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speak easy

(9,268 posts)
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:06 PM Mar 2021

Shame - SHAME on 538 for covering Rasmussen Reports' deceit.

Rasmussen Reports has a well known pro GOP sampling bias. Everyone knows that, and 538 compensates for it when added their numbers to aggregates.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

No amount of compensation however, can excuse results like their numbers for March 3-7 -
Biden approval +0 (49/49)

Rasmussen have a 'unique' method of distributing undecided/don't knows
Their numbers of Biden's disapproval are so out line with reputable pollsters, it beggars credible belief.

But that is not what this OP is about.

Yesterday, I reported posted that Rasmussen's 'polls' had Biden's net approval falling after the stimulus checks started to be received - a result that exposes them to ridicule.

March 10-14 +6 (52/46)
March 15-17 +4 (51/47)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215243874

Yes, there's sampling bias, sampling error, and then, at a 95% confidence interval, fraud.

It is not that Rasmussen has a pronounced GOP bias, it is that they appear to operate as a propaganda outfit. As 538 themselves have noted, Rasmussen's results 'magically' fall into line with reputable pollsters on GE eve.

And here we are.

But that is not what is OP is about.

No, today 538 have restated Rasmussen's recent polling

March 11-15 +4 (51/47)
March 16-18 +4 (52/48)

It's not only Rasmussen who are cooking the books.

Rasmussen Reports are a rogue pollster, and 538 are covering for them.

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brooklynite

(94,610 posts)
1. Why are you blaming 538?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:08 PM
Mar 2021

They report polls. They also evaluate and rate the validity of pollsters. You can then evaluate for yourself.

Personally, I'd prefer not to have someone else decide what I should and should not be exposed to.

speak easy

(9,268 posts)
2. I am criticizing them for giving credibility to a propoaganda outfit.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:14 PM
Mar 2021

Maybe 538 might like to start adding polls by Dick Morris into their aggregates. I suspect he would welcome the invitation.

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
5. 538 Does An Adjustment For Every Poll They Record in Their Tracking So They're 2 Sets of Numbers
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:30 PM
Mar 2021

Everyone knows Rass is shitty and its main goal is driving a narrative for the GOP. Folks treat their results accordingly. I have not heard any Media who is not in the right wing bubble cite Rass's results when discussing Biden's approval. They all generally speak of his approval being "close to 60%" when not referring to a specific quality poll.

speak easy

(9,268 posts)
6. You can not adjust for poll biases,
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:40 PM
Mar 2021

when the bias is unrelated to data. When books are cooked, what matters is the chef, not the recipe.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
7. 538 adjusts for partisan bias so it's wise to include rasmussen
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:41 PM
Mar 2021

A candidate leading by 80 on rasmussen is more likely to win than someone leading by only 10. That is predictive information so it should not be discarded.

speak easy

(9,268 posts)
8. As stated above, you can not adjust for partisan bias
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:45 PM
Mar 2021

when that bias is independent of the data. When books are cooked, what matters is the chef, not the recipe.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
13. It still has non zero predictive validity
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:00 PM
Mar 2021

538 adds up a thousand bits of data to get a prediction. Even a measure with only a two percent correlation with the correct outcome has value. I think Rasmussen data has non zero positive correlation with the outcome. Don’t you?

speak easy

(9,268 posts)
14. If you arbitrarily play around with the numbers,
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:06 PM
Mar 2021

within the MoE, 'it still has non zero predictive validity', but fatally compromises a tracking poll.

speak easy

(9,268 posts)
15. As stated above,
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:10 PM
Mar 2021

Arbitrarily playing around with the numbers, within the MoE, fatally compromises a tracking poll. When cooking the books, it is the chef that matters, not the recipe. You cannot correct for partisan bias when that bias is unrelated to the data.

speak easy

(9,268 posts)
17. If you unconcerned about data/pollster integrity
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:27 PM
Mar 2021

best school those bigger fish away from polls in general.

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