[meadowlander]

6. Do what Australia did after Port Arthur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia

Lots of other countries have figured this out.

[WarGamer]

7. that's not an answer.

Constitution, sheer number of weapons.



Without abolishing the 2A/Constitution, those are all moot.

[WVGal1963]

5. Solution

The solution to many things involves Citizens United.......and thank you President Carter for always making sure this remains part of our political discussion.

[Under The Radar]

8. Get back to the regulations of 1968 Gun Control Act

That legislation was passed after the political assignations of the Kennedy’s and civil rights leaders.

[Funtatlaguy]

10. Australia figured it out. But Americans won't.

[WarGamer]

11. 2A Oh and 400+ million guns. nt

[Demsrule86]

19. Australia doesn't have a second amendment.

[Funtatlaguy]

20. I wish America didn't have one.

[jcboss]

14. Second amendment

As I understand it, we Americans have the right to bear arms. Does it say anywhere where that we have the right to bear ammo?

[WarGamer]

16. that's been debated

Any regulatory attempts to restrict ammo would be de facto gun control... similar to banning the distribution of printing ink to stop newspapers from printing.

[jcboss]

17. Second amendment

Ok. Just a serious common sense thought on my part.

[Demsrule86]

18. None of what you suggest which is very good by the way can happen in this political

climate. We might be able to get some regulation through maybe. That's it folks.

[Crunchy Frog]

21. Probably #4 to be honest.

In the meantime, I want to move my family to a country where they don't fetishize guns like they do here.

[JanMichael]

22. $10,000 bullets?

Chris Rock?

Cut off powder (sure some nuts will make their own but the vast majority will not) supply and limit bullet sales.

[Kaleva]

23. The carnage hasn't risen to the level where a majority of people would vigorously support changes.

Pre-911, people wouldn't have tolerated the security measures we now have in place.

Pre-Pearl Harbor, a majority of Americans supported neutrality.

Polls may show a majority of Americans support common sense gun control laws but they don't show how intense their feeling are about it. Not at all like the current mass protests we see whenever there is a killing of a black by a police officer or the anti-Vietnam War protests that took place in the 60's and early 70's.

[meadowlander]

25. If Sandy Hook didn't do it, nothing will.

Too many people have lost their soul in America.

[Kaleva]

32. People aren't willing to be tear gassed, beaten, incarcerated or spend big money to force change

The removal of the Jim Crow laws and the passage of the various Civil rights Acts didn't happen because people wrote letters to the editors.

[XanaDUer2]

24. Gun buy backs nt

[YMB]

26. Realistically

You arnt going be doing much as long as the SC is red, the senate being this close, the 2nd amendment still being there and the filibuster being intact. The aspects of things like registration and licensing would also be a VERY hard sell and and another AWB is long dead.

IMO in terms of gun laws specifically that might have a chance to pass (mind you itll still be an uphill battle) youd probably have the best bet with 3 types of laws.

One is closing certain loopholes in the system and actually ENFORCING the laws we already have. Theres too many stories of people who got guns legally when they shouldnt have because someone forgot to make a checkmark on a piece of paper or they got flagged and were given the gun anyway because no one fallowed up on the stop.

Two are waiting periods. You dont have to go crazy with these and force people to wait months, but even something like a week has shown results in stopping suicides, crimes of passion and "just having a bad day" scenarios.

Three and the most important are more liability laws. Youd help make sure people did their job in NICS reporting, fallowing up on red flag-esque issues and you would probably cut down on police being less trigger happy. On the civilian front more people would lock their shit up which would help with illegal guns on the streets and accidents (involving children especially). As well as not reporting stolen firearms.

Two other laws that stand an OK chance to pass would be Red Flags and Universal Background Checks, however with a UBC it would be rendered relatively pointless with out a national registry (which is its own hurdle). And the Red flag laws might be moot as well depending on what you actually include in it (see: law number one above which could act as a similar system).

