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Raine1967

(11,590 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 02:44 PM Jan 2021

About that video from Arnold Schwarzenegger:

I can't find any of the OP with the video, so please give me a pass on not kicking it back up.

I cried when he spoke of the aftermath of nazi Germany. I had family that was among that group. I never met them, and they are not spoken of in my family. I know very little about them.

My 4 grandparents were born in Germany. To the best of my knowledge, they came to the USA before the war. I can only definitely confirm that my grandparents on my mother's side came over in the teens. IOW, before WW2. Those scars run deeper than Arnold speaks of. It became generational here on our shores as well. I'm a second-generation American.

He's right about the damage done to families. Trust me when I say the trauma is passed down until it is dealt with. The trauma stopped and healing began with the second generation in my family.

That said, we must hold people accountable before we can heal and reunite. Nixon being pardoned may have had a short term healing, but we are suffering the damage of that action. The people involved, the people that incited this need to be held to account. Accountability is not vengeance.

We need to impeach again so future generations will be given a nation that had a chance to be able to unite and heal.


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About that video from Arnold Schwarzenegger: (Original Post) Raine1967 Jan 2021 OP
Thank You for posting this...K and R...no text.. Stuart G Jan 2021 #1
That part up front was extremely powerful BeyondGeography Jan 2021 #2
K&R ffr Jan 2021 #14
That's beautiful! Karadeniz Jan 2021 #15
It is...a very rare example of public soul baring BeyondGeography Jan 2021 #17
Thank you for posting this. n/t Upthevibe Jan 2021 #25
K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2021 #3
I do not like the man. The first 4 minutes was very powerful. Everyone should listen. Very good. LizBeth Jan 2021 #4
Agree MaryMagdaline Jan 2021 #6
I Think He's Grown Since he Was Governor Skraxx Jan 2021 #16
As a woman, I do not like him. As a woman, I am almost disgusted with him. I can see the LizBeth Jan 2021 #22
Voted against him both times he ran Retrograde Jan 2021 #31
+1 LizBeth Jan 2021 #33
THE WHOLE VIDEO WAS *** VERY POWERFUL *** trueblue2007 Jan 2021 #34
Ya, we have herd lots talk about that. But the first four was a unique conversation that needs to LizBeth Jan 2021 #35
Thank you for posting. Arnold's childhood memories were an eye opener. MaryMagdaline Jan 2021 #5
I've suspected something similar (transgenerational trauma) Backseat Driver Jan 2021 #7
I know far more from my mother's side of my family than I do about my father's. Raine1967 Jan 2021 #11
Here it is on YouTube. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2021 #8
KnR Hekate Jan 2021 #9
Many generations of Americans fled oppression of one kind or another bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #10
Let's not forget those that migrated for better opportunities, or even opportunism. erronis Jan 2021 #12
I paint. I love what you said. Raine1967 Jan 2021 #13
Then there was tRUMP's grandfather who left Germany to avoid serving in the army. japple Jan 2021 #21
That's not so unusual FakeNoose Jan 2021 #27
Well done, B F. I wish we knew much more of the migrations across the steppes of central Asia. jaxexpat Jan 2021 #30
Yeah, once you jump across the seas outside America, genealogy becomes murkier bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #32
Great post. The healing from the Nixon pardons NEVER NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #18
and Roger Stone DBoon Jan 2021 #36
How did I forget that top hat wearing douche?? NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #37
Wow - Schwarzenegger calls Wednesday America's Kristallnacht Quote Tweet Gothmog Jan 2021 #19
"Accountability is not vengeance." BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #20
+1 Raine1967 Jan 2021 #23
K & R and thank you for this post mountain grammy Jan 2021 #24
There's not much unifying without reconcilation. Let them confess and ask for forgiveness. marble falls Jan 2021 #26
While touring Dachau concentration camp near Munich several years ago, OMGWTF Jan 2021 #28
WOW !! Looking at the Arnold video now ... powerful uponit7771 Jan 2021 #29
Schwarzenegger is a Republican. Xolodno Jan 2021 #38

Skraxx

(3,003 posts)
16. I Think He's Grown Since he Was Governor
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:03 PM
Jan 2021

I welcome his support. His biggest fault is his huge ego, but I think he’s a decent person, misguided often, but not incapable of growth and learning it seems. I will cut Arnold slack. I believe he has shown regret for many of his most egregious decision as Governor, including his betrayal on Marriage equality.

LizBeth

(9,966 posts)
22. As a woman, I do not like him. As a woman, I am almost disgusted with him. I can see the
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 05:02 PM
Jan 2021

other parts of the man too. Just makes me that good but as a woman, I do not respect the man. I don't like him. I do not like how he talks about women, or to women.

Retrograde

(10,296 posts)
31. Voted against him both times he ran
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 06:18 PM
Jan 2021

He was, though, capable of learning from his mistakes. As governor, he was no worse than most of his Republican predecessors, and better than quite a few (it's a low standard when you consider people like Reagan and Deukmejian). And unlike a certain current inhabitant of the White House, he actually is a self-made person.

He gave a very moving, heart-felt message that should have come from one of our current elected GOP officials but likely never will. I disagree with a lot of Schwartzenegger's positions, but I think he means what he says in this speech.

LizBeth

(9,966 posts)
35. Ya, we have herd lots talk about that. But the first four was a unique conversation that needs to
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 06:31 PM
Jan 2021

be heard or is good to hear, imo.

MaryMagdaline

(6,904 posts)
5. Thank you for posting. Arnold's childhood memories were an eye opener.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 02:58 PM
Jan 2021

I’ve never heard an honest account of what families felt after the defeat and shame associated with Nazi-ism.

