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BlueTsunami2018

(3,474 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:17 PM Jan 2021

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and had inside help

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1

The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.



While they did not furnish evidence that federal agency officials facilitated the chaos, Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the scale and seriousness of Wednesday's events: America's international military and security allies are now willing to give serious credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and that some federal law-enforcement agents — by omission or otherwise — facilitated the attempt.



One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

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I absolutely believe this was this case. We have to root these people out, charge them, convict them and make them pay the constitutional price for treason. For this was nothing less.
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Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and had inside help (Original Post) BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2021 OP
Yes, this...100% First Speaker Jan 2021 #1
That's what the former generals on MSNBC seem to think too. They want him out today. meadowlander Jan 2021 #2
It would be easy to think that liberal N proud Jan 2021 #3
Yes. sinkingfeeling Jan 2021 #4
Didn't loose lips Ahpook Jan 2021 #5
The Tweet ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #8
He first said it Dec. 19 !! Captain Zero Jan 2021 #39
Do not become them. nt Wawannabe Jan 2021 #44
Yes. Cleaning house must be done thoroughly and extensively. There will be no safe spots to ... SWBTATTReg Jan 2021 #6
There were collaborators in the DOD. Hoyer called Hogan (R Gov MD) and asked for National Guard RockRaven Jan 2021 #7
Gov Hogan Corgigal Jan 2021 #33
That's cause trump fired all of the top DOD a month ago and replaced them with minions.. Volaris Jan 2021 #35
In the piles of info today I saw something... 2naSalit Jan 2021 #9
This rings true Kitchari Jan 2021 #10
I guess we'll know more about it eventually. 2naSalit Jan 2021 #11
Yes, I think it'll come out. ShazzieB Jan 2021 #30
You Can Be Sure The Shredders Are Working At Full Capacity DallasNE Jan 2021 #41
I have no doubt. If anyone other than trumps minions had been in charge, Volaris Jan 2021 #36
It's exactly what happened, the evidence is in plain sight. msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #12
To me this whole thing smell of Roger Stone... YMMV.. nt mitch96 Jan 2021 #13
he did...we were damn lucky it wasn't worse.... dhill926 Jan 2021 #14
This too malaise Jan 2021 #15
I believe this. dmr Jan 2021 #16
It's been obvious for quite awhile that Trump had law enforcement groups on his side DSandra Jan 2021 #17
If there is a civil war and law enforcement take a side, they lose Blue_true Jan 2021 #40
DeSandra, if WE decide to riott (and mean it) all the militias and all the cops in the nation wont Volaris Jan 2021 #42
Lock them up! oasis Jan 2021 #18
Pitiful law enforcement/ security sure smells like lots of "inside help." Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #19
This is treason. Find and indict everyone who aided Trump in his attempt to overthrow an election. Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #20
Yeah, I believe that in the minds of the cultist, it was a real coup with a real chance of Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2021 #21
If only because that MAGAT was stopped at the window... IthinkThereforeIAM Jan 2021 #48
A thorough investigation must be done. BarbD Jan 2021 #22
A lot of folks here think that, too... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #23
The Pentagon bdamomma Jan 2021 #27
That's why Trump fired high level Pentagon officials... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #32
I do too. mgardener Jan 2021 #24
Trump had a plan, and his co conspirators in the GOP. badboy67 Jan 2021 #25
It was clear yesterday that someone called off the kind of security that would normally be there. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #26
The constitutional price for treason is death of course. I'm all for it here. Lucky Luciano Jan 2021 #28
Lucky Wawannabe Jan 2021 #45
Back the Blue only kacekwl Jan 2021 #29
Yep they get it.. Volaris Jan 2021 #31
I suspect the same, and I don't think the gallows... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #34
There's no way yesterday would have occurred without permission ecstatic Jan 2021 #37
My sentiments, exactly... IthinkThereforeIAM Jan 2021 #49
De-Trumpification needs to be the second most important bit of business pursued... LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #38
AND Lies to them! Wawannabe Jan 2021 #43
Rommel was a supporter of the failed coup against Hitler. rickford66 Jan 2021 #46
K&R MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #47

liberal N proud

(60,330 posts)
3. It would be easy to think that
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:20 PM
Jan 2021

The trump cult said they were going to riot, trump said it would be like nothing we ever seen, the capitol police didn't even have a full staff.

Ahpook

(2,748 posts)
5. Didn't loose lips
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:22 PM
Jan 2021

Say something a few days ago about the 6th being a big day? He always let's a portion of his plan out of the bag.

And yes, he definitely tried a coup yesterday.

