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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: Conservatives Have Been Planning This Legislative Coup Since Feb. 2020
This just in from Jennifer Cohn, Election security advocate & writer; attorney;
Link to tweet
@JamieMCorey 1/5
Nelson, who runs... (ALEC) & is a member of CNP, told the group [in February], obviously we all want...Trump to win...But its very clear..that really what it comes down to is the states & the state legislators. 2/5
I and others have been sounding the alarm about the CNP for years. I wrote this on Medium. The CNP is a frightening & stealth group, an alliance between so-called religious freedom Religious Right leaders and so-called economic freedom billionaires. 3/5
Link to
@anelsona
s book, Shadow Network, about the CNP. 4/5
I first heard about the CNP from
@amandablount2
who has some great threads on it. 5/5
Good thing its failed, but holy shit...
unblock
(52,392 posts)They planned to cry fraud all along, and they planned to make it all up.
SunSeeker
(51,751 posts)Every poll told them they'd lose in a fair election. The fraud fraud was always the game plan, to disenfranchise Dem voters before the election and disqualify Dem ballots after the election.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)They have recordings from the meetings. Its blatant attempt to overthrow the election.
RicROC
(1,204 posts)Philostopher
(4,465 posts)They've been planning it since February, working with conservative election lawyers ...
All that ALEC money ...
And what happened was the best they could do?
Don't get me wrong - I'm glad they looked like five monkeys romancing a football, in the end. But cripes. How utterly pathetic.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)The insiders knew how bad COVID would be and it would be damning to Trumps reelection bid.
justgamma
(3,667 posts)has been shouting fraud since 2015. He can't imagine people not buying his BS.
It's worth remembering he "won" an election he had been squawking about being "rigged".
AllaN01Bear
(18,569 posts)StClone
(11,690 posts)It should be seen as one of the leaders hell bent on U.S. Government overthrow and part of the new Confederacy. ALEC's attempt to "redo" the Civil War with their side winning this time.
jalan48
(13,903 posts)This is info from 2009 but it gives and idea who has been funding ALEC
For example, the foundations controlled by the billionaire Koch brothers gave ALEC over $200,000 in 2009. (The Claude R. Lambe Foundation, which Charles Koch, his wife and kids help run, donated $125,000 to ALEC. His own Charles G. Koch foundation kicked in an additional $75,000.) That $200k is before whatever is the undisclosed amount of membership "dues" paid by Koch Industries, which is run by Charles and David Koch. There is no public disclosure of annual gifts the company gives to take part in the one-stop shopping ALEC conventions provide to meet with legislators from every state about their wish list.
Is It Just a Koch thing?
No. Other right-wing foundations have also supported ALEC, far beyond the "dues" paid by any legislator. For example, the Castle Rock Foundation, which is run by right-wing beer heir Peter Coors, gave $50,000 last year and in prior years. The right-wing John M. Olin foundation has also been a donor to ALEC. Another of the big right-wing foundations, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, has been a funder and, for example, gave ALEC $50,000 in 2009 to fund "budget reform" work. Similarly, right-winger Richard Scaife has given ALEC over half a million dollars the past decade or so, through his Allegheny Foundation. Some of the organizations that support ALEC, like Scaife's, are also deeply invested in the profits of corporations that sit on ALEC's board. The Allegheny Foundation has held over $11 million of ALEC board member Altria's stock, along with major stock holdings in other ALEC corporate board members like Kraft, Coca Cola, AT&T, GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson & Johnson, and Exxon.
Many global corporations and trade associations. ALEC claims to have over 300 corporate "members," and each pay between $7,000 and $25,000 or more to be members, plus fees to have a vote on a task force and for other sponsorships. The names of all of these entities is not known. We do know that the American Petroleum Institute, a trade group that aids the largest companies in the world like Koch and Exxon, gave ALEC $50,000 last year. And, as GreenPeace has documented through public filings, the Exxon corporation and its foundation have given a combined total to ALEC in the past decade or so of over $1.4 million. Other current ALEC corporate leaders have given an undisclosed sum to ALEC this year and before.
These companies include: CenterPoint 360 (a firm that helps companies "manage legislation" , Altria (formerly Phillip Morris tobacco), the American Bail Coalition (the trade group for for-profit bail bonds), AT&T, Bayer (aspirin), Coca-Cola, Diageo (Crown Royal and other liquor), Energy Future Holdings (Texas electricity), ExxonMobil, GlaxoSmithKline (Tums and other brands), Intuit (Quickbooks), Johnson & Johnson (lotion), Koch Industries (Georgia Pacific paper products and other brands), Kraft Food (Macaroni and Cheese dinners), Peabody Energy (the largest private coal company in the world), Pfizer (Viagra), PhRMA (the pharmaceutical trade group), Reed Elsevier (Lexis/Nexis legal research), Reynolds American (tobacco), Salt River Project (energy), State Farm Insurance, United Parcel Service, and Wal-Mart (world's largest retailer).
https://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/07/10887/cmd-special-report-alecs-funding-and-spending
bucolic_frolic
(43,382 posts)to invalidate voters' franchise in a democracy?
