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Doremus

(7,261 posts)
Tue Mar 16, 2021, 08:58 PM Mar 2021

Biden's Child Tax Credit as Universal Basic Income

https://prospect.org/economy/bidens-child-tax-credit-as-universal-basic-income/

For several decades, child advocates have tried to bring more public indignation to the scandal of extreme child poverty, and have pushed for the expansion of the Child Tax Credit. In recent years, some progressives have called for something that seemed even more utopian, a universal basic income.

Well, gentle reader, we just got both. And the brilliance is in the details.

The credit, which is really a family allowance run through the IRS, provides $3,000 a year for each child under 18, topped up to $3,600 for kids under six. So a family with three kids gets almost $10,000. As a point of reference, the average income of the bottom 20 percent of American households is about $14,000.

The new Child Tax Credit will cut the rate of child poverty in half, and will raise the total incomes of the bottom fifth of American families by 33 percent. I never expected to see something like this in my lifetime.

It’s not enough, but it’s one hell of a leap forward—that will create momentum for more leaps. And a special shout-out to Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT), who has been this idea’s champion for decades.


Wow, this is such wonderful news!
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Biden's Child Tax Credit as Universal Basic Income (Original Post) Doremus Mar 2021 OP
Then make it THAT. Universal basic income. Not some incentive to have children. Goodheart Mar 2021 #1
Agreed. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #2
I agree aquamarina Mar 2021 #3
Me too. Haggard Celine Mar 2021 #4
Exactly. Goodheart Mar 2021 #11
This payment is a fraction of what it costs to raise a child. honest.abe Mar 2021 #13
I wouldn't be. Goodheart Mar 2021 #14
Even so, is that bad?? honest.abe Mar 2021 #15
Our birth rate NEEDS to be in decline. Goodheart Mar 2021 #16
Clearly that's a debatable topic. honest.abe Mar 2021 #17
Indeed. Goodheart Mar 2021 #18
The only thing that bothers me is that younger kids get more money. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2021 #5
Daycare is a budget killer. honest.abe Mar 2021 #12
UBI should be for everyone Meowmee Mar 2021 #6
That's good except it isn't UBI. It's the American Rescue Plan tax credit. nt Doremus Mar 2021 #8
Am I missing something here? Meowmee Mar 2021 #9
I'm not hearing the usual DU mantra. Doremus Mar 2021 #7
I have a more holistic outlook than just giving money to people with children, Goodheart Mar 2021 #10

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
1. Then make it THAT. Universal basic income. Not some incentive to have children.
Tue Mar 16, 2021, 08:59 PM
Mar 2021

I am very much opposed.

Haggard Celine

(16,846 posts)
4. Me too.
Tue Mar 16, 2021, 09:17 PM
Mar 2021

People need to stop breeding so goddamn much if they can't afford it. I don't have a problem with giving out free birth control or possibly even surgeries to prevent pregnancy. The world is already overpopulated. Let's encourage people to have fewer children and adopt children who are already here and need families.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
13. This payment is a fraction of what it costs to raise a child.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 07:34 AM
Mar 2021

I would be surprised if anyone decides to have more children based on getting extra 300 / month. Although it certainly helps.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
15. Even so, is that bad??
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 09:28 AM
Mar 2021

In fact its probably a good thing. From recent reports our birth rate is in rapid decline. That will not be good for the future if that trend continues. I understand about overpopulation and the pressures on our environment but we do need a certain level of birth rate to keep our society functioning.

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
16. Our birth rate NEEDS to be in decline.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:06 AM
Mar 2021

We already have too many people. I don't agree that population decline will be bad for our society.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
17. Clearly that's a debatable topic.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:56 AM
Mar 2021

I tend to agree with you up to a point. Not sure exactly where that point is.

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
18. Indeed.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:14 AM
Mar 2021

I just know that wilderness areas are scarce, privacy is rare, natural resources are dwindling, and property values are through the roof.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
5. The only thing that bothers me is that younger kids get more money.
Tue Mar 16, 2021, 09:32 PM
Mar 2021

Older ones cost more, in my personal experience.

Otherwise, I'm happy with a UBI (Universal Basic Income). I hope this becomes permanent.

And yes, I might have to pay slightly higher taxes, and no, I didn't get this when I had kids. So what? I can afford slightly higher taxes, and honestly, what happened in the past isn't the issue. Let's go forward with this.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
12. Daycare is a budget killer.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 07:21 AM
Mar 2021

When our kid starts going to public school next year we will be saving over 1000 month.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
9. Am I missing something here?
Tue Mar 16, 2021, 11:22 PM
Mar 2021

The article title and op says tax credit for children as universal basic income.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
7. I'm not hearing the usual DU mantra.
Tue Mar 16, 2021, 10:07 PM
Mar 2021

"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good," "one step at a time," "incremental progress is always best," "you don't get your ponies today, sorry."

Now, on this issue, it's "reach for the sky and (probably) end up empty handed."

What's up here? What is it about lifting children out of poverty that triggers this?

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
10. I have a more holistic outlook than just giving money to people with children,
Tue Mar 16, 2021, 11:24 PM
Mar 2021

especially when that means more money the more children you have. That outlook includes worried perspectives on climate, natural resources, and what we can afford as a society in the long term.

How about we let people make their own family size choices, and then be responsible for them?

Yes, I know I'll catch flak for that among fellow Democrats, but it's not reasonable to expect to agree on EVERYTHING.





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