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Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:19 AM

Abc news zombie thinks blood pressure of 200/167

Is "somewhat normal"

Jesus christ

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Reply Abc news zombie thinks blood pressure of 200/167 (Original post)
Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 OP
USALiberal Apr 2021 #1
Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #2
Aristus Apr 2021 #3
Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #4
Aristus Apr 2021 #6
MissB Apr 2021 #9
Aristus Apr 2021 #11
ananda Apr 2021 #12
Raven Apr 2021 #14
Aristus Apr 2021 #16
smirkymonkey Apr 2021 #5
Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #7
smirkymonkey Apr 2021 #8
The Magistrate Apr 2021 #10
Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #15
FBaggins Apr 2021 #17
The Magistrate Apr 2021 #18
FBaggins Apr 2021 #19
The Magistrate Apr 2021 #20
Dave says Apr 2021 #13

Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:20 AM

1. link? nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:22 AM

2. Live feed youtube

Where I'm watching

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:24 AM

3. Jesus Christ is right.

Someone who obviously knows nothing about medicine.

If I had a patient with a B/P of 200/167, first I'd shit myself, then I'd send them right to the nearest emergency room, then call ahead to the ER and tell them to clear the decks and get this patient in right away.

"Somewhat normal"...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 AM

4. And they just ramble about "he didn't die"

She did preface it by saying not a doctor.

No kidding

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:27 AM

6. I'm not a doctor, either, but I know emergent blood pressure when I see it!

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Response to Aristus (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:37 AM

9. Not a dr either

But isnít the bottom number supposed to be under 80? 70? And the top number should be closer to 100, or under?

200/167 is awful.

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Response to MissB (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:42 AM

11. Diastolic pressure generally shouldn't be over 90mm Hg.

If it gets to 120 or above, it's considered emergent.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:43 AM

12. My bridge partner nearly stroked out at the table.. with 190.

A doctor there told her to go straight to the ER
and that saved her life.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:44 AM

14. Here I am...an almost exact example of what you are referring to.

BP: 198/162. Usually 105/65. Was having trouble breathing. Called 911. Turned out I had had a PE...blood clots in both lungs. The high BP was from the stress of not being able to breathe, not from the PE, but it was a warning sign that I'm glad I heeded. I'm fine now.

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Response to Raven (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:47 AM

16. Good. I'm glad.

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:26 AM

5. What is this in reference to?

Who has bp of 200/167?

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:30 AM

7. George Floyd arrest before

Shown in trial from 5/29/19

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:33 AM

8. Oh, ok.

Thanks. Sorry, I don't get the news channels.

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:39 AM

10. And Utterly Irrelevant, Sir

It is common knowledge stressful circumstances can increase blood pressure temporarily.

Arrest would qualify as one such.

But the fact that Mr. Floyd had a blood pressure spike a year or so before he was murdered on the public way means nothing. It cannot in any way excuse, or reduce the culpability of, the man who murdered him, and the murderer's accomplices.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:44 AM

15. No one said that

The issue prosecutor was hinting at was

"Did he need to go to the hospital?"


There is only one answer.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:59 AM

17. Not insurmountable for the prosecution, but far from utterly irrelevant

If that date is correct... they're saying that a prior arrest put him into a hypertensive emergency that could easily have been deadly.

Presuming nobody roughed him up as part of that interaction, it could help the defense given the specific charges.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 12:06 PM

18. Does Not Accord With Expert Medical Testimony, Sir

Quite expert testimony, too, regarding the actual cause of Mr. Floyd's death under a murderer's knee.

Note that with that condition a year prior, he lasted some hours under hospital observation without displaying serious distress, let alone dying.

Irrelevant to the point it makes grasping at straws seem a ration effort by comparison.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 12:31 PM

19. If your courtroom experience matches your handle...

... you know that there will be "experts" on both sides. The question is what the jury hears and what they consider to be a reasonable doubt.

It took me 30 seconds to find a medical study documenting a 12.5% short-term mortality rate for hypertensive emergencies... and the reported BP is well above the threshold (180/120). The fact that 87.5% survive at least a few days does not mean that it isn't a deadly emergency.

Add that to video evidence that Floyd was unable to breathe before anyone touched him at all? Doesn't change my conclusions as to the likely cause of death... but causes me to question whether a dozen jurors will unanimously agree with me.



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Response to FBaggins (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 12:51 PM

20. Some Experts Are More Expert Than Others, Sir

I am inclined to give the former greater weight.

The man's blood-pressure while under the murderer's knee is unknown, no one having taken it. What his blood pressure was a year before is immaterial, even if the circumstances were broadly similar. Prior to Chauvin's murderous assault, he could have had blood pressure in a normal range, and there is in fact no particular reason to suspect he did not.

Nor does a one in eight possibility of death over a period of several days afflicted with such extreme hypertension say anything at all about the likelihood he might just have keeled over that day without the murderer's knee on his neck for nigh on ten minutes. Nor does it matter if, with the murderer's knee on his neck, he had a sudden episode of extreme hypertension and died --- that is just how the murder came to kill him. Murderers take their victims as they find them, and if a health condition afflicting the murderer's victim chooses the moment of the murderous assault to do its worst, that does not exonerate the murderer in the slightest.

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:44 AM

13. Why is the judge allowing this?

His blood pressure in 2019 has nothing to do with his murder in 2020.

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