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CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)is not becoming like your opponent.
Plus if you help your opponent, they might even become your ally.
That attitude right there is why we lose.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)If you react to everything your opponent does you end up being pulled every which way by your emotions.
Better to stay true to your principles.
(However when I say "help your opponent" I'm talking about everyday life, not necessarily the political arena).
gateley
(62,683 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)"The best revenge is not becoming like your opponent" mentality is followed by a republican knife in the back every time every time it is practiced.
peace13
(11,076 posts)To be clear I do yoga and meditate and look for the best in everything. That being said, my family will vote for Romney. They hate the poor and do not see their own Medicare and Social Security checks as hand outs. They feel that they are entitled to health care while poor people are not. They feel that my sister being on total disability is a fair and right thing. They practice religion and still carry hearts full of hate. Nothing that I can do will change that. 57 years and counting and nothing will change. It is truly sad.
Experience has shown me that my actions will never change the way they think about me or my politics. It is a brain thing for them. They have no empathy. While I know your intentions are good. It is not always possible to change the less evolved thinkers. Sometimes in order to move forward we have to acknowledge this fact.
Godless in Seattle
(120 posts)I would not go to the extreme that the OP suggests, but I get the pont, believe me.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)As I have been known to say....even if I see one on fire, writhing and screaming in pain I won't waste my urine to piss on them and put it out.
They have created this monster division in this country. I have tried to talk to conservatives in my circle of acquaintances on rational terms about taxes, abortion, deficit, immigration, LGBT issues, health care, etc. and they will have none of it. They won't entertain any ideas that haven't come from Faux News. I try to be open and listen to them as they suggest we will have to change Social Security to keep it viable. I ask them exactly what they would change and how? They suggest we have to raise the retirement age, possibly means test for those having hiring incomes and possibly reduce benefits. I tell them I can see a gradual increase in the retirement age because people are living longer but that must be accompanied by enforcement of age discrimination laws. They absolutely refuse to hear about that. They say that employers have to be able to fire old farts because they are less productive, are sick more and are "outdated". When I say I am not opposed to the concept of means testing I say this has to be based not only on annual income but also factoring in net worth. They don't want to hear about that and they think that income from investments should be excluded from the analysis. When I suggest raising the cap on income subject to the Social Security tax from the current $106,000 (or thereabouts) to say $150,000, they say that would be the "biggest tax increase in history".
So even when I try to be open and rational they will have none of it.
So, I'm saving my pee for a deserving cause!!!
cali
(114,904 posts)Response to cali (Reply #39)
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cali
(114,904 posts)you little genius.
fuck, sick shit you're spewing there, honeypie.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)that you will be treated with any kindness once the gut the American experiment?
Apparently I am a little genius compared to some here. 
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glacierbay
(2,477 posts)has to do with helping out our fellow humans in need. I could care less who wins or loses as far as helping out people in distress.
cali
(114,904 posts)far too many people cheering on the sick fuck sentiments of the sick OP. And if that comment gets me a hide, so be it. As far as I'm concerned the OP should be hidden.
Some of the attitudes expressed here are sick, I've arrested criminals who've shown more empathy for their fellow humans than some here, and that is disturbing.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)from a party that will cheat to attain it and a hostile group of supporters that will back them up.
No apologies.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)that a human being is a human being no matter party affiliation. I'm just glad that most american citizens don't think like you do.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)what I would call it would probably get my post hidden, so I'll leave it at that.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I am a little genius compared to some here.."
We often grasp at fiction when truth better advertises our true character.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Are some - or all - of them driving 15+ year old cars festooned with repig bumper stickers?
Looking for obvious signs of the "Chickens Voting For Colonel Sanders" syndrome is one of my hobbies. Age of car is one of the more dependable indicators of a person being a chicken.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Also, some of the repubbies are better off and trade in a car every 4-6 years: even after they retire.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)So what?
The repub. party is bat shit crazy, but not all repubs. are. I would never deny my fellow humans help if needed.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> some of the repubbies are better off and trade in a car every 4-6 years: even after they retire.
Yeah, there are those. But I always see plenty of old cars with repig bumper stickers when I'm out driving, and not old ones in good shape, but old ones that are falling apart.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)1990 560 SEL, and it will still hit 145mph.
