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Is Trump going ahead with the order to not only immediately de-commission . . . but dismantle / destroy the ONLY airplanes capable of monitoring Russia from the air? Just asking.
Who gave the DOTARD this idea? Inquiring minds want to know? Are there any tapes of the conversation? Might be time to leak them!
Perhaps it was the same handlers who had him:
Spew Russian dis-information, that they entered Afghanistan to fight terrorism.
That Montenegro is not trustworthy and is aggressive with their neighbors. For info on this specific very questionable / treasonous action, look at:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/19/very-aggressive-trump-suggests-montenegro-could-cause-world-war-three
At the time, Republican leader senator John McCain, who has called that summit with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki a tragic mistake, said Trump was doing exactly what the Russian strongman wanted.
The people of Montenegro boldly withstood pressure from Putins Russia to embrace democracy, McCain said on Twitter.
The Senate voted 97-2 supporting its accession to NATO. By attacking Montenegro and questioning our obligations under NATO, the President is playing right into Putins hands.
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mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Just curious.
The3rdTimeIsCharmed
(20 posts)There is an agreement that they will not mess with unarmed planes flying overhead (and we will not interfere with theirs).
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Whole thing seems pretty fkcing sketch.
marybourg
(12,657 posts)Old article linked.
samnsara
(17,684 posts)marybourg
(12,657 posts)maxsolomon
(33,516 posts)NT
marybourg
(12,657 posts)maxsolomon
(33,516 posts)marybourg
(12,657 posts)much, at least I got to read enough to make the OP comprehensible. I realize I did read this a while back, but havent heard anything about it since. Apparently what remains of our government doesnt seem to think its too important.
Brother Buzz
(36,527 posts)Thanks to the orange anus
Scuttlebutt is the planes have been ordered to be torn up and scrapped so Biden can't immediately undo the damage.
The3rdTimeIsCharmed
(20 posts)With the recent attempt to use the holiday season to pull the curtain down on what is going on at the Pentagon . . . the dismantling of planes with technology that can not be easily re-created is alarming. No?
crickets
(26,010 posts)Keep American Skies Open to Russia: The Trump administration is poised to kill another useful treaty that contributes to trans-Atlantic peace (interesting op-ed about how the treaty came about and why we should keep it)
https://newrepublic.com/article/155583/keep-american-open-skies-trump-russia
The Open Skies Treaty is not without its warts or disputes. The Obama administration locked horns with Moscow over Russias compliance and bad-faith challenges to U.S. operations under the accord. But those disputes were largely resolved in open multilateral discussions, and the lingering challenges arent fixed by steamrolling an unprecedented military-transparency regime, Bolton-style. The fact is that the Open Skies concept, and its application in recent years, vindicates the continued relevance of arms control for our national security, as one State Department official put it in 2014.
The Importance of the Open Skies Treaty - Nov 2019
https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110262/witnesses/HHRG-116-FA14-Wstate-WoolfA-20191119.pdf
Foreign Affairs hearing re the allowed planes/equipment; includes the usual Congressional bellyaching about costs.
kentuck
(111,111 posts)....it does appear.
Wounded Bear
(58,852 posts)Have to stay in Putin's good graces for that.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)bdamomma
(64,019 posts)tRump has our country on it's knees.
Putin that POS congratulating Biden on the Presidency, Putin is a snake he got what he want for tRump, and he got his revenge on America. with not a bomb dropped.
Horrible. We are so screwed, our national security has been compromised.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)EX500rider
(10,903 posts)...unarmed plane with infrared line scanner, synthetic aperture radar and video scanning sensors.
Wouldn't even take long as most that stuff will be off the shelve, the originals plane are quite old at over 60 years and definitely due for replacement.
The3rdTimeIsCharmed
(20 posts)If the Treaty is not re-negotiated, then the new planes would not be allowed to fly as our (and NATO) "eyes". RELYING ON SATELLITES is a mixed bag, given the satellite killing options now out there (possessed by China as well).
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EX500rider
(10,903 posts)And the latest Keyhole sats can see more then that plane can.
A perfect 2.4 m mirror observing in the visual (i.e. at a wavelength of 500 nm) has a diffraction limited resolution of around 0.05 arcsec, which from an orbital altitude of 250 km corresponds to a ground sample distance of 0.06 m (6 cm, 2.4 inches). Operational resolution should be worse due to effects of the atmospheric turbulence.[36] Astronomer Clifford Stoll estimates that such a telescope could resolve up to "a couple inches"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11_Kennen#Resolution_and_ground_sample_distance
sarisataka
(19,060 posts)Earlier this year people were losing their minds when a Russian plane flew over our bases under the Open Skies Treaty. There was no need, it was said, for such flights since we have satellites.
Now these planes are the ONLY way to monitor Russia.
The3rdTimeIsCharmed
(20 posts)The post said:
"...Dismantling the ONLY airplanes capable of monitoring Russia "
NOT . . . THAT . . . as you, miss stated . . . "planes are the ONLY way to monitor Russia".
That would be the case, if (and when) satellite killing technology knocked out our satellite capabilities.
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sarisataka
(19,060 posts)P-8s or JSTARS could also perform the mission.
I would also suggest that if we and the Russians are taking out each other's satellites, the state of relations would mean open overflights will not be permitted by either country.
Although the justification for withdrawing from the treaty was Russia was restricting our flights, it is extremely shortsighted to completely abandon what has been a successful monitoring program.