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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout the woman who died...RIP you didn't deserve to die.
Unless she had a gun drawn, she shouldn't have been shot. The amount of glee on this site over her death disturbs me. We are better than that.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)Put me down as a shrug.
RAB910
(3,501 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)BadDog40
(273 posts)More of them should have been shot. If you try to storm the WH I guarantee you would be shot.
You don't just come up to a federal building much less congess and storm it. No matter who you are you should be riddled with holes when you try.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)uncle ray
(3,156 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)to do so. So she defied a direct order to move away. Perhaps there were congressional members still in the chamber.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)But no idea really
Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)But maybe the witness was wrong.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Nevilledog
(51,094 posts)dware
(12,369 posts)what were the police to think when she tried to push that duffle bag through the broken window?
As I said earlier, I'm sorry for her and her family, but her death is because of her actions.
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)I hope the duffle was recovered and examined by police.
Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)I am sorry for her and her family, but she knew better.
mcar
(42,307 posts)No sympathy for a terrorist.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)killed by cops?
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 7, 2021, 11:20 AM - Edit history (2)
One shot was heard.
edited to take away erroneous info.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)smb
(3,471 posts)(But then again, if a toddler can be President, why not?)
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)(Scratch that, I found it in another thread.)
Celerity
(43,344 posts)Montauk6
(8,075 posts)...are we so sure it wasn't "friendly" fire? I'm sure there will be an investigation as well as it should be.
Celerity
(43,344 posts)enter the chamber.
She had a duffel bag, was pushing it through the window they had broken to gain entry, so perhaps the SS thought it was an IED. Not entirely sure on the entire lead-up.
She played the traitor's game, and paid the traitor's price. Zero sympathy as insurrectionists know damn well they could likely die.
dware
(12,369 posts)what the hell were the police to think?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 6, 2021, 10:15 PM - Edit history (1)
On edit: Evidently this is the woman who was killed:
https://www.kusi.com/kusi-news-confirms-identity-of-woman-shot-and-killed-inside-us-capitol/
NBC reported earlier that she was shot in the chest.
Denzil_DC
(7,233 posts)She's been identified and described as "a fourteen-year veteran", which I guess would probably put her in her mid to late 30s.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)which would make her eligible to be a representative or a senator - one of the people she was trying to intimidate.
No, I have no sympathy for her. Sure, she's a youngish white woman, but she's an adult and should be held responsible for her actions. Try to overthrow a government, accept the consequences.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)And what did she have in the duffle bag?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I can't really muster much sympathy...
Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)Yeehah
(4,587 posts)Just to clarify.
Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)Good lord, edit your post.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)The men were probably to big to fit through. It was a window set within a wooden door leading to some interior room.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Could have easily been a bomb, no one on the other side of those doors knew. The shooting in such an instance sounds justified.
And considering that 2 explosive devices had already been found, what were the police to think?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)would be saying if she had been wearing a hijab under the same circumstances?
dware
(12,369 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)Wonder what was actually in the bag and why she was hell bent on pushing it through the
window.
Apollo Zeus
(251 posts)And were only a few feet away from the Chamber. Were warned and the moment she breaches the interior they fire.
First video is her being shot dead. I note that other Capital security officers are down range (behind her) where they could have been hit by bullets or frags.
Second video is the kid who helped push her in and who looks and sounds oddly similar to Kyle Rittenhouse. Allowed to walk away with blood literally on his hands:
Silent3
(15,210 posts)Im not better than that. My willingness to extend sympathy has limits.
idziak4ever1234
(1,257 posts)Walleye
(31,017 posts)A stain on our country. I also have sympathy for whoever shot her. Guess Im just a bleeding heart liberal
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Capitol.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Walleye
(31,017 posts)rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)The trump supporters are dangerous to our country
Walleye
(31,017 posts)JI7
(89,248 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)win stupid prizes
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)ecstatic
(32,701 posts)alongside armed thugs, I assume you understand the risks involved?
Aristus
(66,328 posts)It's not like they thought no one would get hurt; they were counting on it...
Response to Aristus (Reply #12)
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Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)armed men intent on stealing our democracy. Screw her.