Everything else (including motorcycles is '66 or older.
I'm with the OP. I wouldn't pull a 'pub out of the duck pond, even if I knew them. One less, I figure.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)I had a 560SL 
... it's gone now 
But of course old-but-nice cars are not what I'm talking about.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)they must be the 1% for sure
yoyossarian
(1,054 posts)I don't think I could pass up such an opportunity!
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)because other people's opinions and beliefs turn into votes which elect members that change policy that will affect my life.
What other people believe IS my business. It's the difference between having affordable healthcare and dying because one doesn't have tens of thousands of dollars to pay for medical treatment. It's the difference between having civil rights and not having it.
Kookaburra
(2,649 posts)they are fellow human beings. Misguided and blinded by corporate manufactured outrage/greed/hate, but human beings nonetheless. If we take on the same attitudes as they, then we reinforce everything they preach. Show them they are wrong -- not only by words, but also by deeds.
SunSeeker
(51,789 posts)I've been trying that tactic for 20 years with my in-laws without success. I'll keep doing it because it makes my husband happy, but as for all other Repukes, fuggetaboutit. I'm saving all my limited time & energy for progressive causes. Maybe if these Repukes hit rock bottom and see what a crappy social safety net we have, they'll get a clue.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Rather FAUX is enabling; it allows, without guilt or superego influence, the resurfacing of all that inner hatred, that need to be better than (i.e. America is #1), that need to demonize some other group... that has been latent, festering and ready to explode
I recently watched movie "The Help" on DVD and though I lived through that time and remember the overt racism, it was a powerful reminder of Jim Crow style hatred circa 1963. And there certainly are other examples: Commies, hippies, etc. that antedate FAUX.
So hatred exists without blinding and manipulation by FAUX and its ilk. And while we should turn the other cheek, as many of us were taught, I no longer can. I am a transplant by marriage to the south (hence my screen name) and many people here are congenital repukes. When I try to challenge them nicely, I get withering, loathsome comments about Democrats. There is no reasoning. So I have an attitude that they will reap the fruit of their narrow-minded beliefs just as a country born of genocide and slavery WILL reap its due karma, in due time.
I heartily agree with the OP. At work, I find convenient excuses to be less than helpful to those whose cars sport Romney stickers. And when repuke students I know struggle with the burden of higher education debt, I gently remind them that politics matters and point to the picture of Senator Claiborne Pell on my bulletin board. They want social Darwinism, then they can sink for all I care.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)I'll be re-examining everything -- friends, charities I donate to etc. No stone will be left unturned.
gleannfia
(66 posts)I seriously considered altering my organ donor status to exclude conservatives. Mean, I know. But so is Dick.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)When you see someone with a flat tire you going to roll down your window and ask "are you a republican?" and if they say yes, keep driving?
If someone has not noticed they are in the path of a bus, are you going to ask them first what their political bent is? "Hey you! Are you a republican? No? Good, then watch out for the bus behind you! Oh whoops, too late!!!"
Bake
(21,977 posts)Because they're so PROUD of it!
Bake
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gordianot
(15,252 posts)
MuseRider
(34,136 posts)My god what are we becoming?
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)He's been in need of physical and mechanical help at times and so have I. We joke about our political differences, but will drop everything to help each other out. Call it "bipartisan" if you want, but friendship can transcend politics. In 2004, we challenged each other to a red/blue paintball fight with an effigy of Nader in the middle of the road (bonus points for that one). We never did it because we didn't want to power wash our houses, but it was a running gag. I put blue balloons on on his car and he put red ones on mine. We had a blast.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)Does this mean you'll abandon family members who need help as well? If you have children, what if one of your children needs your help and they are not the "correct" party affiliation? Will you turn your back on them as well?
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Shit, even if one of my cats became a Republican I'd still love it. Then again, on the plus side, cats can't vote.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)the OP who said s/he wouldn't help anybody who was a republican, and asking if that still held true for children and family members. Just wanting to know exactly what the line in the sand is, how low they'll go I guess you could say.
