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Goodheart

(5,321 posts)
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 09:58 AM Apr 2021

A light bulb in the Livermore CA fire station has been burning continuously for 120 years

Old style incandescent bulb. Its signficance? It predates planned obsolescence as a corporate strategy. In the case of light bulbs, it was a collective, international, conspiratorial planned obsolescence.

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A light bulb in the Livermore CA fire station has been burning continuously for 120 years (Original Post) Goodheart Apr 2021 OP
If this is the same light bulb from a similar story about 20 years ago... JHB Apr 2021 #1
:) Light flashes ON! Even if it doesn't feed victimization and dystopian notions. Hortensis Apr 2021 #7
There is never a power outage? BunnyMcGee Apr 2021 #2
Well sure, there must be... robbob Apr 2021 #5
For God's sake nykym Apr 2021 #3
Incandescent bulbs last longer if they use more electricity per lumen, it's a trade off. Progressive dog Apr 2021 #4
And they don't get hot. ratchiweenie Apr 2021 #8
No WHITT Apr 2021 #6
The story with incandescent light bulbs isn't so simple as "planned obsolescence." hunter Apr 2021 #9

JHB

(37,159 posts)
1. If this is the same light bulb from a similar story about 20 years ago...
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 10:04 AM
Apr 2021

... there is another factor which is likely the biggest factor:

It never gets turned off.

With no on/off cycle, the filament doesn't go through repeated expansion and contraction from heating up and cooling down. That expansion fatigues the filament material to the point where it breaks.

Without the fatigue, and protected from corrosion by the bulb glass, it keeps on shining.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. :) Light flashes ON! Even if it doesn't feed victimization and dystopian notions.
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 10:19 AM
Apr 2021

Sure, planned obsolescence is real, but physical obsolescence and degradation are also.

Always question extreme and odd claims, and any suggestion that old-style light bulbs would have routinely lasted 100 years without planned obsolescence is definitely to be questioned.

BunnyMcGee

(463 posts)
2. There is never a power outage?
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 10:10 AM
Apr 2021

due to earthquakes, etc?
I think I read about this in Guinness Book years ago.

robbob

(3,528 posts)
5. Well sure, there must be...
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 10:16 AM
Apr 2021

But I would imagine it’s the constant on/off cycling that wears the filament out over time, not the occasional interruptions that probably average out to once a decade.

Also; being a fire station means it’s possible they have emergence back up on the lighting system.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
4. Incandescent bulbs last longer if they use more electricity per lumen, it's a trade off.
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 10:14 AM
Apr 2021

The lifetime cost of more efficient incandescent light bulbs would have been much much much less than those old technology light bulbs.
It's known as progress.
That's why I started buying LED bulbs over a decade ago. They are even more efficient now and they last longer than incandescents.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
6. No
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 10:19 AM
Apr 2021

The secret is the size of the "filament", if you want to call something that thick by that nomenclature.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
9. The story with incandescent light bulbs isn't so simple as "planned obsolescence."
Fri Apr 2, 2021, 11:28 AM
Apr 2021

Incandescent light bulbs that last longer are less efficient. That's just the physics of tungsten filament lighting. If you want longer lasting bulbs then you have to burn more coal at the power plant to get the same amount of light.

In many parts of the world electricity for lighting was billed separately from electricity used for other purposes. During the first stage of electrification the electric company converted your home or business from gas to electric lighting and then charged rates similar to gas. This rate might be set by government regulation.

If you wanted to use electricity for other purposes those additional outlets were wired on a separate meter and this electricity generally cost more. The idea was that people using electricity for newfangled technologies other than lighting (electric toasters and such...) would pay the capital costs of building more power plants and increasing the capacity of the electric grid.

In some place it was illegal to connect anything but a light bulb to a lighting circuit. You could have your electric service disconnected if you got caught with one of those adapters that lets you plug an appliance into a light bulb socket.

Setting the standard for incandescent light bulbs at 1000 hours leveled the playing field for light bulb manufacturers and allowed them to sell more bulbs but it also reduced the amount of coal burned to power lighting circuits.

In 1951, Monopolies and Restrictive Practices Commission in the United Kingdom issued a report to Parliament and noted that:

"As regards life standards, before the Phoebus Agreement and to this day the general service filament lamp was and is designed to have, on average, a minimum life of 1,000 hours. It has often been alleged—though not in evidence to us—that the Phoebus organisation artificially made the life of a lamp short with the object of increasing the number of lamps sold. As we have explained in Chapter 9, there can be no absolutely right life for the many varying circumstances to be found among the consumers in any given country, so that any standard life must always represent a compromise between conflicting factors. B.S.I, has always adopted a single life standard for general service filament lamps, and the representatives of both B.S.I, and B.E.A., as well as most lamp manufacturers, have told us in evidence that they regard 1,000 hours as the best compromise possible at the present time, nor has an evidence been offered to us to the contrary. Accordingly we must dismiss as misconceived the allegation referred to above."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel


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