Backseat Driver

(4,473 posts)
7. I've suspected something similar (transgenerational trauma)
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:12 PM
Jan 2021

occurred within my family w/German heritage. Grandparents on that side rarely mentioned their parents that entered through Ellis Island before the turn of the century nor why they came to this country as a child or yet unborn. Where or how they lived is a mystery and, past that, I've found nothing including gravesites. On the other side, little more than a few crickets and an unknown distant relative's genealogy search records. DH's oral family history was similarly silent about "coming to America."

Raine1967

(11,590 posts)
11. I know far more from my mother's side of my family than I do about my father's.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:56 PM
Jan 2021

My maternal grandparents came over here via NJ. My Father, who I no longer communicate with for reasons that are beside my general point, would never answer my questions about how his family came to came to our shores. I know where my maternal grandparents (and Maternal Great grandparents) came from in Germany.

What I do know is that my father was abused by his father.

in turn that abuse continued. It ended with my sisters.

bucolic_frolic

(44,542 posts)
10. Many generations of Americans fled oppression of one kind or another
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jan 2021

so yes, we all have stories to tell if we investigate our ancestry, so we know what you're saying.

Pre-Revolution, many came for religious freedom but who could doubt they came for economic reasons. Britain, France, Spain, Sweden, Holland sent explorers and established a presence in North America.

French Canada fled for economic reasons in the Quebec Diaspora. Irish fled in the potato famine and when their lands were repossessed. French fled the Bourbon kings. Germans and many of Central Europe fled after the Revolutions of 1848. Once you lived through Napoleon, more revolutions were a sign to leave. Italians fled for economic and political reasons even after Garibaldi strengthened the Italian State. Russians fled oppression of the Tsar back when he was the Czar.

Populations fleeing war and oppression and economic domination only increased in the 1900s. Everywhere people seek freedom and opportunity, yet governments keep being seized by tyrants. That is the world we live in. Free trade was supposed to lead to a level playing field and no comparative advantage. Yet here we are where our own political oligarchy is oppressing us because they're so greedy and believe they are God's chosen elite. Snooty.

I've run on to paint the picture. It's a bit impressionist. But you get the idea.

erronis

(15,973 posts)
12. Let's not forget those that migrated for better opportunities, or even opportunism.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:59 PM
Jan 2021

Opportunism fueled the western expansion within the Americas. Spanish, Portuguese, French, English, etc.

I'm not saying that many might have fled poverty or lack of opportunities in their original country but a lot of movement is for economic reasons.

The "westward-ho" movement in the US probably can't be based on persecution unless you were a non-white. The white expansion into the western states were people looking for better opportunities, and the opportunists that took advantage of their needs/wants.

Raine1967

(11,590 posts)
13. I paint. I love what you said.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:59 PM
Jan 2021

It's what makes his words incredibly important to me.

I disagree with him on many issues, but I don't disagree with the idea that people need to be held to account.

FakeNoose

(33,851 posts)
27. That's not so unusual
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 05:35 PM
Jan 2021

A lot of young men came over from the German-speaking countries between 1850 and 1910 to avoid being drafted. What was unusual about Chump's grandfather was after he made a lot of money, he went back and they wouldn't allow him to stay. He even married a woman who had German citizenship, but they were forced to return to the U.S.

I believe my own great-grandfather came over from Hesse around 1855. He was about 18 years old, and it's likely that he wanted to avoid fighting in the Kaiser's army. My great-grandfather prospered in the Saint Louis area, and lived to the age of 93.

jaxexpat

(7,180 posts)
30. Well done, B F. I wish we knew much more of the migrations across the steppes of central Asia.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 06:06 PM
Jan 2021

I'm sure their stories are every bit as compelling as our 20th century perspective. We only get the crests of the wave. Magars, Teutons, Visigoths, Huns, Vandals, Burgundians. Classical invaders were moving to new lands due to population growth in all directions. Modern hordes do, too. Gravitating toward the civilization which is best in dealing with population pressure. Seeking to find a place to eat and live. Feeders feed. It's painfully obvious that incremental success in the ever narrowing "field" of agriculture is killing this planet's ability to support humans hoping to continue living, enthralled with the status quo.

It's been said that Queen Victoria had lavish suppers, nightly. Grand affairs with tastes on the cutting edge of Epicurean technology. I'm glad she did, for it is the memory of those rich, savory, palatial orgies, more real in their digital re-telling, which will need suffice the fantasy of our palate's tasteless progeny.

bucolic_frolic

(44,542 posts)
32. Yeah, once you jump across the seas outside America, genealogy becomes murkier
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 06:21 PM
Jan 2021

You're relying on border crossings, if there was a border and if records were kept. Then you wait for digitalization of records, which is to say money or volunteerism to do the work. Across oceans, records were kept and filed with governments upon arrival - called ship's manifests. Grab a name and its many possible misspellings and a general time frame and you might be in business. There are sites besides ancestry. geni.com for example. As well as genealogical societies, historical societies in many locales.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,795 posts)
18. Great post. The healing from the Nixon pardons NEVER
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:29 PM
Jan 2021

happened IMO. The humiliation of being caught and the brand tarnished gave us Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ailes and others to change the political landscape so that someone like the Orange Menace could come into being.

OMGWTF

(4,149 posts)
28. While touring Dachau concentration camp near Munich several years ago,
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 05:46 PM
Jan 2021

I was glad to see that there were groups of German school children there learning the truth about their country's history. There are fidiots in the US who are still fighting the Civil War.

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