Common decency dictates (for me, anyway, I don't know how anyone else's moral compass swings) that turning my back on a human being in need because of their political affiliation, is just a horrid thing to do.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)We just don't discuss it. I'm assuming they haven't looked into "Obamacare", because my niece is severely handicapped (as in totally dependent with a feeding tube). She's 23 now and nothing better than the ACA could have happened. I just can't fathom how they are incapable of understanding that. Then again, they are Baptist and watch FOX, so yeah, I guess I can fathom it.
leftstreet
(36,118 posts)
Threads like these make DU look stupid
GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)And what to do about those who are apolitical??
Again, forcing them to make a political decision in a life threatening situation my not be timely.
And who would know if they were answering honestly?!!
Perhaps we should all be forced to wear gear showing our political bent...you know, like a sports team.
Then we can know.
ridiculous
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)I will no longer tolerate being told that I DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST OR HAVE A VOICE. I WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE THEIR CONTEMPT.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)become just like them. 
I'm glad that the majority of people in the country don't think like you do. My next door neighbor is a dyed in the wool tea party member, but we are fast friends, we hunt together, we help each other out when needed.
People can get along together despite their differences.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)that the poster you're responding to is the same poster that stated all the houses in Colorado Springs should be allowed to burn since conservatives/libertarians live there. Not one thought for the anyone else that might also live there (children, pets, etc.). He deleted it after he received a lot of shit for it. I had my first hidden post in that thread.
Wishing harm on others seems to be his style. 
Qutzupalotl
(14,340 posts)and the ignorant voters who support them without knowing any better. There's a big difference in terms of culpability.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)If you enable you are a willing accomplice. These people enable, and therefore they deserve whatever they get.
Being dumb is not an excuse IMO.
Qutzupalotl
(14,340 posts)but the leaders are doing the lying.
The ignorant are unwitting accomplices, which IMO is very different from actively devising and implementing evil schemes.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)But the end result is the same -- they put their leaders in power.
The problem with your point is that many of them do it with glee. They go to their church, they listen to their pastor call Obama a Muslim and they smile in agreement.
Or they nod in agreement when a racist joke is told about him at the local watering hole.
Or they go to Chick-fil-A, satisfying their appetite for hatred and processed food.
I could go on. And on. And on.
You make it sound like they are just run of the mill hard working people who are merely duped, but many, in fact the overwhelming majority that I've come across in the CRIMSON RED state of Oklahoma, embrace the role of ignorant hate monger quite comfortably. They try to outdo their neighbors with rhetoric.
And these are not leaders, they're everyday people. In some ways, their leaders are actually less spine chilling.
So while I do accept your point on some levels, the reality on the ground that I see on a daily basis is not as black and white and I don't give quarter to the maliciously ignorant.
Qutzupalotl
(14,340 posts)is that the ignorant — not the maliciously ignorant, just the fooled — can be persuaded with facts and reason.
The party leaders come up with the evil schemes deliberately; they are not persuadable. They must be stopped, and the way to do that is to persuade as many voters as we can to our point of view.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And Republicans, almost to a one, are mean, stupid, hateful fucks. don't clasp your hands sand try to convince peopel they are just misguided, innocent bunny rabbits. Their defining trait is being gigantic fucking assholes.
Not that I agree with the OP, but the knee-jerking "Oh, we have to be EXTRA NICE to them!" responses are just as fucking dumb. Help them out like any other person, if they start shit, leave 'em to whatever, because you don't need their abuse
Qutzupalotl
(14,340 posts)Present people with facts, is all I'm saying. If they watch Fox News, they've probably never heard them. It's worth trying, since a converted voter is worth double (it's -1 for them AND +1 for us). If they're WILLFULLY ignorant, fuck 'em. But at least make an effort to tell the difference.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)As I posted elsewhere in this thread, the repuke leadership and it comrades at FAUX are enabling; they bolster, without guilt or superego influence, the resurfacing of inner hatred(s) that has been latent, festering and ready to explode in many sheeple who need someone to blame for all that is wrong in their lives or in the world at large. Many are willfully ignorant and harbor deep seated hatred. PERIOD
I recently watched movie "The Help" on DVD and though I lived through that time and remember the overt racism, it was a powerful reminder of Jim Crow style hatred circa 1963. So hatred exists without blinding and manipulation by repuke leaders. And while we should turn the other cheek, as many of us were taught, I no longer can.
