I do not believe 45 Republican Senators think Trump is innocent of inciting an insurrection.

[kentuck]

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I believe they are putting their Party above their country and above our democracy.

I believe they know exactly what they are doing.

I believe they are cooperating in a mass cover-up because most of them are guilty of aiding and abetting the storming against our Capitol.

I believe they want it all to go away.

I do not believe most of them are under the influence of a cult leader.

I believe they are deathly afraid of the voters getting the truth and they are trying to trying to deceive their supporters.

I believe it may be the worst transgression against our country in our 244-year history. (With the exception of the Civil War)

[Bluethroughu]

1. 1000% and it will only get worse if they do not have

Any consequences for their actions.

[kentuck]

2. If Democrats wanted to play hardball politics with Mitch and the Republicans...?

They could keep this trial going until the next election.

They could show every remark from every Republican that supported Donald Trump and his insurrection.

They could show re-runs of Lindsey and Rubio.

They could make them beg for mercy, if they wanted to?

[mitch96]

3. "if they wanted to?" Totally agree with all of your points.. Do the Dems want to do the

4 year political advert is the trick.. Maybe till 2022 and see if it works? If the Democratic party can nail down the Senate in 2022 that would bode well for 2024 meThinks..YMMV
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[Bluethroughu]

4. Light the path of truth, or we will fail like many other countries have.

This was an attack orchestrated by the republican party, against our Country.

It could get worse than this, and that is what the republicans want.

They are a clear and present danger.

[diverdownjt]

20. Yes....I agree...

This wont end until WE END IT!!! Good bye too the GQP...Hello to whatever they think is fine..I'm sure it will
suck like this one...but they shouldn't be allowed to keep what they have because it is diseased and terminal.......
and highly Criminal.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

5. We have all heard it before...

If you want to stop something, prove guilt or any number of things stop the money flow cut the head off the snake. The Mercers may not be the only money river but let’s start there.

“Mercer co-founded Parler, the app that fascists used to plan violent demonstrations before it was shut down. She and her family have helped fund reactionary causes and candidates, including one of the patron saints of the insurrection at the Capitol, Ted Cruz. Mercer is not warning us against armed conflict, she is threatening us with it.”

https://theintercept.com/2021/01/27/rebekah-mercer-book-capitol-riot/


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=15018650

[bdamomma]

21. Ted Cruz

needs to go down.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. I believe they are terrified the lid will blow off the money flow that keeps it all going

look at the emerging material on the 'war council' on Jan 5 at the hotel in Washington.

Worldwide it's the richest dudes in suits. NRA. 2016. 2020. 2021. Money motivates. The insurrection was an operation, not a spontaneous impulse.

These days remind me of the events surrounding 1917, and John Reed's book "Ten Days That Shook The World". Create disarray and seize power. Except we weren't to become communist, we were to be plundered and owned by an Oligarch Cartel.

[PirateRo]

7. Agree. The word you search for is complicit.

[NNadir]

8. The worst transgression in our 244 year history was about...

...the same issue as the current one, virulent racism, but it killed 600,000 Americans.

It was the US Civil War.

[lagomorph777]

28. We're at nearly 500,000 dead so far. COVID-19 is a result of the same racists,

and it part of the reason the GOP has deliberately amplified the pandemic is because they believe it will kill more people of color than white people.

[NNadir]

30. I don't necessarily agree that this was their motivation.

The US Civil War in any case remains the worst transgression in US history.

[bdamomma]

33. they are complicit

in the deaths of Americans call it Genocide. Period.

[jaxexpat]

9. Agree with the premise, of course, Republicans almost never believe in their public positions.

Republican politicians pretty much live in fear that the public may be privy to their actual thoughts and personal opinions. Their path to continued existence is the maintenance of their money stream. It's that path which they ferociously and persistently follow no matter who, what or why. Never a look back, a retrospective examination which might correct the heading, that would require objectivity. Not that, ever. Objectivity is lost to those who's "successes" depend on reaction. Their course changes, some abrupt, are always dictated by the current mood of the mob and the whims of their financiers.