I do feel bad that anybody is dumb enough to throw their life away on such a shit cause, but she made her choice. Good riddance.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Running into a political chamber threatening violence pretty much checks the boxes for getting yourself killed
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)It doesn't matter. She was violently breaking into the Speakers Lobby with an armed mob.
"Let's hear her out!"
Don't be so naive. These people want your blood.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)what the window-breakers were up to--for all they knew this person and her cohorts were coming to kill Congresspeople. Not sure she deserves too much pity when she's the one who decided to break and enter.
I misunderstood your point.
treestar
(82,383 posts)So how does this compare ?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Duh
dware
(12,369 posts)considering that 2 explosive devices were already found, what were the police to think?
I feel bad that she is dead, but that's on her.
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)I'm sad and pissed about the circumstances that led her there. But I'm not summoning much sympathy, if you storm the us capitol while congress is in session, you bought the ticket and need to be fully prepared to take the ride.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)keithsw
(436 posts)From doing something stupid. She was stupid. I take no joy in stating it, just the facts
tinrobot
(10,895 posts)I don't think any death should be celebrated.
Frasier Balzov
(2,646 posts)Without reservation.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)You don't hang around in a mob like that if you have any intelligence. She was old enough to know, as was Kyle Rittenhouse.
The police inside the chamber with guns drawn showed them to the protestors.
If a mob is angrily breaking into a chamber with people you are sworn to protect, you don't pussyfoot around.
Do NOT forget that a militia had plotted to kidnap a Governor and kill state legislators. You don't expect the defenders in the chamber to read the minds of the mob and say oh it's okay, let them in, they are simply protesters.
oro
(88 posts)A skinny kid holding a boombox at a distance from police was shot pointblank in the forehead with a so-called rubber bullet and is probably permanently disabled. The roster of black and brown men and women horribly brutalized or killed protesting for the basic right to exist in the U.S. is long. This woman had invaded the sanctum of democracy. Medea Benjamin just stands up to speak and gets dragged off like an animal.
Interesting that with a choice of white rioters, the cops shot the woman.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That bag could have contained a bomb. I believe that is why she was shot.
Bettie
(16,100 posts)just no particular sympathy either.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)from people who claimed it's their fault they were shot because they "didn't comply with orders" or the cop "was in fear for his life" or "didn't know for sure he wasn't armed," I don't have any patience tonight with anyone trying to claim this woman was some kind of innocent victim.
Bettie
(16,100 posts)I have a similar lack of patience with that attitude and have pushed back against it myself.
Fact is, she was involved in an act of domestic terrorism and it was directed at our government for the purpose of disrupting certification of an election.
No sympathy, no patience. Not for this.
Plus, the capitol police were downright gentle with this group of assclowns.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And we know if these were Black or Brown people, there would have been dead bodies everywhere.
Bettie
(16,100 posts)many more had they been black or brown.
It is sickening and frustrating (that seems like a weak word for the feeling).
kcr
(15,315 posts)She went along with them. Shame on you.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,434 posts)kcr
(15,315 posts)You're right. They were busting in to give out hugs.
Go away.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Also their were videos of the police opening the gates and ushering them in. They never would have gotten as close as they did without help. This was planned and the capital police were complicit. See the gates opening and the selfies.
Trumpists intended to take members of Congress hostage, hold show trials, conduct executions
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Link to tweet
Link to tweet
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/6/2006463/-Insurrectionists-intended-to-take-members-of-Congress-hostage-hold-show-trials-as-police-stood-by
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)out.
kcr
(15,315 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,954 posts)... very sorry for any death or injury... hope there is no more.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)d_b
(7,463 posts)early 20's. Probably born into a freakshow family who filled her with hate and horror from the time she could crawl. And one day she went to DC at the behest of a shitty conman and now she's dead.
I feel only sadness for her.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Its really pathetic and sad.
obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)She was at least early 30s.
She knew exactly what she was doing and LOVED it. She constantly orgasmed all over her twitter how much she loved Trump and Q and violence.
The LEOs were protecting Congressional leadership, their own lives, and literally democracy.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Air Force vet.
d_b
(7,463 posts)And Ill admit... I dont feel the sadness I did yesterday. Just shaking my head.