When I try to challenge them nicely, I get withering, loathsome comments about Democrats. There is no reasoning. So I have an attitude that they will reap the fruit of their narrow-minded beliefs just as a country born of genocide and slavery WILL reap its due karma, in due time.
I heartily agree with the OP. At work, I find convenient excuses to be less than helpful to those whose cars sport Romney stickers and other signs of being a repuke. And when repuke students I know struggle with the burden of higher education debt, I gently remind them that politics matters and point to the picture of Senator Claiborne Pell on my bulletin board.
They want social Darwinism, then they can sink for all I care.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Not helping a Republican will not help them to see the light.
Look at it this way, many Americans grow up in rural areas and outer suburbs where, because Republicans have invested a lot in convincing them that they represent their interests (and because of the god, gays, and guns thing), they grow up identifying with the Republican Party. They are blind as to how the party just uses them to get votes while betraying them. They need to have some experience where they will see the light, and realize just how the Republican party betrays them.
The Democratic Party, in order to adhere to its values of equality, have shunned religious people that abhor equality, and of course because Democrats have been for gun control, have shunned gun nuts and other people freaked out for not having a gun for protection (The NRA told them the Democrats will take away their guns), and Democrats have been for a bigger role of government (economically), have freaked out people afraid of big government (but can't see how the Republicans also want big government), as well as push away people who hate paying a lot in taxes. Of course in all of this, the GOP has pushed all these conspiracy theories. But this is why in part why the Democrats haven't been able to reach to all Americans.
Puddy
(51 posts)I hate their politics but I don't think I'd ever walk away from a fellow human being in distress.
Tanuki
(14,928 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)And I kinda think if it did come down to Mano a Mano, these people wouldn't walk away, either. Just venting the incredible frustration and anger these Republicans engender.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)is no longer a place where you can come and talk with other liberals and unwind.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Not what you would hope they would to do, but what they would actually do if they new you were a liberal?
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)my next door neighbor is a dyed in the wool tea party member and we help each other out all the time when needed, we hunt & fish together, our wives do alot of things together, we go to games together, we BBQ together. Believe it or not, people do get along despite their pol. differences.
I would never deny a fellow human in need.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Remember that in the unfortunate case if there happens to be a Rmoney win.
You will kiss all the shit that you find important goodbye, and so will a great many Americans.
Fu@k republicans, fu@k em all.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)and I would never deny a fellow human the help they needed no matter who is in office or what one's pol. bent is.
I've dealt with criminals that have more empathy for their fellow humans than many here do and I find that disturbing.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I no longer do. I've had a knife inserted in my back three separate times in a work environment(different jobs mind you): all by openly practicing republicans.
I've also seen it done to former co-workers by the same people.
I've seen extended family members, aka Republicans, treat other less fortunate family members like shit.
I've seen closer family members act like imbeciles, and they are college educated, with the Obama is not American.
The patina of kindness has been rube free of my ability to care for all of god's creatures.
Republicans suck.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)I live in a very red part of Missouri and I have never had those kinds of problems, most of my co-workers are openly repub. and never have I experienced what you claim.
I would say my next door neighbor is my best friend despite him being a true tea party member.
I've known criminals that are more tolerant than many here, what does that say?
I just find the attitude of "fuck em" highly disturbing, not progressive or liberal at all.
Well, that's your decision and your right to be like that.
Have a good day.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Do you understand that to get where we have been and currently still are many had to fight for us and against oppressors? Now these same powers (moneyed interests) want to take away all of those things again and leave us back in the dark ages.
I have no sympathy for them or for their supporters since they will have non for me.
And yeah, I was telling the truth about the republicans that I know and will never do business again.
Being a liberal and progressive does not mean I have to put up with their shit. I fight against it.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)who might be a repub. is fighting against their policies?
I really feel sad for you if that's your attitude, I myself always try to find the good in people, and I've been dealing with the worse of society for about 30 years now and I seem to have a better outlook on our fellow humans, no matter what their party affiliation.
But, hey, if that's you schtick, have at it, I won't and the vast majority of your fellow citizens don't think like that also.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)For those who have GOP friends and don't mind the abuse, then if you are ok with that then that is your personal decision. I am not going to allow these jerks to be abusive any more. There is a price. I know a number of Republicans who have really bad situations going on. Even when you show sympathy they say FU. So why would I bother to be sympathetic, care or offer to help. They have made it very clear that they will not help people who are NOT ONE OF THEM.
