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H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:05 PM Mar 2021

Canker Cluster

I am old enough that I should have known better. Clips of the human fungus, Ted Cruz, in his failed attempt at stand-up comedy could have been enough of a warning. Surely the brief film of Roger Stone dancing in the parking lot provided a flashing red light, warning me to stop watching. But I had a valid reason for watching Trump's cpac speech.

(Note: My valid reason is that, due to health & recent injury, I have been largely confined to a single spot in my house since late Friday. With the exception of hobbling to the bathroom -- with my right leg giving out on me approximately 50% of the times I have attempted to -- I have been stationary. The remote was about ten feet from me, too far for me to grasp. Hence, I am currently in the middle of the bathroom and the couch, writing this before I call my doctor to explain why I cannot be there today, as previously scheduled.)

As CNN's Brian Stelter recently noted, it is important not o be distracted by the Trump cult's attempts to derail our focus on what is important. Before examining the significance of Trump's speech, let's consider three other important factors. First, the polling of cpackers showed that about one-third of them prefer that Trump not be the republican candidate in 2024. Second, Mike Pence came in lower in popularity than Donald Jr., and was mentioned less than Tiffany Trump. Third, the symbolism of the room and the golden calf are more significant than any of the pre-Trump speeches.

Within moments of Trump opening his sphincter to speak, it was clear that he was re-enacting many of the lines and themes he had used from 2015 on. On the surface, it was evident that his entire term in office was primarily a re-election campaign, with rallies and tweets that repeated a limited number of messages ad nauseam. Yet the repetition of a simple message -- especially of coded appeals to fear and hatred -- is a tactic that tyrants have long found effective in programming their supporters. It reaches the target audience on a level just below the surface of consciousness, much like nazi variant of the Odal rune and the golden calf. None of this was coincidence.

For the first two-thirds of his speech, Trump's delivery was more focused than any presentation he has made since 2016. He was concentrating on his target more intensely than at any time since he was recorded on the Access Hollywood tape. He was sowing the seeds for the continuation of the war against the United States that I had hoped had shot its wad on the January 6 insurrection.

The last section of the speech was all about his being a sore loser, much the same as his obnoxious behavior after the November election. As others have noted, this is no surprise, as he was a sore winner in 2016. It remains to be seen if this helps or hinders his effort to stir the pot of violence in America.

What we can say with absolute certainty is that the struggle continues. I know that many, most likely most, people are tired. A lot of people feel drained emotionally. The pandemic, the loss of loved ones, and the social isolation take a toll upon strong people. Add the on-going horror of the Trump cult, and it is evident that we are in a difficult time.

But there is good news. We won extremely important elections last November. Trump was impeached for a second time. Perhaps the very best thing about being a smear on my couch these past couple of days, unable to sleep due to pain, is that I've watched hours of film of various congressional committee hearings. The Senate Watergate Committee, the House committee debating articles of impeachment per Nixon, the House Committee on Assassinations, the Iran-Contra hearings, the Kerry Committee (1988), and the House Committe hearings on the CIA and drug trafficing (1998).

Now, not everything was wonderful or heroic during all of those hearings. I remember, for example -- regardless of one's beliefs about those assassinations -- Dick Gregory's saying that one House member told him that they knew J. Edgar Hoover was connected to King's murder ....but despite Hoover's being dead for several years, they felt pressure not to address his role in detail. On the other hand, watch John Kerry in 1988, and/or Maxine Waters testifying in 1998, for outstanding examples of brains and guts. Amazing, even after all these years.

The House managers at both of Trump's impeachment hearings were as good a anything I've seen. While I might not agree with everything from each and every Democrat in the House and Senate, or White House, I am 100% confident that they have their end covered. What is important now, and especially as we approach April, is that we at the grass roots level continue to do our job. And I am 100% confident that we can do exactly that.

Apologies for a long, rambling rant. Back to the couch for this old grouch.

