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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie: Today is the day millionaires stop paying into Social Security for the year.
It is time to #ScrapTheCap so the ultra-rich contribute at the same rate as everyone else and we can expandnot cutSocial Security benefits.
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riversedge
(70,306 posts)dhill926
(16,358 posts)or raise it a LOT....
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)End of argument
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)msongs
(67,443 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)That will keep removing the cap from solving the entire SS problems. Check out Trustees Report on alternatives. We keep kicking this can down the road without solving the looming deficit.
RainCaster
(10,920 posts)Then we can work on the rest.
There should be no cap on earnings subject to Social Security. Open this up and you could pay for both SS and Medicare with added packages.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)to a problem there ever was.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)rgbecker
(4,834 posts)The income tax on benefits already cuts benefits for the wealthy (High income earners), why are you suggesting anyone wants "Means testing"? Do you want that?
FakeNoose
(32,772 posts)The more $ we make the one-per-centers contribute to the Social Security fund, the faster they're going to kill it for all of us. As long as the ultra-wealthy get off cheap they'll let the fund continue.
Once it starts costing THEM it's a different story. Make them pay and they'll put it on the front burner to kill it for all of us.
knightmaar
(748 posts)That's like saying,
"Don't raise taxes on millionaires because they'll just
a) leave the country
b) find loopholes"
Don't give up before the fight has started.
Make them pay the taxes, pay the SS fees.
And then fight them when they scurry.
FakeNoose
(32,772 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Millionaires who don't get a salary don't pay squat. People on fat retirements don't pay squat. Raising the cap will help alot, but many very wealthy people won't be affected at all. This brings us back to several ideas among many senators of a "wealth tax".
George II
(67,782 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Senator's pay is $174,000. So the Answer is YES!!!!! But you knew that.
pansypoo53219
(20,997 posts)Bucky
(54,068 posts)I think we need to get back to what Social Security was supposed to be, a supplemental minimal pension fund for Americans who failed to plan for their retirement years.
The uber wealthy don't need to add their taxable income to the retirement of middle class and working class seniors. America is right now balls deep in debt that will hamstring future generations.
As an economics teacher I'm disappointed in Bernie here. These two issues should not be conflated. The people should be accountable for their own retirements. That's what Social Security is about. You don't want to either (1) take SocSec payroll taxes from the super wealthy that they won't collect on later or (2) set up the super wealthy to draw super high amounts of entitlement payments out of the Social Security fund.
If you want to tax the rich more, by God, tax the rich! It's a crime that they proportionally pay less taxes than middle class families while benefiting more from Federal largesse. But the best thing we can do for all American future retirees is ease the burden of a debt-laden America that we are already imposing on them with the massive deficits that we're running up right now