The reason we lose is because we do not take a stand and fire back. I can see who well Obama's "let's get along" strategy has worked so far. He should have taken Romney out. And he didn't.
Look at how they treat women. And look at how much worse it will be if they are able to end contraception which is what they will do.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I have never met someone who, when offered sympathy, tells me to "fuck off." And yet, you have not only met many of these people, it appears to represent nearly 100% of the Republicans you know. I live in a BRIGHT red state (Nebraska) and can tell you I have never seen anything like that.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)and I live in a very red part of MO.. Makes me wonder what this poster does to piss people off.
MuseRider
(34,136 posts)I can' t imagine the reason they go nuts is because of the words you choose or the attitude behind how you say them?
Shit, I am having trouble not talking real shit to you.
This is surely one of the nastiest threads I have seen in a while and there have been some doozies over the years. Things like this make me ashamed not only of people who consider themselves liberals but human beings in general.
YOU are part of the problem.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)In the lunchroom at work, you share your candy with everyone ecxept the vocal RWer? And be sure to have a petulant look on your face when you say "I don't share with republicans".
That will sure teach them!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)This kind of thinking leads to Rwanda.
samsingh
(17,604 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)in distress, possibly in danger, you would just walk away?
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Edited to add: 99% of the time, though, the random person you meet who's in distress, won't be wearing their Rush Limbaugh shirt, so you can't tell if they're a Republican.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)On the DU we have plenty of people who have no problem with declaring the Middle East a warzone, and sending drones to summarily execute tons of scary brown people because they're merely accused by the Military Industrial Complex and their political servants (or is it the other way around?) of being terrorists.
Yet you can ignite a firestorm about seeing a Republican and not wanting to help them.
(SATIRE ALERT) Perhaps it would be better to declare America a warzone and declare Republicans to be terrorists, then send out the drones? No, wait, they're Americans, not scary Middle Eastern brown people, nevermind!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)
KansDem
(28,498 posts)But I'll have a stack of agreements nearby with my rate and a place to sign! 
cali
(114,904 posts)Ugh.
nolabear
(42,002 posts)You sound frayed beyond reason so I'll take that into account. But it IS beyond reason. Sure, hold your political ground and work like a dog for justice but if you become a savage you set us back. It's hard enough when we keep our eyes on the big picture and work for the results that prove that fairness and compassion are necessary in a world where we can indeed destroy ourselves. Don't go down that shameful path. We need you. We need us all.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)A while back I worked on a receiving dock. There was this kid I couldn't stand, hated him. But, one day while we were unloading the truck someone forgot to put the stop bar up on the rollers. At the same time another guy put some heavy weights on the rollers and they were coming down fast as this kid was bent down at an angle by the rollers with no stop bar and weights bearing down on his head. I jumped in and stopped the weights, I could have easily not done it and no one would have figured that I could have stopped it. So, anyway my first reaction is to help if I can especially if someone can get hit in the head with a heavy metal object.
tritsofme
(17,423 posts)
booley
(3,855 posts)Learned along time ago, you can't force empathy on people by giving them a taste of their own medicine.
IF they had that kind of insight, they wouldn't have this problem to begin with.
Secondly, we shouldn't let others, no matter how vile we consider their actions or words, define our actions and words.
And last the the ones that are really bad are also in a position where they will probably rarely if ever need your help. It's not like Addelson or the Koch brothers or Romney are ever going to need any help from any of us. Their wealth allows them to maintain the illusion of total self sufficiency.
I know it sounds corny and cliche but we really do have to BE the change we want to see. Otherwise we merely reinforce the "YOYO" mentality of conservatives.
lynne
(3,118 posts)- with that attitude. Will you accept assistance from a republican if it's offered? And make sure you check your physician's political party before your next office visit.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)When I go on a call, I don't ask the person what pol. party they belong to.
I think that this OP is just plain dumb.
underoath
(269 posts)how did these republicans take all that from you?
Brickbat
(19,339 posts) slackmaster
(60,567 posts) randome
(34,845 posts)
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)This sounds more like an OP written by the Master himself. Or Davros.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I'd like to kick repukes in the nuts. But I can't/don't roll like this. It would make me too much like them. I'm better than that.