H2O Man

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Canker Cluster (Original Post) H2O Man Mar 2021 OP
Enjoyed your "rant", H2O Man, True Dough Mar 2021 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author True Dough Mar 2021 #2
And we MUST keep the House next year. dalton99a Mar 2021 #3
Exactly! H2O Man Mar 2021 #7
WTH? Me. Mar 2021 #4
It is a bit icy H2O Man Mar 2021 #8
You Need A Good Smack Me. Mar 2021 #14
Well, Me ..... H2O Man Mar 2021 #18
See, That's What I Mean Me. Mar 2021 #21
I hate to say I told you so Saoirse9 Mar 2021 #23
It's not my fault! H2O Man Mar 2021 #26
OMG stop stealing trump's lines Saoirse9 Mar 2021 #37
+1 Me. Mar 2021 #39
"stubborn Irish potato head" Me. Mar 2021 #32
My gods, that sounds like my family, & I didn't know it was an Irish thing... Hekate Mar 2021 #17
It's a curse. H2O Man Mar 2021 #24
Apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree n/t Saoirse9 Mar 2021 #47
Hope you're on the mend soon and as alway, thanks for the great post. n/t SheilaAnn Mar 2021 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2021 #9
Did you watch "Ripper Street"? That will keep you interested..LOL. n/t SheilaAnn Mar 2021 #20
I haven't. H2O Man Mar 2021 #22
I couldn't watch Chump or any of the CPAC speeches FakeNoose Mar 2021 #10
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2021 #12
First, thanks so much for watching CPAC so I didn't have to, & for the historical lens... Hekate Mar 2021 #11
I'm starting to feel better. H2O Man Mar 2021 #25
Rest up, get better blogslut Mar 2021 #13
"The fight goes on"!!!! H2O Man Mar 2021 #27
Feel better soon, H2O Man. Kid Berwyn Mar 2021 #15
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2021 #28
Thank you for your bravery in wading into that sewer known as nazi-pac. You are far braver than I. niyad Mar 2021 #16
Thank you so much! H2O Man Mar 2021 #29
I thought when cokehead said t-pac, he meant t----**. niyad Mar 2021 #34
Seconded mahina Mar 2021 #46
Thanks for taking one for the team, crickets Mar 2021 #19
The Iran-Contra hearings H2O Man Mar 2021 #30
Get well soon... Grey5 Mar 2021 #31
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2021 #33
Ah, I knew you had it in you! I adore hyperbole, and PatrickforB Mar 2021 #35
So good to read your post, you "old grouch" Docreed2003 Mar 2021 #36
Get well. Dammit! panader0 Mar 2021 #38
You are spot on, H2O Man. gademocrat7 Mar 2021 #40
Thank you for watching that horrible video so I don't have to. Saoirse9 Mar 2021 #41
Thanks for the drumph cpac review. Be well soon, and be more careful!! electric_blue68 Mar 2021 #42
Which is more painful ... Martin Eden Mar 2021 #43
Nice rant! burrowowl Mar 2021 #44
Take the best care of yourself man. I'm really sorry to hear mahina Mar 2021 #45
GWS brother voteearlyvoteoften Mar 2021 #48

True Dough

(17,758 posts)
1. Enjoyed your "rant", H2O Man,
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:11 PM
Mar 2021

especially this line:

"Within moments of Trump opening his sphincter to speak..."

Now you do us all a favor and get some rest. We want you to be well and up and about again real soon!

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
6. Thank you!
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:23 PM
Mar 2021

Having consumed a large cup of coffee, followed by a large cup of herbal tea to address the pain, I had to hobble to the rest room again already. My older son just got here to babysit me, including frequently raising his voice to say, "Sit down!" Ha! I suppose I need to hear that. For most of my life, I was as close to immune from pain as humanly possible. Not so much any more!

For some reason, the electric-phone-internet went out this morning. Everything is up and running except the phone. But I need to call the doctor's office.

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H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
7. Exactly!
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:28 PM
Mar 2021

In my district, we are already planning for the rubber match between Anthony Brindisi (D) and Claudia Tenney (r).