[judesedit]

10. Agree

[Botany]

11. Of course they all know he is guilty but they just don't care.

Just like Russia installing Trump into power or Trump calling the President of the Ukraine
to find some dirt on Joe Biden or ....

[Voltaire2]

12. They support the transition to overt authoritarianism.

The fascist faction in the Republican Party is now dominant.

[Mme. Defarge]

13. I believe

that the attempted coup is ongoing.

[kentuck]

16. So long as they continue to promulgate the Big Lie...

...I would agree.

Will they vote for Merrick Garland for Attorney General? They do not want a functioning Justice Department if they are still trying to overthrow the election.

[bdamomma]

29. I don't think

they want a functional Homeland Security Department either.

[kentuck]

31. Good point.

They do not want a functioning government. Especially one that can oversee their criminal acts.

[Rebl2]

25. So do I

That is why so many voted not to go forward with impeachment. Also I think some fear backlash from constituents and being replaced by someone who might be even further to the right of them if that’s even possible.

[Grasswire2]

40. Yes.

He's not done.

And now the mob boss sits in FL and calls the capos to come to him for humiliation and quid pro quos.

He'll give McCarthy the House majority, but he would like a favor first.

[localroger]

14. The problem each Republican Senator has...

...and the reason the Dems are going through with the impeachment, is that the roll call vote will force them to decide whether to piss off the rabid base or the moderates who are horrified at what happened on Jan 6. Either puts a severe crimp in their future election prospects, and there is no third choice. In this round all but 5 decided to appease the base, which is the obvious short-term answer. But it isn't a very good answer for long-term statewide election prospects, and a lot of them know that.

[In It to Win It]

15. That's exactly what they're doing. It's just like the first impeachment

Many GOP senators believed he was guilty. Some of them said it out loud and still voted not to convict... because of politics.

These people had already made up their minds how they were gonna vote before the case was even made. The same applies this time.

Basically, what they’re showing us is that there is really no accountability for a president because the “jury pool” is always tainted.

If Dems pulled this same shit, after one of ours incited a mob or tried to strong arm the Ukrainian president, I’d be ready to back a primary challenge. This is lunacy! 😤

[ananda]

17. They're so dug in to a kind of entitled obstructionism.

It appears to me that they actually think this can work.

The good news for us is that enough Americans don't
buy into it any more.

[jcgoldie]

18. I believe...

...they just don't give a fuck because they pursued their career in public service for the wrong reasons and none of the right ones.

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. They always put the "R" before the "A"

rePublican before America

[Alpeduez21]

22. The whole concept that politicians are driving the batshit crazy

republican party has it backwards. They are scared of not winning reelection. Plain and simple. It wasn't Senators and House representatives who chose Trump over 16 other qualified human beings. It wasn't politicians who chose a sexual predator as the leading candidate in the 2018 GA senate race. It wasn't politicians who stormed the capital. Yes they had a hand AFTER the elections.

For 4 years we all knew the lies of Trump weren't policy based they were aimed at the racists who support him. Voters. The next time you hear 'not all republican supporters are bad' remember they choose who gets votes. A Trump sign in the yard means that person supports racism. A sign for the local repuke candidate means that person supports a fascist policy. A conservative bumper sticker means that person supports quelling the voting rights of millions of people and 'putting women and gays in their place.' Attending a right wing rally or sending money to a right wing candidate means that person thinks it's OK for police to kill African Americans.

The politicians are not driving this train. Our neighbors are doing that.

[Eyeball_Kid]

36. We should remember how Trumpers ingest information.

The right wing mass media network is relentless and far-reaching. Instead of Trumpers learning about politics and government through civics education, they learn from Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc. These fascists are TEACHERS of the political landscape to millions who know of no other sources of information. There's an informal contract between right wing media, corporate sponsors, wealthy donors, and the listening "market."