ProfessorGAC

(64,764 posts)
8. The Tweet
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:32 PM
Jan 2021

When he was hiding out, cheating at golf, he tweeted "See you in DC on the 6th" then cut his "vacation" short.
(Vacation in quotes, because he has been on a 4 year vacation already)

Captain Zero

(6,771 posts)
39. He first said it Dec. 19 !!
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:36 PM
Jan 2021

That January 6 was really going to be something never seen !!

Not sure where I saw it quoted.

We need to root them out and hang them.

I remember it being Dec 19 because that's my father's birthday. Who did he meet with from Dec15-18 !

Maybe this explains all his schedule notes of "many many meetings, and many many phone calls". (??)

Hmmmm?

SWBTATTReg

(22,041 posts)
6. Yes. Cleaning house must be done thoroughly and extensively. There will be no safe spots to ...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:24 PM
Jan 2021

hide or vanish. The looters/protesters should be brought to justice, and made to pay, if guilty. Those who sat idly by, while all of this was transpiring, when their jobs demanded far more from them then to sit by and let the protesters by, should be made to pay too. They failed miserably. trump of course, the instigator of this whole mess, should bear the primary responsibility for this whole mess, by deliberately flaming the flames even higher, in effect, throwing gasoline on a lighted fire.

RockRaven

(14,864 posts)
7. There were collaborators in the DOD. Hoyer called Hogan (R Gov MD) and asked for National Guard
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:27 PM
Jan 2021

and Hogan tried to send them, but the federal National Guard commanders prohibited the action.

Volaris

(10,265 posts)
35. That's cause trump fired all of the top DOD a month ago and replaced them with minions..
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:24 PM
Jan 2021

This is THE FINAL argument for DC Statehood.. so the mayor can actually ACT as the governor and DEFEND her city-State ON BEHALF of the elected government...

Regardless of whatever loon the q anon sect elects.

2naSalit

(86,261 posts)
9. In the piles of info today I saw something...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:47 PM
Jan 2021

claiming that the stooges planted at the Pentagon last week made sure security was light.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
41. You Can Be Sure The Shredders Are Working At Full Capacity
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:43 PM
Jan 2021

So how much can they destroy between now and January 20th? Breaking the law means nothing to them.

Volaris

(10,265 posts)
36. I have no doubt. If anyone other than trumps minions had been in charge,
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:26 PM
Jan 2021

There WOULD BE lines and lines of guys in riot gear yesterday at the Capitol.

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
12. It's exactly what happened, the evidence is in plain sight.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 10:00 PM
Jan 2021

There.. I appreciate the responsibility of journalism is burdened with the extra careful use of language, and often tiptoes around the obvious, but I feel like the extreme caution bends so far away from the bare facts and has been since the Birther bs through his campaign etc. How long did it take for journalists to say the word "Lies" instead of "untruths" ...

it's so damn frustrating.

dhill926

(16,295 posts)
14. he did...we were damn lucky it wasn't worse....
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 10:11 PM
Jan 2021

standing down of the Nat'l Guard is the tell for me...and firing of the Sec. of Defense a few weeks ago...

DSandra

(999 posts)
17. It's been obvious for quite awhile that Trump had law enforcement groups on his side
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 10:28 PM
Jan 2021

And given that his supporters are essentially cult followers, it's obvious that quite a bit of them must have been in on it.

I've thought for quite awhile that if there was a civil war, the real threat is not the ragtag militias and armchair revolutionaries but law enforcement (many of who are corrupt, love being enabled by him, and feel threatened by police reform) and supporters who've been in the military.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
40. If there is a civil war and law enforcement take a side, they lose
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:37 PM
Jan 2021

the shield that their badges give them, they become soldiers of one side and legitimate targets. Smart police officers and police leaders (there are some) understand the relationship between the protection that the shield (badge) gives police officers (you can’t attack them without consequence) and the responsibility of police officers to act professionally when dealing with everyone.

Volaris

(10,265 posts)
42. DeSandra, if WE decide to riott (and mean it) all the militias and all the cops in the nation wont
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:43 PM
Jan 2021

make a difference.. they know this.

It will take Hellfire strikes, and then the courts will be on our side.

THEY know this is truth. And it's what they FEAR. So, they put on their little revolution show...but it's just that...

Theatre.

They know it. WE know it. Which is why we LET THEM walk it back now. Their humility will be worth the wait, because the alternative is their HUMILIATION.

so it was for the british, TWICE. So it was for the Confederacy. So it was for the proponents of Jim Crow. As it SHOULD BE.

These fools dont scare me. The idea of a 'MORE perfect union' is what terrifies them. So, to Colin Kaepernick if you can see this,

Keep kneeling. The rest of us will STAND in a circle around you, under threat of death if we must...


Because that's who WE ARE.
And we are not afraid.
Fuck trump and every grift he stands for...