Initech
(100,068 posts)AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 6, 2021, 09:52 PM - Edit history (1)
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UnderThisLaw
(318 posts)just more alive.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)No tweets, no so and so said. A Real News story with her name, age and what happened.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)She conspired with others to overthrow the govt. She was the one to pay the price. I bet trump hasn't even sent condolences.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But my feeling badly, or anyone feeling anything at all, changes nothing.
These visceral reactions you read rarely reflect on who we are... and in time, given both sober thought and genuflection, no one will be sincerely gleeful over her death. Indeed, I think that by Feb. the vast majority of DU will perceive her death as a tragedy in the most fundamental sense of the word.
Though a handful of posts will exploit this for their own narratives or self-validation, that number will be small. Don't mistake the current emotional confusion and visceral reactions in response to a day of unprecedented events to our eventual and collective response.
That said, for every knee-jerk reaction of 'glee' I read, I read ten more expressing sympathy over her and for her. I hope this soothes, or at least quiets your concern (and I write 'concern' sincerely rather than with sarcasm).
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)That being said, Im glad there are compassionate people out there like you. Im all out of it myself. At least for these people.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I can't get worked up about a white woman who got shot by the police while breaking into the Capitol to participate in a riot.
oro
(88 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)You are ok with the other.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But I'm not surprised you would say that.
However, unlike you, I see the difference between an epidemic of unarmed black men posing no threat to anyone being killed (often shot in the back and/or while running away) by white police officers on various public streets because they claim they were in fear of their lives on one hand, and, on the other, a white woman who was part of a violent terrorist mob who overwhelmed Capitol Police to illegally storm the U.S. Capitol being shot by law enforcement after as she tried to force her way into the Speaker's Lobby which would have put her steps away from the House chamber.
It's perfectly rational to be ok with one and not ok with the other. Which one you're ok with and which one you're not ok with is very telling.
irisblue
(32,971 posts)Source-https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Faulty-Comparison
snip-"Logical Form:
X is different from Y in way Z.
It is unreasonable to compare X to Y in way Z.
Therefore, X is seen as more/less favorable.
example given-"Broccoli has significantly less fat than the leading candy bar! Explanation: While both broccoli and candy bars can be considered snacks, comparing the two in terms of fat content and ignoring the significant difference in taste, leads to the false comparison."
Autumn
(45,067 posts)Neither of those two were with rioters climbing in through a broken window into the Capitol building while our politicians were in session doing the people business.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)for having questionable taste in boyfriends. Ahmaud Arbery didn't deserve to die for jogging in the "wrong" neighborhood. Sorry, but if you're trying to overthrow the peaceful transition of power and are taking part in a riot you have to deal with the consequences.
Autumn
(45,067 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)But suddenly its ok for the cops to shoot someone.
Autumn
(45,067 posts)shoot. I'm all outta fucks to give about stupid Republicans and Trump humpers.
treestar
(82,383 posts)But youd never condone the opposite. Lets not be hypocritical like they are.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)From what I understand it was the Secret Service that fired their weapon and they don't mess around when it comes to protecting elected officials.
Autumn
(45,067 posts)with a large duffel containing god knows what after there have been bombs found during their riot and ignores orders to stop I expect, no I hope, that law enforcement would shoot them. To not do so would be a dereliction of their duty. I don't have to worry about condoning the opposite. I'm not a hypocrite, I say exactly what I mean.
But you go on and do you.
David__77
(23,374 posts)I do not have glee about the killing of someone.
ginny skinny
(182 posts)...into the area where the police or security people were. I've read about eleventy-gazillion internet posts today and that was one. Let's wait for the real story to come out.
coti
(4,612 posts)against any of the insurrectionists, assuming the invasion involved a felony of some kind (which I have to think there were many) and that DC has a felony murder law.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)drmeow
(5,017 posts)had that maced woman claiming this is a revolution - in revolutions, the other side shoots at you and people die. She's just a casualty of her own choices.
I'm not feeling glee - but I'm also not feeling the outrage I feel about George Floyd and Brianna Taylor, etc.