I'm not gonna take the time to ask what their political affiliation is before I help. Even if I knew it wouldn't make a difference. Truth be told, it wouldn't have to be a life or death situation for me to help, if someone needed food, heat, gas, etc I'd probably help if I could.
I'd hope that if you're actually faced with a situation, you'd make the right choice.
Not judging you, just giving my opinion.
Peace!
cali
(114,904 posts)you are perpetrating the ugliest kind of mentality with this op.
I've dealt with criminals who've had more empathy than this person.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Don't insult the dog shit though.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)begin_within
(21,551 posts)Through their policies, they are essentially saying, "No, I won't help you."
So, it's perfectly appropriate and fitting to say to them, "No, I won't help you."
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)That's a brilliant strategy. 
I've dealt with criminals that have more empathy for their fellow human beings than some "progressives" in this thread.
Pathetic.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)you'd do nothing?
Sick.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)They already denied someone else the right to health care when they needed it. So they lost that right themselves.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)in your world, 2 wrongs make a right. Well, that's not the way I was raised and thankfully, neither was the rest of the American people.
Why would any progressive think this is correct?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I suppose a lot of people help others, not because it's the right thing to do, but because it's merely a return on an investment-- which isn't really help in the first place.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Very interesting position to take considering the name you've chosen for yourself here at DU.
I'll ask again: begin WHAT within?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)excuse for the fact that you don't help others when in need. You got yours, F the rest.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)I know it's hard for you to imagine but it's POSSIBLE to be a helpful person and yet be so thoroughly disgusted by Republicans that you can't stand to help them.
Aid and comfort to the enemy, and all that.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"The want a Darwinist country then I will give them one..."
I imagine many people find it convenient to predicate their own ethical behavior on that of the lowest common denominator they claim to abhor in the first place.
Thankfully, I have faith that many more people, regardless of politics, still help each other-- although it doesn't get the airtime, the front page, or the greatest hits like vulgarity does, it still outweighs it.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)gee, what does that make me think of? Could it be something that rhymes with mole?
Dr. Strange
(25,929 posts)
glacierbay
(2,477 posts) sagat
(241 posts)Screw 'em, let 'em rot.
cali
(114,904 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)due to their political beliefs, you are advocating for a dictatorship, no matter which side you're on.
Have fun with that.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)How about a person in distress who is unable to answer your question about his or her party affiliation? Say he or she is unconscious or doesn't speak English.
Do you assume the person to be a Republican and let him or her die?
EasyGirl
(89 posts)I'll bet that the original poster is a troll. He/she posted that swill to get a rize out of the normal people. Disruptive.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)I can't see any other reason for such an inflammatory thread.
Good call.
EasyGirl
(89 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)12-4 and I and my wife were there at Busch Stadium to see it happen. 
EasyGirl
(89 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)Bless your heart.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)And we can dare to complain when Marines piss on Taliban graves. Yet still relish watching a repug child drown?
Sorry when someone is in trouble I don't ask who they voted for. I can worry about such trivialities after the emergency has passed. Imagine our outrage if Katrina survivors had been asked party affiliation before rescuing them.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)and it is a significant number of people, is out to get them, to the point where this person would let any of them, essentially, die...
well...it says more about the person than the group he hates.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Without four-letter words or accusations, just stating it as it is.
I don't agree with it, but I do think it applies with regard to some who'd say the same thing.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Beginning with the OP, all the way down to the end, this is pure tripe.
didact
(246 posts)Some replies seem 'sane', but the OP's claim is ludicrous, maybe true, but ludicrous.
hiphopnation
(3,100 posts)...time to finish your homework before dinner. Early bedtime for you!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Without intent to do so, we often advertise our character in ways we're not aware of.
GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)Yes stand up to them. But not to help a fellow human being? REALLY?
Not to go all Godwin on you, but that's the kind of thing that happened in Nazi Germany, in Petain's France, in Mussolini's Italy, in Czarist and Stalinist Russia, in Cambodia, in Mao's China, in the USA before and after the Civil War.
You're forgetting John Donne:
No man is an island, entire of itself
every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main
if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were,
as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were
any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind
and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls
it tolls for thee.
randome
(34,845 posts) GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)Losing subthreads is not fun.