(because in the end, ITS ALL just a grift to them)

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
20. This is treason. Find and indict everyone who aided Trump in his attempt to overthrow an election.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 10:36 PM
Jan 2021

Biden has a huge cleanup job.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
21. Yeah, I believe that in the minds of the cultist, it was a real coup with a real chance of
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 10:36 PM
Jan 2021

being successful. But that belief was total delusional, like many of Trumps overly grandiose beliefs and statements. The reality is that it fell way, way, way short of succeeding, nowhere near the n numbers or degree of military preparedness.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,074 posts)
48. If only because that MAGAT was stopped at the window...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:41 AM
Jan 2021

... if the mob had gotten through and bum rushed what security was there, no telling what they would have done to the congress members they got to.

I think that made it all a bit more real for the ones that thought they were waltzing on Main Street USA at DisneyWorld.

bdamomma

(63,756 posts)
27. The Pentagon
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:07 PM
Jan 2021

is in question here too for me, holding back information from Pres-Elect Biden. And that report from Gov Hogan being denied the ok for National Guard to be sent to the Capitol, then got a call from someone else not from the same department to say the Guard was coming from Maryland.

Wounded Bear

(58,563 posts)
32. That's why Trump fired high level Pentagon officials...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:16 PM
Jan 2021

and replaced them a couple of weeks ago. He was counting on that to allow his coup to work.

mgardener

(1,808 posts)
24. I do too.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 10:50 PM
Jan 2021

He incited that group and sent them to the Capitol.
He knew all of Congress was there,, what they were doing and what they were constitutionally bound to to do.
Besides the violence, he was blatantly interfering with a Constitutional duty of Congress.
That is sedition.

On NPR today I heard Netanyahu denounce the violence
Trump did not till this evening.
Think about that.
World leaders denounced the violence before the President.
Republicans who still support this POTUS ARE TRAITORS TO THE US.

Ford_Prefect

(7,856 posts)
26. It was clear yesterday that someone called off the kind of security that would normally be there.
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:05 PM
Jan 2021

It was plain as day that someone set up the Capitol for the attack to succeed. Nothing like enough police and others were on site given the kinds of threats and warnings that have been circulating in official DC. Which is not to mention that had there been similar warnings related to a BLM protest you'd have seen hundreds of National guard, helicopters, drones and militarized police vehicles surrounding the Capitol building.

It really helps if you're a white nationalist and have the president clearing the way for you to attack the US Congress in session. This was the wet dream of proud boy-boogaloo insurectionists, and Magats to invade and unseat Federal Government and the pet project of Donny Putin-Licker along with his select staff of enablers.

kacekwl

(7,008 posts)
29. Back the Blue only
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:10 PM
Jan 2021

If they support the Coup. Right patriots. I hope we can get this figured out and oust the traitors.

Volaris

(10,265 posts)
31. Yep they get it..
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:15 PM
Jan 2021

FatWolverine and Hawley should at least have to defend themselves in court...expulsion is not enough.

(Edited for a Rick Wilson reference..ted Cruz's nickname according to rick wilson)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
34. I suspect the same, and I don't think the gallows...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:22 PM
Jan 2021

... that was erected outside (with the noose) was just symbolic.

The military-looking guy with the plastic wrist ties and his fellow terrorists intended to capture and then publicly kill people like Pelosi, imo.

ecstatic

(32,632 posts)
37. There's no way yesterday would have occurred without permission
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:32 PM
Jan 2021

from the highest levels of government. We were wondering why he fired those Pentagon officials and installed his own. We now know why.

Governor Hogan said he was stopped from sending troops for over an hour and a half.

Why?

It's obvious to me: tRump wanted every congressperson in that building to be killed, that's why. And the fact that tRump is still sitting his fat, monkey ass in the White House right now makes me sick to my stomach.

It shows just how desperately corrupt and broken our system is.

If an impeachment vote does not occur by tomorrow night, I will lose all respect for our leadership.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,074 posts)
49. My sentiments, exactly...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:49 AM
Jan 2021

... as I posted above, the death of the woman trying to get into the Speaker's Lobby to let the rest of the MAGATS bum rush what security was there, is what slowed things down. The rest of that mob at the doors and broken windows got a wake up call that it wasn't just a day at the carnival or DisneyWorld.

LudwigPastorius

(9,076 posts)
38. De-Trumpification needs to be the second most important bit of business pursued...
Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:35 PM
Jan 2021

by the new administration.

Certainly the pandemic response is first.

The third would be the rebuilding of government infrastructure and reversal of Trump policies and executive orders, but we shouldn't get down to that business until there is a thorough cleansing of Trump appointees.

We don't want saboteurs or slow-walkers in place to mess with Joe & Kamala's fixes.
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