She was a victim - but she was not an innocent victim.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)including sadly, the reaction to violence and collateral damage. Innocence is lost in trying to deny me my legal and just Government. Her blood is on Republican hands.
I think some of the glee is from many good and decent folk who have just had enough of Trump violence and are exhibiting a brave face while at the same time are horrified at what has happened to our country.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)What if that had been a bomb? The officer that shot her had no way of knowing. The shooting was justified.
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,298 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)I'm sure she wasn't expecting to die today..
JI7
(89,248 posts)than there is for Tamir Rice and many other black kids.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)she was told to stop and kept going...her duffle bag could have contained weapons or a bomb.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)Kumbaya that.
kcr
(15,315 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)R-I-P.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Her behavior was part of an aggressive mob action. Engage in that, then you accept the consequences.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... another example of bad law enforcement training. Or maybe one of her buddies did it?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)One of them did the right thing and shot her when she refused to stop. It would have been great if they had tazers instead, but her death is what it is and is on her and the parents who let a (by some accounts) get into the situation that she was in.
LuckyCharms
(17,425 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 7, 2021, 09:39 AM - Edit history (1)
respect them.
I generally do not like to see people get killed.
However, in these strange times, I wrestle with the fact that over 3,600 people died of Covid today. I would think that many of those people did not "deserve" to have that disease foisted on them, and to basically die in obscurity except to those who knew and loved them.
I feel more for innocent people who have been shot by police. I feel more for those who were killed for minor infractions.
I can't say for certain whether this young woman "deserved" to die or not, because "deserve" is subjective. But I do wonder about what in her background eventually lead to her stupidity and apparent complete lack of awareness about what might happen to her if she tried to stuff a duffle bag through a broken window with a mob, in order to get to members of a sitting congress.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)...this would be a candidate.
Moralizing & preachy.
I hear enough of that from the far right.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The woman was part of a violent mob. She was trying to stuff through a bag that could have easily contained a bomb. She was ordered to halt her activities and continued forward. She was no tall 11 year old innocently playing with a toy gun on a playground, who happened to turn in its direction when he heard a car approaching him.
obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)and this guy
and this guy
Fuck her.
BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)Once on the other side she would have opened the door for the other loons to enter. I'm glad she's dead. Sorry.
ginny skinny
(182 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,599 posts)StarryNite
(9,444 posts)She paid the ultimate price for her poor choice.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She was ordered to halt and withdraw, but she kept on coming forward. The bag could have contained a bomb that could have killed nearby officers and congresspeople. IMO, they had no choice, it was not like they started firing away, they ordered her to stop, she refused.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)She deserves the sympathy reserved for someone shot in that situation.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)have easily contained a bomb that could have killed or maimed Capitol Police, Secret Service and nearby congresspeople or staffers.
Screw her, she was doing a dangerous act, was ordered to retreat and refused to do so.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)That's exactly what your op is.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)Unfortunate that she was pushing a duffel bag through a broken window while a cop was pointing a gun. Bad choice.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)eom
dware
(12,369 posts)she was shot by the Capitol Police and MPD is doing the investigation of the shooting.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)Zero sympathy given.
dware
(12,369 posts)She decided, for whatever reason, to commit treason by storming the Capitol and refused the orders by police to not come through that broken window, she choose instead to ignore the order and try to make her way into the chambers where lawmakers were sheltering.
She choose badly.
Zero sympathy's here also.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)She definitely didnt need to dir. But she broke into the capitol and was trespassing. Seems to me many of those people support the right to shoot trespassers.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)and was trying to climb through. I read that explosive devices were found in the Capitol today. We are about two weeks away from a guy setting off a bomb in an American city. What were the Capitol Police or Secret Service agents supposed to think given her actions, the circumstances of today and the fact that a guy recently set off a bomb? Were they supposed to not stop her and maybe let her set off a bomb that would have likely killed people in such close space?
Screw her. Her death is on her hands and the hands of the people that got her into the situation that she was in.
dware
(12,369 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)That's why I said I don't know if she deserved to die. The OP said that she didn't deserve to die. But Ya'know trespassing and being a party to putting our capitol under siege seems like a pretty damned good way to put yourself in harms way.