I remember when Michele Bachmann was the most pathetic character in the House. Today, there are a half-dozen republicans who are even more unhinged. (Note: I still wish Bachmann would take a DNA test, to see if I am correct that Anita Bryant and Elmer Fudd are indeed her parents.)

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
8. It is a bit icy
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:31 PM
Mar 2021

here in the sticks in upstate New York. I'm not sure if anything is actually broken -- possibly hip or leg -- but I honor the Irish male tradition of, if it seems very serious, to wait for 72 hours before seeking medical attention, in case it disappears on its own.


(35,454 posts)
14. You Need A Good Smack
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:47 PM
Mar 2021

what were you thinking, going on the icy bits when you're in wobbly mode.

I gave you an R anyway.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
18. Well, Me .....
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:53 PM
Mar 2021

I refuse to do "pain-killers," much less smack. (grin)

On Saturday, when I attempted standing, I was bent at the waist at a 90 degree angle. Perhaps good for artifact-hunting in an open field, but unhandy in the home. Corey noted that I'm improving, as I'm at but a 45 degree angle today.


(3,737 posts)
23. I hate to say I told you so
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:31 PM
Mar 2021

But I fucking told you so at least half a dozen times!

Stop walking on the ice you stubborn Irish potato head!

Will write a much nicer reply when I get home and have time to digest your wonderful essay.

I will be swearing at you all the way home BTW.


(3,737 posts)
37. OMG stop stealing trump's lines
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:13 PM
Mar 2021

And STOP walking on the fucking ice! When you do walk on the fucking ice, and hurt yourself, go the the fucking doctor!

If I have to come up there . . . . I might be slightly younger but I can still take you especially when you're bent over at the waist.

It's like doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. Is that the clinical definition of insanity?

That does it. You're moving to Florida where I can keep an eye on you, and you can keep off the ice. The kids can move here too they will love it.



(92,382 posts)
17. My gods, that sounds like my family, & I didn't know it was an Irish thing...
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:52 PM
Mar 2021

My mother — well, visits to the doc were prompt if you were bleeding enough to need stitches. For anything else she tried home remedies after indicating maybe it wasn’t that bad. Gawd.

Maybe your son can drive you?

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
24. It's a curse.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:36 PM
Mar 2021

My father did a cord of firewood less than 24 hours of dying from cancer. He never told anyone -- family or doctor -- that he knew he was dying. But he did make notes that he left us in his financial paperwork. My oldest brother died alone in January. He had told his daughter some curious things about not fearing death a few days earlier, but didn't say he wasn't feeling well. And my other brother was brought into emergency surgery in February, after his wife finally got him to an ER. They were all stubborn men.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
9. Thank you!
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:36 PM
Mar 2021

I've been doing a lot of deep breathing exercises, which helps. And enjoying the opportunity to sit and watch youtube films. Also, my adult children, being fully aware of what an ass I can be, are insisting I behave. In doing so, they open themselves up to my insisting they listen to me talk about how strong John Kerry and Maxine Waters were in the most intense of circumstances.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
22. I haven't.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:28 PM
Mar 2021

My younger son dropped of the three seasons of True Detective on DVDs, though. While I rarely watch or read any fiction, I do like season one of TD!


(33,933 posts)
10. I couldn't watch Chump or any of the CPAC speeches
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:38 PM
Mar 2021

... but it's nice to read your version and your take on it.

Thanks and best wishes for a speedy recovery

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
12. Thanks!
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:44 PM
Mar 2021

I considered attempting to train the dog how to retrieve the remote, in order to avoid watching him. But there wasn't time! (grin)

I'm hoping to do a 4th interview with Dr. Bandy Lee soon, to discuss what the spring and summer hold in store for us. Now, your post has me thinking .....I could start on an outline this week. Thank you for that, too!


