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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,304 posts)
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:19 PM Dec 2020

US economy: Trump will leave office with a historically bad economic record

Donald Trump still can't accept the numbers measuring his loss to Joe Biden: more than 7 million popular votes and 74 electoral votes.

But another set of numbers adds insult to his psychological injury. They show that -- notwithstanding lies as promiscuous as the ones he tells about election fraud -- Trump will leave office in January with a historically bad record on the economy.

That sounds discordant since many Americans believe the economic fable that Trump has repeated relentlessly throughout his term. But placing his bottom-line results alongside those of his predecessors paints a deeply unflattering portrait.

Alone among the 13 presidents since World War Two, Trump will exit the White House with fewer Americans employed than when he started. He will have overseen punier growth in economic output than any of the previous 12 presidents.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-economy-trump-will-leave-office-with-a-historically-bad-economic-record/ar-BB1bTlcX?ocid=DELLDHP&li=BBnb7Kz

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US economy: Trump will leave office with a historically bad economic record (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 OP
300,000 + dead and "so much winning" Botany Dec 2020 #1
Nobody to blame but himself. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2020 #2
Is it astounding that this isn't common knowledge? BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #3
Tell us something we don't know! sakabatou Dec 2020 #4
Even at the peak of the Trump economy, his record was less than median of the Post WWII Presidents progree Dec 2020 #5
Kicking and Bookmarking! smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #6
Yes, but the stock market! tclambert Dec 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author tclambert Dec 2020 #8
Rethugs, by design, always leave us with a moral and economic train wreck to clean up. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2020 #9

OAITW r.2.0

(24,679 posts)
2. Nobody to blame but himself.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 04:43 PM
Dec 2020

He was in charge when the 1st warnings on Covid were sounded. He chose to ignore the science and use it as an opportunity to bash Democrats. So he will leave office killing 300,000 Americans and crippling our economy. That ain't no hoax, Donald.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
3. Is it astounding that this isn't common knowledge?
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 01:18 PM
Dec 2020

Or at least fairly well known by anyone with a passing interest? It's pretty much the only leg left on the stool he stands on.

progree

(10,925 posts)
5. Even at the peak of the Trump economy, his record was less than median of the Post WWII Presidents
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 01:49 PM
Dec 2020
Job Creation of record of post-WWII Presidents, Average Annual % Increases :

THE BELOW WAS CREATED IN EARLY FEBRUARY AT NEAR THE PEAK OF THE PRE-COVID ECONOMY. Even so, it shows that Trump was a less-than-median job creator even at his high point. Now, according to the latest jobs report that came out December 4, Trump has lost 2.998 Million jobs since January 2017 when Obama left office, which comes to 65,000 jobs lost per month during these 46 months. This of course, puts Trump last in the table as the only post WW-II loser

(Sorted from best to worst by average annual percentage increase in jobs. Republicans in red, Democrats in blue.)

Notice that -- with the tiny exception (0.2% difference) of Nixon to Kennedy -- the worst Democrat has a better record than the best Republican -- that is, until Obama, who inherited an economy that was losing several hundred thousand jobs a month And actually, Kennedy did not have a chance to complete his term -- had he done so, and had he had the same job creation numbers in December 1963 through January 1965 as Johnson had (a 3.48%/year annualized rate of increase), he would have easily topped Nixon.

Post-WWII Presidents ranked by Average Annual Percentage Increase In Jobs (the last column):
. . (updated 2/7/20 after new jobs report released - it has revisions going back decades.)




THE ABOVE WAS CREATED IN EARLY FEBRUARY AT NEAR THE PEAK OF THE PRE-COVID ECONOMY. Even so, it shows that Trump was a less-than-median job creator even at his high point. Now, according to the latest jobs report that came out December 4, Trump has lost 2.998 Million jobs since January 2017 when Obama left office, which comes to 65,000 jobs lost per month during these 46 months. This of course, puts Trump last in the table as the only post WW-II loser

(Actually, the true jobs peak of the Trump economy was in February 2020 -- he gained another 251,000 jobs in February, which would make his 37 month record at the end of February 184,054 jobs/month, which comes to 1.52% average annual increase in jobs -- only trivially better than the 182,194 and 1.50% numbers shown in the table (which are at the end of January), and certainly doesn't affect his ranking from what is shown in the table).

Remember, Obama inherited the deepest recession since World War II, which lost 4.2 million jobs in the last 10 months of his predecessor, and in the last 3 months of his predecessor was losing 753,000 jobs a month. With that momentum, job losses continued for the first 13 months of the Obama presidency -- through February 2010 -- totalling 4.3 million jobs lost during those 13 months.

Anyway, despite the 4.3 million jobs lost in his first 13 months because of the Bush crash, Obama still beats 4 of the last 7 post-WWII Republican presidents (the count of 7 post-WWII Republican presidents includes Trump). Of these Republican presidents, only Nixon, Reagan, and Ford had better records than Obama, and Ford only edged him out by 0.01 percentage points.

In the above table, the average annual % increase in jobs (the last column) is a much fairer way to compare presidents than just the raw job creation figures in thousands because the latter is unfair to the earlier presidents who were working with much smaller labor forces to begin with. For example the number of job holders at the beginning of Truman's administration was only 38% as many as at the beginning of Clinton's administration, and 31% as many as at the beginning of G.W. Bush's administration. So Truman's pathetic-looking 93,570 jobs/month creation record turns out to be even better than Clinton's 238,521 jobs/month record when adjusted for the size of the labor force at the beginning of their terms.

In raw thousands of jobs created per year, both Reagan and Nixon beat Truman. But when adjusted for the size of the labor force -- again, by looking at average annual percentage increases in jobs -- Truman beats them both.

Official sources of information for the above:

# Payroll Jobs: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
# Monthly change of above: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
# . . Hint: to see both of the above two together on the same page, go to http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001 and click on the "More Formatting Options" link in the upper right and check the "Original Data Value" and the "1-Month Net Change" checkboxes and click the "Retrieve Data" button halfway down the page on the left

The United States Unemployment Rate. Every Time The Democrats Fix It, The Republicans F*CK It Up (1960-2016)

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
7. Yes, but the stock market!
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 10:52 PM
Dec 2020

A lot of economic illiterates like Trump think the stock market represents the economy. It mostly reflects the wishful thinking of rich people. It really disconnected from the economy during this pandemic.

To his dying day (which will occur in prison somewhere, I'm sure), Trump will boast about how well the stock market did during his administration.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,497 posts)
9. Rethugs, by design, always leave us with a moral and economic train wreck to clean up.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 04:22 AM
Dec 2020

It's all part of their grand plan to slowly gnaw at the foundations of government and destroy our citizen's confidence in politics.

Trump will go down as leaving one of the worst hangovers of any, considering an out of control pandemic, demolished diplomatic corps, damaged treaties and regulatory environment, a failed tax bill that has yet to explode and a nation far more socially and culturally divided than when he started.

Historians will have to decide whether he, Reagan or W is the worst long-term although in my amateur opinion....

* Reagan arguably the worst on the economy,
* W undoubtedly the worst in number of people around the globe who suffered and died...
* Trump undoubtedly the worst in destruction of the social, ethical and moral fabric of our nation.

KY rant done......

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