My comment about her not having to die is that she could have made a better choice in life. I would have no problem with this person standing outside the capitol exercising her 1st amendment. But she decided to go way past that line and only has herself to blame. Unfortunately.
mcar
(42,307 posts)She was a terrorist. Period.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)...you know the rest.
mcar
(42,307 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)but I can't find it in myself to give a shit.
hatrack
(59,584 posts)Their deaths are attributable, in large measure, to an incompetent, selfish, stupid, narcissistic asshole currently occupying the Oval Office.
It was in His Holy Name that she decided to go do Call Of Duty cosplay at the US Capitol.
And . . . . (quick check) handkerchief still in pocket.
treestar
(82,383 posts)BLM. ( not that they would do any such thing ). Wed be furious. If BLM had stormed the Capitol the same way (not that they ever would) wed be cheering them on. Do we have to be hypocritical like they are?
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)I'm actually horrified at myself for my own lack of empathy.
I do not know this person or exactly what happened.
It's tragic no matter if it was a justified shooting or not. Trump and his enablers did this. He stoked the hate and the violence.
He might not have created these monsters, but he coaxed them out from under the beds.
JI7
(89,248 posts)roads and causing traffic .
Turin_C3PO
(13,978 posts)No one here would support BLM storming the Capitol building. Thats both sides bullshit and you know it. This woman got what she deserved.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)white privilege works. They shoot black people. They open the door for white people.
kcr
(15,315 posts)in your attempt to make an analogy work, it doesn't work, and your claim of hypocrisy is more than a little weak.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)BLM doesn't break into government buildings when they make a display in them, they get the keys.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)I have NO sympathy for her traitorous ass. Play stupid games win stupid fucking prizes.
She decided to become a terrorist. Her death didn't just "happen." She earned it.
sir pball
(4,741 posts)Do U?
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)The shooting was absolutely justified.
NNadir
(33,516 posts)...selling cigarettes, it is perfectly OK to shoot a woman carrying a back pack and kicking in a window.
There can be no sympathy for this criminal.
greyl
(22,990 posts)tblue37
(65,340 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)She played with fire and got burnt!
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)What I saw were people on this site who were concerned that the woman could have had a pack loaded with explosives or anything else dangerous and perhaps didn't obey strict orders to stay where she was. I saw people posting that it was too bad she was shot, but security needed to protect people in Congress who were being attacked by those intruders/terrorists.
Was security supposed to take a chance that she was breaking in to shake hands and give hugs to the people in Congress, or were they there to protect the lives of the people they were hired to protect? It's a shame someone was killed, but that woman put her life in the hands of Trump, followed his orders to go to DC to participate in the violence, and followed Giuliani's suggestion to "combat" the people in Congress.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)Response to Lunabell (Original post)
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AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)She doesn't have to draw a gun to be shot.
bif
(22,697 posts)Victory at Yorktown
(35 posts)Shoving a duffle bag thru a door that could have had an explosive device not enough?
That was the last line of defense. No one should have been allowed within 20 feet of the steps outside.
obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)As well as everyone else she was with at the door.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)they committed a felony which resulted in her death. thats how felony murder works
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)they please whenever they please. God forbid stopping these maniacs from destroying our capital.
This is a disturbing post.
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)She participated in a heinous crime. Shit happens when you do that.
marie999
(3,334 posts)It was an insurrection. She died trying to overthrow our government.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)when you crawl in a window with the speaker 100 feet away...what do you expect.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)slutticus
(3,428 posts)At what point between the entrance to the people's House and the VP/Speaker/Reps do you believe deadly force should be used to stop an insurrectionist mob shouting "hang the VP", one of which is climbing onto an obvious last-ditch barricade who happens to be wearing a backpack with unknown contents. All while ignoring the several police and Secret Service agents pointing their service weapons at the mob saying "get back"?
The fact that she got shot while the police were exercising the most unbelievable amount of restraint anyone has ever witnessed relative to the magnitude of the situation should tell you something.
I mean come on.... This isn't glee. It's just "WTF"