(92,382 posts)
11. First, thanks so much for watching CPAC so I didn't have to, & for the historical lens...
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:42 PM
Mar 2021

Second, and all-important, hang in there and get better. We need you here.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
25. I'm starting to feel better.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:39 PM
Mar 2021

So much so, that I'm thinking of avoiding the doctor for the time being. The only problem is that they have been calling and mailing me "friendly reminders" that I need to get there. Two weeks ago, when they were preparing to do some annoying test on me, I had snuck out when no one was looking. I'm lucky that they tend to like me, despite my annoying behaviors.

Kid Berwyn

(16,124 posts)
15. Feel better soon, H2O Man.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:48 PM
Mar 2021

Feel better soon, H2O Man.
Feel better soon, H2O Man.
Feel better soon, H2O Man.
Feel better soon, H2O Man.
Feel better soon, H2O Man.

The country and planet need ya.

Great essay. Here’s 2 cents on der Scheissnozzle und Trumpnosis:

Hypnotist Richard Barker Shows How Trumpnosis, Donald Trump's Form of Covert Hypnosis, Affects Millions Around the World

Richard Barker, Incredible Hypnotist
Mar 29, 2016, 08:35 ET

ORLANDO, Fla., March 29, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Hypnotist Richard Barker has just released research surrounding mass hypnosis and has coined the phrase "Trumpnosis".

Trumpnosis.com has been receiving lots of interest as of late. Covert hypnosis means having access to people's subconscious mind and altering the way they behave and think in a disguised or somewhat hidden way. Some popular covert hypnosis techniques used to align someone's behavior and thoughts to the desired outcome of the hypnotists are displayed during mass hypnosis.

Barker typically refers to mass hypnosis as "Trumpnosis", since he states, "Mr. Trump displays it so well". The media have also made comments regarding the Hypnotizing of a nation and questioned what is happening to America. Through the words and actions of an individual, can we influence and suggest a nation to think a certain way? Richard Barker who is known as the 'Incredible Hypnotist' thinks so. Barker said, "Everything we do and see must first start with a thought process. We don't see the world; we think it. If your thoughts are influenced by a master Hypnotist to think in a certain way on a mass level, this is 'Trumpnosis'".

Mass Hypnotism can apply to everything and be everywhere – in families, in schools and in politics. The influence and use of repetition on crowds is identified through Mr. Trump's speeches and is seen to influence even the most enlightened minds. The power is due to the fact that the repeated statements are embedded in those profound regions of our subconscious mind.

Donald Trump successfully uses techniques such as pacing and leading, anchoring, verbal confusion, repetition and so on. He successfully bypasses the critical factor in minds of some people and has the ability to turn off the rational thinking. By using certain words and behavior, a speaker can very quickly establish a rapport with an audience. Repeated exposure to the same speaker can result in them being viewed with admiration, bordering on worship. Every word uttered is accepted as the complete truth.

“ Through the words he has used, both now and in the past, he has placed others into a hypnotic state without them knowing," says Barker. "Trump's speeches contains hypnosis techniques of hypnotic anchoring, pacing and leading, critical factor bypass and so on."

Hypnotist Richard Barker insists, "All you need to remember is that most people's needs are based on their instincts. Understanding people's instincts, especially in a mass gathering, is one of the key goals of mass hypnosis. Trumpnosis is a vehicle for enabling large groups of people to have an altered belief system."

Richard Barker is a World Renowned Professional Hypnotist. He has spent the last 20 years working with thousands of clients across the world. Richard Barker has recently appeared on NBC's The Today Show, CBS' The Late Late Show with James Corden, FOX's Good Day LA and News channels for FOX and ABC http://incrediblehypnotist.com

He has written a new book focusing on Persuasion and Suggestion titled, "Selling Hypnotically. The Art Of Suggestion" http://sellinghypnotically.com

Source (press release for news, public use distribution and publication): https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hypnotist-richard-barker-shows-how-trumpnosis-donald-trumps-form-of-covert-hypnosis-affects-millions-around-the-world-300242345.html

Thank the immense buxom of Melanie not everyone can be hypnotized.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
28. Thank you!
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:49 PM
Mar 2021

Much appreciated!