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)A frightening number of these people have been working with and for Trump.....
https://extranewsfeed.com/americas-taliban-the-council-for-national-policy-to-which-kellyanne-bannon-the-devos-family-7465f1754ca4
stillcool
(32,626 posts)so much info I've been glossing over for years, but now it reads so differently.
25. Weyrich was also a member of the Kriegel Institute for Freedom and Democracy in Russia. In 2000, he attended the World Russia Forum, with then Senator Sessions and Senator Grassley (among others). http://thegopwatchdog.com/from-russia-with-love/
26. Weyrich bemoaned the Bush/Cheney administrations failure to draw closer to Russia http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/weyrich_paul/
58Sunliner
(4,419 posts)HUAJIAO
(2,405 posts)But just look at that list of fascists..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_for_National_Policy
Members of the CNP have included: General John Singlaub, shipping magnate J. Peter Grace, Edwin J. Feulner Jr of the Heritage Foundation, Rev. Pat Robertson of the Christian Broadcasting Network, Jerry Falwell, U.S. Senator Trent Lott, Southern Baptist Convention activists and retired Texas Court of Appeals Judge Paul Pressler, lawyer and paleoconservative activist Michael Peroutka,[8] Reverend Paige Patterson,[9] Senator Don Nickles, former United States Attorneys General Edwin Meese and John Ashcroft, gun-rights activist Larry Pratt, Col. Oliver North, Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway, philanthropist Elsa Prince (mother of Blackwater founder and former CEO Erik Prince and Trump Administration Secretary of Education Betsy Devos), Leonard Leo,[10] Virginia Thomas (wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas),[10] and former California State Assemblyman Steve Baldwin.[11]
erronis
(15,390 posts)Anyone ever notice that the real people, the workers who just have to earn a paycheck to survive, are never invited to these cabals?
This ain't any form of democracy or free speech. It's a way to try to overturn those concepts.
Citizen United, my ass.
DSandra
(999 posts)Treason, and an attempted coup.
The party leaders should be arrested and the party dissolved at this point.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)dalton99a
(81,648 posts)It's clear as day
kairos12
(12,884 posts)They are fascists.
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)"History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme" Sort of sounds like something Twain might have said
Anybody remember a fella by the name of Smedley Butler? If you do, then this current attempt at a coup should seem sort of familiar, if you don't, look him up, a true American hero.
erronis
(15,390 posts)But it never hurts to mention those that were heroes. We need some right now.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)They're always thinking ahead.
They've known for a long time that there was no way Trump could win a fair election in 2020. Disgusting.
Lonestarblue
(10,117 posts)How on earth do we combat this?
NRaleighLiberal
(60,027 posts)Fla Dem
(23,806 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)When Cuomo comes in he should indict every fucking one of them.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)Treason is selling your country out to a foreign power.
Sedition is inciting discontent or rebellion against a government.
Racketeering is organized criminal activity. Interfering with an election is criminal activity.
TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)There probably isn't a word more misused on DU than "treason". No declared enemy, no active hostilities.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Harker
(14,062 posts)who would investigate Trumpsky?
These traitors won't likely go to jail, let alone go up against a cold stone wall.
They'll be back.
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Cha
(297,829 posts)by so many people & the SC & Fed & State Judges siding with Democracy for it to work.
Is it any wonder trump did exactly what he wanted.. selling America & her People OUT.. because he thought he would fucking Cheat like he Always does & WIN Anyway!!!!
erronis
(15,390 posts)for years. They'll keep on trying.
Until they are severely punished for their misdeeds. And probably even after that.
Cha
(297,829 posts)punished severely somehow!
kurtcagle
(1,604 posts)If anyone is wondering what Trump's game plan is:
Adolf Hitler is sentenced for his role in the Beer Hall Putsch of November 8, 1923. The attempted coup in Munich by right-wing members of the army and the Nazi Party was foiled by the government, and Hitler was charged with high treason. Despite his conviction, Hitler was out of jail before the end of the year, with his political position stronger than ever.
Germany was in the midst of a national crisis in the early 1920s. After World War I, its economy was in shambles, and hyperinflation caused widespread discontent. Hitler and the Nazis stepped into this breach with often-racist demagoguery that attracted a significant following throughout the nation.
The failed coup turned out to be quite a boon for Adolf Hitler. His trial brought him more attention and publicity than ever before. With a crowd of thousands-including press from around the world-watching the proceedings, Hitler made the most of this opportunity by going on the offensive.
Taking every chance to turn the subject away from the putsch itself, Hitler frequently made speeches about Germanys postwar plight. He blamed the Jews, Marxism, and France for all of the countrys problems, repeatedly returning to his theme of hypernationalism. The conservative-leaning judges did nothing to stop Hitler or keep the focus on the attempted coup. The prosecutors, who had been threatened by Hitlers student followers, shrank from challenging the defendant.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/beer-hall-putsch-secures-hitlers-rise-to-power
When narcissists are exposed as the frauds that they are, they frequently employ the technique of making themselves the prosecuted martyr. Hitler took advantage of that status to convince German financiers and businesses that he would grant them exceptional access once he regained power. I'm not sure that Trump expected to lose by February - I believe he would taken a different path if he had truly comprehended how severe the pandemic was going to be, but he let the short term opportunity to profit from the virus take away from the longer term view that had he played his cards right, he could have easily skated into a second term, at which point he would have likely neutered Congress and the Courts and become President for Life.
