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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:32 AM Jan 2021

Regarding that Senate "power sharing arrangement" that has set some folks' hair on fire

The press is doing a disservice by saying that Schumer and McConnell have reached a "power sharing arrangement," as if Schumer is giving McConnell something he doesn't already have.

That's not what's happening.

What is being discussed relates mostly to how committees will operate in a 50-50 Senate. Committee membership is based on the numbers of Republicans and Democrats in the larger body. When the Senate is 50-50, committee membership is also usually 50-50. And the Vice President has no tie-breaking role, since they only break ties in floor votes. Under normal Senate rules, it's difficult for measures to get out of committee and to the floor on a tie vote. Things get stalled, the minority party (i.e., the party without the Vice President) can exercise outsized power, etc.

So, they're working out how to manage this and they're using the rules set in 2001 when the Senate was 50-50. The plan they're discussing would make Schumer the Majority Leader, give all of the committee chairs to the Democrats, and allow tie votes on bills and nominations to be sent out of committee to the floor.

In reality, the 50-50 split in committee means the two parties already share power. This arrangement simply works out how that shared power will work so that Senate business isn't forever stuck in committee and Republicans can't cause mischief they would no doubt do without such an arrangement.

I hope this helps folks calm down. Schumer is not "caving" and he's not "giving away power." He's doing exactly what he needs to do to make sure the Senate Democrats can more easily and effectively advance their agenda, which was the point of fighting for a Democratic Senate majority.

This is much ado about nothing.

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Regarding that Senate "power sharing arrangement" that has set some folks' hair on fire (Original Post) StarfishSaver Jan 2021 OP
Ty! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #1
Yes, and it's appropriate. SharonAnn Jan 2021 #33
I wish people would think before treestar Jan 2021 #2
Think of the smell! William769 Jan 2021 #5
Thanks. TomSlick Jan 2021 #3
Thanks for that explanation. nt Atticus Jan 2021 #4
Thx, I had no idea what it meant! Kittycow Jan 2021 #6
Thank you!! Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #7
Thank you for that peggysue2 Jan 2021 #8
So when there is a 50-50 vote in committee it goes to the floor for a deciding vote, right? brush Jan 2021 #9
Yes. If the Democrats want the bill to go to the floor. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #19
Very good. We're cooking with gas. brush Jan 2021 #27
Yep StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #29
The Democrats shouldn't let those headlines out there leftstreet Jan 2021 #10
How are Democratic leaders in control of the headlines? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #13
Schumer and his spokespeople give the quotes leftstreet Jan 2021 #24
People DO give a shish about the Senate actually getting things done StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #26
+1 ancianita Jan 2021 #38
Thank you for the explanation -- yes, I'd read some concerning press reports. n/t pnwmom Jan 2021 #11
This is why DU is so valuable. Clear, concise commentary that educates all of us. Thanks. Well done. RussellCattle Jan 2021 #12
In this era of Covid illnesses/quarantines, Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #14
Senate committees have long permitted voting by proxy. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #17
Thanks. But no proxy voting on a bill on the floor, correct? Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #20
I don't believe the Senate has put remote/proxy voting into place StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #23
As always, thank you. sheshe2 Jan 2021 #15
I love this. Thank you! StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #21
Back at ya hon. sheshe2 Jan 2021 #25
Thank you for putting a damper on some of the jerking knees. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #16
It's like Whack-a-Mole StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #22
+1 sheshe2 Jan 2021 #30
I hope it works. cayugafalls Jan 2021 #18
It's just the media trying to garner some hits and viewership. herding cats Jan 2021 #28
Mahalo so much for the Explanation Cha Jan 2021 #31
You're welcome StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #34
Yeah, I like reading about Cha Jan 2021 #35
K&R. n/t Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2021 #32
Thanks for the explanation. hay rick Jan 2021 #36
Thank you for bringing sorely needed factual information to this issue. scarletwoman Jan 2021 #37
Thank you! relayerbob Jan 2021 #39
You know, the big deal to me is that bills actually DO get out on the floor for a vote. PatrickforO Jan 2021 #40
I agree. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #42
This is why you're the go to person on the way lunatica Jan 2021 #41
Thanks for the clarification, SfS. crickets Jan 2021 #43
K&R Docreed2003 Jan 2021 #44
The article I'd read had indicated that the 2001 plan involved splitting the Committee heads pnwmom Jan 2021 #45
Thank you! betsuni Jan 2021 #46
Awesome! Karma13612 Jan 2021 #47
What's in it for Mitch to agree to this when he could continue to obstruct by not agreeing and Amaryllis Jan 2021 #48

Thekaspervote

(32,820 posts)
7. Thank you!!
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:37 AM
Jan 2021

This isn’t the time to doubt our dem leaders! The ship didn’t sink because of them... let’s give them credit for knowing what’s the right thing and when to do it.

brush

(53,972 posts)
9. So when there is a 50-50 vote in committee it goes to the floor for a deciding vote, right?
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:37 AM
Jan 2021

And then our VP advantage comes in.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. Yes. If the Democrats want the bill to go to the floor.
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:50 AM
Jan 2021

I believe a 50-50 vote with the Democrats voting no is also treated as a Democratic majority and that wouldn't come out of committee.