In 2015, my older son and I were watching Trump butcher Jeb Bush in a debate. I was laughing, though for the first time in my life, I kind of felt sorry for a Bush. My son said it was really not funny -- that it was a mistake to think Trump was merely a vile man with limited skills in speaking. He noted that, like Hitler, it wasn't the poor speaking that counted .....that it was hypnotic for a large group of his audience. Exactly what the article you linked here says.

I'm going to try to hit on this concept in my next interview with Dr. Bandy Lee. Again, thank you!


(116,037 posts)
16. Thank you for your bravery in wading into that sewer known as nazi-pac. You are far braver than I.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:52 PM
Mar 2021

Now, please take very good care of yourself! Listen to your son. Rest. We need you, not just for the fight, but because you are such a valuable and treasured member of our DU family.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
29. Thank you so much!
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 04:55 PM
Mar 2021

That is very kind of you! I appreciate it!

Don Jr. called it "t-pac," in a shallow attempt to honor the tea party. "Sewer" is far more accurate.


(26,133 posts)
19. Thanks for taking one for the team,
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 03:54 PM
Mar 2021

even if the message was predictable. Also, you voluntarily sat through Iran-Contra again? Yoiks.

No need to apologize for 'a long, rambling rant' - your posts are always interesting and informative. Sorry to hear you're laid up. Get yourself tended to and get better soon.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
30. The Iran-Contra hearings
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 05:01 PM
Mar 2021

are still as frustrating to watch as they were back in the day. The Reagan administration had inflicted terrible damage to the country and the rule of law. And it was hardly the only example of corruption in that administration. Shit, there were more criminals than in the Nixon administration. I still end up yelling at the television watching them.

Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated!


(14,689 posts)
35. Ah, I knew you had it in you! I adore hyperbole, and
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:12 PM
Mar 2021

'the human fungus, Ted Cruz' set me chuckling, and the remark about Trump opening his sphincter to speak was masterful!

I've often compared Trump's mouth to an anus, and that which issues forth from it as excrement.

As to you recovery, please accept my sincere wishes that you will have a full and speedy recovery. I've been there, on the 'legs give out' merry-go-round and it ain't no fun.


(17,098 posts)
36. So good to read your post, you "old grouch"
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:24 PM
Mar 2021

Hope you have a speedy recovery and that it's nothing serious my friend!


(3,737 posts)
41. Thank you for watching that horrible video so I don't have to.
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:30 PM
Mar 2021
For the first two-thirds of his speech, Trump's delivery was more focused than any presentation he has made since 2016. He was concentrating on his target more intensely than at any time since he was recorded on the Access Hollywood tape. He was sowing the seeds for the continuation of the war against the United States that I had hoped had shot its wad on the January 6 insurrection.

This is pretty much what I was afraid of.

He's had some rest. There isn't anything he likes better that listening to himself speak. So he's 100% back on Nazi message.

I watched a bit of an interview with Mary Trump. She said,

“I hear people say that Republicans are afraid of Donald – no they’re not. They ARE him,” says @MaryLTrump. They are sticking with the guy who gives them permission “to be their worst selves.”

Goddammit some of those who are enjoying being their worst selves are my siblings. They're not the least bit chastened by 45's losses. They still back him 100%. They still think Antifa are responsible for January 6. One sister threatens to move to Ireland and I wish she would. Poor Ireland though . . .

Hate to say this about my own siblings but the country is better off without them. They are making a lot of work for the grass roots movement! Bastards.

Anyway thanks for the great (as usual) essay brother. And for Chrissakes go to the doctor.


(15,773 posts)
42. Thanks for the drumph cpac review. Be well soon, and be more careful!!
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:45 PM
Mar 2021

I don't remember the '88 investigation. Might have to take a peek at it.

I'm a NYC'r but on a few family vacations decades ago we visited parts of Western, and Northern NYS. We have a lovely state.

Martin Eden

(13,029 posts)
43. Which is more painful ...
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 07:49 PM
Mar 2021

... your injured leg, or watching CPAC with the knowledge that one of America's two major political parties along with more than 70 million voters are insane?

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