I can always ignore idiots by not reading them. Or just trashing their threads. Haven't been able to trash this train wreck yet. My bad.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)learned THAT a long time ago. I defend MYSELF, and my kids in the past when they were young. Everyone for themselves is the Republican way. Ok, so be it. YOU are on your own too. It works both ways, Republicans.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)is choking to death you'd just let him die? That is some vile kinda love right there. 
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)heard him say this. So why should I save him if he is choking? If your #1 concern is yourself, why should I save you? Everyone for themself. Not going to go into the GUN issue with him here, suffice to say that I WOULD NOT get his gun to save him either.
What a "mixed" marriage is like.
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)I don't care if he is a raving lunatic, I'd still help -- at least I hope so. Why are you still married to him -- seriously WHY? I have many very right wing family and friends but I would still help them if they needed it. Maybe growing up in Idaho gave me the compassion gene or something. Take care and tell the Hubby to chew his food at least 20 times before trying to swallow. I live too far from Florida to offer aid.
Take Care and I hope you find peace somehow somewhere!! 
MFM008
(19,829 posts)he hates gopers so much, when he finds out what they are he wont talk to them. He says, if you can believe what you do, we have nothing to say to each other.
petronius
(26,611 posts)Politics has nothing to do with it - it's not about them, it's about me and who/what I want to be...
sl8
(13,966 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,968 posts)If someone is in trouble you help them. Period. "But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." In other words, love your enemy; it will drive him crazy.
Remember: The 'baggers think liberals are the tools of Satan at worst, amoral losers at best. Treat them with kindness and compassion and maybe you'll take a brick out of their wall of hate. It never pays to be unkind; it never hurts to be kind.
genxlib
(5,547 posts)Our interest in helping others should not exist because we think THEY are particularly good people.
It should exist because WE want to be.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The dominant strain of the party are hate filled assholes, but President Obama has 7-10% support from republicans. The surest way to turn a person off is to slap them in the face when they try to extend an olive branch, even if they don't know how to best do that. Learn to look into people's hearts through their eyes.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)The entire party and its ideology is built on a foundation of selfishness.
yardwork
(61,753 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)I have received generous help from people who happen to be Republicans. And the parable of the Good Samaritan tells us that we should help someone who needs it, even if they are our enemy.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)during the primaries Republicans responded to that is was ok to let people die because they have no insurance. Or they mocked a combat vet because he is gay. Or when they want to snuff big bird because Sesame street is brainwashing children to be more progressive or sharing. They don't want any ideas but theirs.
The women in Virginia could not even protest when a terrible bill was passed. They risked arrest if they even opened their mouth.
I am also a vet and they just killed two crucial bills and will cut VA and even privatize it given the chance. I guess it is ok for vets who earned their care are now takers and not makers. I would not put my butt on the for a damned Republican who supports screwing vets. And that is all that they have done.
Anyone today who supports their extreme racist religious anti worker agenda really needs to understand that today's GOP is NOT a friend.
We are walking neighborhoods and when we do run into a Republican by accident because we are targeting independents they are nsty and hateful and rude if they know you are a Democrat.
If you have a GOP friend and it works out that is ok.
We are in this mess in the country because of GOP policies that will get much worse under someone like Romney. He is acting like a moderate but wait and see what happens should he win.
I accept the fact that I would get backlash for this post. My post just tells me where people are.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)And look how many people have fallen for it.
Raine
(30,541 posts)makes some look pretty bad.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)As my dad often said, it's amazing what some people will volunteer for.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)Raine
(30,541 posts)even though I'm sure they think I'm a real lefty radical. Also my neighbor a repug really helped me out of a bad situation with the city. At election time we always have competing campaign signs but if he needs help I'll be there the way he was for me.
bluedigger
(17,090 posts)noun
1.
great pain, anxiety, or sorrow; acute physical or mental suffering; affliction; trouble.
2.
a state of extreme necessity or misfortune.
3.
the state of a ship or airplane requiring immediate assistance, as when on fire in transit.
4.
that which causes pain, suffering, trouble, danger, etc.