For those policymakers interested in a medium and long term shift in the political dialogue, CIVICS EDUCATION in the elementary and high school curricula is necessary and should be legally mandatory. Otherwise, right wing media will dominate the body politic and destroy the political fabric of the US.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

38. So you absolve the Kochs, Mercers, Murdoch, Adelson, Uihlein, Sinclairs, et.al. oligarchs?

[Alpeduez21]

42. No one is ABSOLVED of anything

I was saying in my post the Kochs, Mercers, Murdoch, Adelson, Ulhiein, Sinclairs, et.al. oligarchs are MORE responsible than the current narrative blames them for. Politicians are following the directive of their supporters. I'm sorry if that wasn't more clear.

What I'm saying is the believing the issue of a piece of shit repuke party will be solved if the politicians are changed. The problem with the republican party is the supporters of the republican party. Our neighbors.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. Chicken or egg? What about all the Republican and Independent constituents?

It makes zero sense to us who see it so clearly. You are right about the Senators - but also - why in the hell do so many still like him?


Monmouth...
While 92 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of independents support the impeachment, only 13 percent of Republicans are in favor — a modest increase from 8 percent the first time Trump was impeached last January, according to the poll.

[CaptainTruth]

24. 45 voted to hide behind an incorrect interpretation of the Constitution.

They're wrong but they know their base doesn't know the Constitution (or law) well enough to realize it.

[Wounded Bear]

26. Yeah, there's a lot of cynical CYA going on in the Repub party...n t

[nakocal]

27. They know Trump incited the insurrection

They just do not care. If it was successful, they would still not care, even if some of their colleagues were killed, as long as Trump remained in office and they remained in power. The vast majority of republicans in congress do not give a fuck about the United States. They only care about themselves.

[Fla Dem]

32. Short answer. They are F'ing afraid of losing their Senate seat in their next election.

They're afraid Trump and his cult will target their seat in the next election if they don't support him.

They are putting their own personal future ahead of the future of the United States.

[bdamomma]

34. So the Trial

is still going on for February, I am curious whether they will be in attendance for that trial? if not, more evidence that the fascist party is for the downfall of democracy. I read here somewhere they are scared shit for that trial to happen.

[Eyeball_Kid]

35. GOP Senators MUST convict. They will see themselves as having no choice.

After the House presents its case in searing detail, and while the whole world is watching, GOPers will understand that the entire nation will be judged by the world for its slavish devotion to fascism and violence if they do not convict. This political affair will be like no other in history because billions will be watching how we conduct our affairs, and how we exercise our own moral courage. If we are to EVER be held in high regard by nations everywhere, we must purge our government of institutional violence and disabling instability, and we must strive to purge our nation of domestic terrorism.

It's the only way. The entire globe will witness the spectacle of a United States crumbling from a lack of will to uphold its founding values and follow the guidance of its Constitution.

If it's only the GOP's interest in maintaining a stable leadership role in international economic networks, then they again have no choice. Entertaining and appeasing a violent fascist movement is no way to maintain political and economic stability.

The brief delay in the Senate trial will help give the GOP institutionalists pause to reflect on the seriousness of their role. They MUST purge their party of Trumpism. In any scenario, Trump's Party will destroy the nation.

[Qutzupalotl]

37. They don't want to stick their necks out yet.

Many are facing threats from an unhinged base.

I hope the evidence they will see will sway a few more. A successful conviction would make Trump much less of a threat...but not until then.

[drmeow]

39. IMO this has the potential to be worse

In the Civil War they tried to split the country and basically said " Fine - you do you and we'll do us." In this case they are trying to take over and say "You do us." The civil war tried to create two separate democratic republics (with the caveat that a republic in which one group is enslaved can't be ver democratic) - the current cabal is trying to overturn a democratic republic and impose an authoritarian minority one-party dominant state/dictatorship.

[LeftInTX]

41. Agree...

They want it to go away...

[BrightKnight]

43. No GOP Senators doubt that he did it. nt