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turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:10 PM Feb 2021

Expert: Sarah Palin's case against The New York Times is a landmine for the First Amendment

By History News Network
Published February 1, 2021

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For more than half a century, conservatives have wanted to eradicate New York Times v. Sullivan, the 1964 Supreme Court decision that is the nation's most important First Amendment case. A trial scheduled for February 1 may give them that opportunity. If the Supreme Court invalidates NYT, federal judges—including the 230 appointed by President Trump—will preside over more libel suits against journalists he calls "the enemy of the people." Those judges can carry out Trump's promise to "open up…libel laws…[and] have people sue you like you've never got sued before."

Anyone who makes factual errors when criticizing government or accusing a person of misconduct could be dragged into court and left destitute by a jury's verdict or legal bills. Public officials with government jobs and public figures—those who are well-known or have entered a public controversy—can win lawsuits that previously would have been unsuccessful.

The NYT ruling is essential to our democracy because it protects discussion of political issues and the fitness of those seeking public office. Justice William Brennan's famous passage in the case exemplifies its significance: "Thus, we consider this case against the background of a profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, and that it may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials."

Richard Labunski is professor emeritus of journalism at the University of Kentucky and author of James Madison and the Struggle for the Bill of Rights (Oxford University Press). He has a Ph.D. in political science from the University of California-Santa Barbara and a J.D. from Seattle University School of Law.

https://www.rawstory.com/palin-v-new-york-times/

I wonder if her bullseye BS is deemed under the Ist Amendment

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palins-crosshairs-ad-focus-gabrielle-giffords-debate/story?id=12576437

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Expert: Sarah Palin's case against The New York Times is a landmine for the First Amendment (Original Post) turbinetree Feb 2021 OP
Considering how much more frequent and YUGE the LIES are that come from the Reich-Wing in general mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #1
Would that mean the gov could sue Tяump and his ilk for spreading lies about the election? turtleblossom Feb 2021 #2
I'm sure the pukes aren't considering that. They never look beyond the tip of their nose Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #5
Last sentence of the first paragraph..this is why it's doomed to failure. Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #3
Kick dalton99a Feb 2021 #4
That is a double edged sword, what are they going to call it "negligent speech" Thomas Hurt Feb 2021 #6
For information: elleng Feb 2021 #7
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Considering how much more frequent and YUGE the LIES are that come from the Reich-Wing in general
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:13 PM
Feb 2021

Sarah best be careful what she wishes for.

turtleblossom

(504 posts)
2. Would that mean the gov could sue Tяump and his ilk for spreading lies about the election?
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:16 PM
Feb 2021
Anyone who makes factual errors when criticizing government or accusing a person of misconduct could be dragged into court and left destitute by a jury's verdict or legal bills.


You'd think it would go both ways.

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Thekaspervote

(32,779 posts)
3. Last sentence of the first paragraph..this is why it's doomed to failure.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:16 PM
Feb 2021

My opinion....From what we have seen so far from the cases post election, the last thing SCOTUS wants to do is open the flood gates for suits...it would never stop!!

dalton99a

(81,530 posts)
4. Kick
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:17 PM
Feb 2021

Many judges appointed by Trump were selected because of political connections, not because they were qualified for a prestigious job with lifetime tenure. Judges chosen for their political views and not their knowledge of the law wouldn't be expected to have a deep understanding and appreciation of the First Amendment and other constitutional rights. Their focus will be on implementing conservative policies that legislatures are unable to adopt while pretending to respect the lessons of the founders.

Some Trump nominees had no relevant experience, never litigated a case, could not answer simple legal questions that any competent lawyer would know, and failed to disclose disturbing information on the forms they completed after nomination. Several had strange personal histories that included hunting for ghosts, praising the KKK, claiming that transgender children are "proof that Satan's plan" is working, and supporting the birther controversy about President Obama. Even the most peculiar nominees were approved by the judiciary committee—with no Democratic votes—and if not for embarrassing news reports about their bizarre backgrounds, they would have been confirmed by Republicans in the full Senate.

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), the chair of the judiciary committee, told reporter Bob Woodward for his book Rage that "Some [of Trump's judicial appointees] are a little wacky. Most of them are really good. But a few [are] outliers." Graham recognized that with the removal of the filibuster rule on judicial appointments, the federal courts would be highly partisan: "The problem is when you only need a simple majority [to confirm judges], you don't need to go outside your own party…If you've got to reach across the aisle and pick up 10 [Democratic] votes [in the Senate], you're going to have a different judge than if you don't…the judiciary is going to get far more ideological."

Trump appointed—in addition to three Supreme Court justices—a third of the 850 Article III judges, many of whom are young enough to serve for decades. Only a few presidents have appointed more judges. The White House and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky) made judicial appointments such a high priority that there are no circuit court vacancies for the first time in more than 40 years.

The Trump White House, instead of submitting names to the American Bar Association for a nonpartisan evaluation of potential nominees—which presidents had done since Eisenhower—only considered those vetted and approved by the Federalist Society, a conservative and influential organization of former and current public officials, practicing attorneys, law professors, and law students. The Society would have investigated the nominee's background and record to confirm they support textualism and would uphold Republican orthodoxy.

elleng

(131,006 posts)
7. For information:
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:32 PM
Feb 2021

New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court ruling that the freedom of speech protections in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution restrict the ability of American public officials to sue for defamation.[1][2] Specifically, it held that if a plaintiff in a defamation lawsuit is a public official or person running for public office, not only must he or she prove the normal elements of defamation—publication of a false defamatory statement to a third party—he or she must also prove that the statement was made with "actual malice", meaning that the defendant either knew the statement was false or recklessly disregarded whether or not it was true.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

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