5.
liability or exposure to pain, suffering, trouble, etc.; danger: a damsel in distress.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Distress?s=t
hughee99
(16,113 posts)to see if you qualify for assistance." n/t
That about sums up what I think, too.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Fucking incredible.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Look up a site called "arab woman blues" This is done by a woman who admittedly,was probably not likeable before the wars, because her love of Saddam and hate of Shia borders on psychosis. But she will talk in blood freezing terms about the EVIL this nation has doen to Iraq. She reads notes from Liberals, and says outright "why should I care that you voted against Bush, you let him kill us all, not discriminating between the people who loved you and hated you" and then goes into how she would kill any American and European if she could. She calls Noam Chomsky a pawn of Iran,and even wants the far left in the west dead.
Now, as bad as anybody has had it, none of us have had it is bad as she, the lady who goes by "layla." Just try to read where she talks about mangled fetus being born from DPU, or how some soliders blast Metallica while they rape preteen girls, and tell me she does not have a reason to hate Americans. Yet, we know that there ar emany of us who want he fuckign war machione shut down, not the least of which because it is killing us.
I hate to quote scripture,especially as many doubt Jesus ever lived, but "to those that showmercy,mercy is shown."
Autumn
(45,120 posts)beliefs never enter my mind. My Son in Law is a republican, and I adore him. We came out of a restaurant one time and there was a woman, about 45 maybe older with an old beat up dog in a shopping cart and a few grocery bags of cans she had collected sitting by a curb with trees out on the corner. As we walked by he stopped opened his wallet and gave her a hundred dollars and told her it looked like it was going to be a cold evening. My most favorite Christmas gift I ever received from him was 2 rolls of toilet paper, with George Bushes face on it, that was Christmas of 94 after that brutal election.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Amazing to me how many people become so determined to emulate the very thing they most despise in others.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Bitter, angry, tribal, perhaps genocidal. You are doing exactly what they do, exhibiting the worst of human nature. Us v. them, black/white, binary thinking, the kind that leads to war and genocide.
Besides, how will you know that somebody is a Republican? Ask them to fill out a form? Or simply judge them by where you find them and what they look like?
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)
brewens
(13,649 posts)than reasonable moderate Republicans used to be. They've just been lied to and terrorized. At some point things will change and we will need to work together.
I will say that I would try and sabotage a real hard core teabaggers chances of getting a job where I work or anywhere else I have any pull. If they don't believe in working people being paid fairly, let them work for Wallly World or worse. Not with me.
gopiscrap
(23,766 posts)I was praying for a meteor to hit the RNC convention site!!!
upi402
(16,854 posts)Like Kurdt Kobain's 'ok to eat fish' justification lyric.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)
flvegan
(64,423 posts)Is it just because of the "lively discussion" that you didn't expect? Or is it because you're human, have empathy, and won't let politics rule you in such a situation?
Or maybe I just don't get it. I see another person in distress and I can help them out, I do so. Regardless of how they vote.
My brother is a Republican, like it or not. I don't, but his choice. And were he in distress, and you showed neglect based on that...I would hate how that ended for you. Good way to make enemies on your own team.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Congratulations, republican.
The ugliest thing in the world is partisanship that has hatred as its core attribute. You've gone over to the other side... you are now one of them.
You could have edited your original post to reflect your "addendum" by taking your original statement out or changing it. You didn't. You could have edited your subject line. You didn't. You could have SELF-DELETED this stinking piece of shit post... You didn't.
That there are so many people who would recommend this shameful statement is testament to what DU has become. That the post was allowed to stand is testament to what DU has become.
You've painted with a brush so wide that one swipe would cover the broad side of a barn, and the color of your paint is hatred.
Congratulations, republican.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)every day? "The guy I know is a good buddy and we help each other out" doesn't cut it. Either you help to the limit of your ability every time every day, or you are a part of the problem.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)I will go to my grave arguing with the right about how they are voting against their own best interests...about how they are handing our financial future to corporations and our freedoms to a bunch of religious whackos....but it is NOT in my nature as a leftist to refuse to help someone in need whatever their political or any other affiliation.
I would NEVER refuse to help a hungry family simply because of politics.
I would NEVER allow a homeless person to freeze over politics
I would NEVER allow a child to suffer over the political beliefs of the parents.
I would NEVER EVER EVER allow an animal to suffer because I disagreed with the owners.
Maybe I'm just wired different but I try to help people...you know...what USED to make us liberals