What i would personally like to see is more being done in terms of social issues and safety nets. Better job security and pay, less wealth disparity, more legal drugs, better schooling and access to education, more freely available healthcare, less racial discrimination ect. ect. ect. Cut down on the reason one would turn to violence and suicide. Theoretically You wouldn't even need to touch anything gun related to make a significant dent in terms of gun deaths. And a lot of those things tend to be more accepted by the right once they are in place and they see how the work. Guns have always been a viciously divided thing and probably always will be. Even people on the left and democrats arnt as against them as they once were in part to all of the issues we've been seeing recently.

[WarGamer]

34. good ones

[Arthur_Frain]

28. There really isn't one.

Not for us. The United States is a gun culture. Hell, we invented it, you’ll see it in Russia, but that’s the result of everyone wanting to emulate us for so long, in every way.

There’s too many pieces in circulation, and too many who own them wouldn’t give them up if there was a general ban. Many in the police force are on record as not enforcing previous bans, and in view of what we’ve seen, selective enforcement of any ban is a certainty. Rednecks won’t have their guns taken, but minorities and liberals will. Most of the folks I know who are avid about it are making their own loads, some with their own home made powder.

And the pro gun lobby owns too many politicians.

I don’t think you’re ever going to see any real meaningful change here, not in this nation. It’s become a sicko culture. There are restaurants and coffee shops that encourage open carry, and their staff are always packing. These folks revel in it, thinking it gives them some real power.

If I’m honest with myself, I’m going to have to move to escape this culture.

[ansible]

29. Full blown, absolute gun confiscation and zero tolerance of private gun ownership

Of course, actually accomplishing that without triggering a civil war is another issue.

[Straw Man]

30. And ...

Full blown, absolute gun confiscation and zero tolerance of private gun ownership

Of course, actually accomplishing that without triggering a civil war is another issue.

... maintaining it while retaining any semblance of civil liberties is yet another.

[Thtwudbeme]

31. It's not that hard- Treat guns like cars

Guns should require safety training to obtain a license for ownership.

Insurance on them should be separate from homeowners.

Bullets should be taxed on a federal and state level with all money going to a general fund to compensate victim's families, and to assist municipalities to clean up after a mass shooting.

[forthemiddle]

33. Mandatory minimum sentences.

Although mass shootings get the headlines, the truth is that criminals using guns commit the most murders every year.
If there were true consequences for illegal gun possession in the first place, maybe those numbers would start to go down.
Every single time a crime is committed, and the person is in possession of a firearm, there should be a minimum sentence, that can not be plea bargained down.
Also, to get to universal approval to universal background checks, the Feds should open up the background check system to everyday users. If people could sell their personal firearms, without having to pay a third party to do the background check I’m sure they would use it. Make it a crime to not do the background check.

[WarGamer]

36. this is the easiest to achieve and would have the greatest effect.

[Wounded Bear]

35. Attitude adjustment...

as long as so many people think the answer to gun violence is arming more people, we'll get nowhere.

[NNadir]

38. I'd go with number 1. It does seem impossible, but then again, the independence of Estonia...

...Latvia and Lithuania once seem impossible as well.

[maxsolomon]

39. Frankly, I want to hear answers from the Gunners.

They excel at shooting down any proposals from us "Grabbers".

Either this level of carnage is acceptable to them, or they have no ideas. I think it's both.

[moondust]

40. More gunz!

The answer to more threats of gun violence is more guns everywhere for protection, right NRA? More gunz! More gunz! It's an arms race out there and Big Bubba ain't gonna get left behind!

[Amishman]

41. Fix our hopeless and rage filled society

Yes, we need better gun laws to mitigate the damage in the short turn.

I believe gun violence is a symptom of how broken our society is overall.

What do the shooters have in common? They are usually broken and disturbed people, consumed by madness or hate. The guns merely make their attacks more deadly, we ultimately need to address why more and more are doing this.

Lack of hope, lack of mental healthcare, lack of opportunity, lack of upward mobility. Inability to get a second chance.