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
10. The Democrats shouldn't let those headlines out there
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:39 AM
Jan 2021

They've just won a victory, but they already need people out there ExPlaiNiNg headlines that make them look weak.

smh

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
13. How are Democratic leaders in control of the headlines?
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:42 AM
Jan 2021

You know what would work better? If Democrats to actually READ the story instead of going off all half-cocked because they only read the headline and didn't bother to read what was under it.

That's not the fault of the Democratic leadership. That's on folks on the ground.

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
24. Schumer and his spokespeople give the quotes
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:53 AM
Jan 2021

One article's quote:

"Leader Schumer expressed that the fairest, most reasonable and easiest path forward is to adopt the 2001 bipartisan agreement without extraneous changes from either side," the spokesperson said. The spokesperson said that Schumer and McConnell had made progress on confirming Biden's nominees and holding a "fair impeachment trial" for outgoing President Donald Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/19/schumer-mcconnell-senate-deal-460367


People voted for a strong repudiation of Trump, McConnell and the GOP.

No one gives a shit about being "reasonable" or taking an "easy path" forward.

That's how midterms get lost
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. People DO give a shish about the Senate actually getting things done
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:57 AM
Jan 2021

Much more interested in that than in exacting revenge.

The best way to "repudiate" Trump is to pass bills and nominations that actually help the American public instead of holding out in order to show how tough we can be, and getting nothing accomplished in the process.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,976 posts)
16. Thank you for putting a damper on some of the jerking knees.
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:45 AM
Jan 2021

But of course we always have to have a few hissy fits about how Democrats suck, don't we?

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
28. It's just the media trying to garner some hits and viewership.
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:57 AM
Jan 2021

If anyone here doesn't recall what it was like back before Trump, I'll be happy to explain the MSM pre Trump in two sentences.

If a Republican does something wrong they scream both sides do it!!

If a Democrat is being smeared by the RW media they become 'fair and balanced' and will be giving extra airtime/print to the smear.

At DU heads will explode, curses will be said and grudges will be formed. There will be deletions posts and members will be banned.

It feels so good to be back to state where I know what to expect each day when I look at my pushes! No blatant racism, no children in cages, no kissing up to global dictators and no childish name calling from our President. Just a stable leadership and good legislation with all our best interests at its core.

Cha

(298,021 posts)
31. Mahalo so much for the Explanation
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 01:21 AM
Jan 2021

of how That Works! So wonderful to have real information & not just reactions without knowing all the important Details!

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
34. You're welcome
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 01:48 AM
Jan 2021

But most of this information is available just by googling it. It's frustrating that people are so quick to fly off the handle based on the headlines without bothering to read all the words that follow it.

PatrickforO

(14,604 posts)
40. You know, the big deal to me is that bills actually DO get out on the floor for a vote.
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 02:43 AM
Jan 2021

That's the way we move forward, and I've had quite enough of McConnell smothering bill after bill.

I don't mind not always getting my way, but we have to have the debate and the vote.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
42. I agree.
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 02:47 AM
Jan 2021

If they work out this deal, the Democrats will be able to get bills out of committee pretty easily, as long as they all stick together. Without this arrangement, the Republicans could bottle up everything in committee if THEY stick together.

crickets

(25,990 posts)
43. Thanks for the clarification, SfS.
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 03:01 AM
Jan 2021

I was a little confused about what was going on and why some were so upset. The explanation makes sense and sounds like it's going to be a good thing, a business as usual kind of thing. Hooray for norms and normalcy.

pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
45. The article I'd read had indicated that the 2001 plan involved splitting the Committee heads
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 03:07 AM
Jan 2021

between the two parties.

So what you're saying now would be a lot better than that.

Amaryllis

(9,527 posts)
48. What's in it for Mitch to agree to this when he could continue to obstruct by not agreeing and
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 08:17 PM
Jan 2021

keeping bills stuck in committee when they are tied and not moving to the floor?

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