Trump's biggest failing is that he's fundamentally greedy, which means he concentrates on the immediate short term profit even if it means disadvantaging himself down the road. As such he keeps undercutting himself.
58Sunliner
(4,419 posts)c-rational
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attack using all means and guerrilla tactics like they use.
tirebiter
(2,539 posts)Leave the apes alone.
c-rational
(2,596 posts)bringthePaine
(1,736 posts)or leniency when meting justice for every single one of the seditious Republican traitors, as well as
all foreign agents and agencies joined in their cause; this requires the harshest punishments and
banishments we can bring to bear, with no harbor of mercy - the twisted insurrectionist gorgon must be sundered, its resources co-opted, its minions burdened with ruin, even as the phoenix of democracy rises anew, restoring promise of a fair, democratic future hard-won by true hearts
lastlib
(23,339 posts)Democracy is at stake!
LessAspin
(1,156 posts)Of course Roger Stone has been stealing elections since 1972.
And 'Stop the Steal' began in 2015..
'Stop the Steal' campaign has long ties to Roger Stone
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)niyad
(113,638 posts)Aussie105
(5,454 posts)We can't win the next election in 2020 fairly, because Trump has done nothing remotely useful, so we got to cheat!
After all, we have a birthright to the power and money that comes with the 'R' brand, right? So cheating is ok!
Honestly though, Democrats caught on, and are now immune to the barbs fired out, the ones that started with birtherism and Pizzagate, and besides, they are all out of barbs to throw at Democrats to see which stick.
Republicans are firing legal blanks, and Trump is doing his 'not fair, you are making me sulk!' act.
In disarray, the Repugs are, time to hit them hard with big words like 'sedition', 'traitors', 'un-American activities', 'fascists under the bed' etc - make them squirm!
KatK
(186 posts)We need a petition to expel from the House the 106 seditious Republican collaborators. And prosecute them for sedition.
We need a petition to prosecute all active conspirators, including GOP, ALEC and the CNP.
We also need a huge movement (social media, ads, etc.) telling people to phone their elected representatives and tell them, "We must not tolerate sedition in any form."
Bobstandard
(1,329 posts)But Leon Panetta was an Obama appointment, competent, forward looking. So of course we ignored his warnings and spent our money on, well, Im not sure where all that defense money has gone. But were sure being beaten in cyberspace as anybody but a Trumpist can plainly see.
Hekate
(90,896 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,785 posts)Volaris
(10,275 posts)Takket
(21,649 posts)LOL Sorry i couldn't say that with a straight face..........
58Sunliner
(4,419 posts)Seditious shits.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Oh wait. Facts don't matter to them.
JudyM
(29,294 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,499 posts)cp
(6,673 posts)Thank you. Sent to some of my friends. Wow.
We've lived this in Wisconsin.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)see if she is involved in this plot.
ALEC has been an insidious, powerful anti-democratic presence in AZ state government for many years, and Kelli Ward appears to fit the CNP profile perfectly.
12/11/2020
Arizona Republican Party chairwoman Kelli Ward will appeal a lawsuit alleging voter fraud and attempting to overturn the states election results to the U.S. Supreme Court, the chairwoman said Friday, marking the third Republican-led challenge to President-elect Joe Bidens win that the court will weigh in on as the Electoral College vote rapidly approaches.
snip----
The GOP chairs lawsuit was struck down in both Arizonas Superior Court and Supreme Court, with the state Supreme Court finding Wards case did not provide any evidence of misconduct or illegal votes or establish any degree of fraud or a sufficient error rate that would undermine the certainty of the election results.
In her petition to the U.S. Supreme Court, Ward alleged the lower courts did not give Republicans enough time to inspect ballots and prove uncounted or flipped votes for Trump because they wanted to resolve the case by the safe harbor deadline on Dec. 8 and when the Electoral College meets Dec. 14.
Ward is asking the Supreme Court to declare that the safe harbor deadline, which ensures states election totals cannot be challenged by Congress if submitted by that date, and Electoral College vote are unconstitutional restrictions for resolving election disputes in state court, and to send the case back to the lower courts with enough time for Ward to inspect the ballots as she wants.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/11/arizona-gop-chair-takes-voter-fraud-lawsuit-to-supreme-court/?sh=29728c314cea
JHB
(37,163 posts)...that are answerable only to their funders and are not interested in democracy nor the nation as a whole. They want their agenda, and they will bully, bulldozer, lie, cheat, and steal to get it.
Why do you think they back Trump? Except for his manners, he's their perfect guy.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)judy
(1,942 posts)These people are extremists. "Conservative" means you respect tradition and want to "conserve" it.
I don't see anything conservative about people asking to install a dictator instead of respecting the will of the voters.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)I think the term "regressives" suits them very well.
judy
(1,942 posts)with a little hint of White Supremacy...gag...
Bettie
(16,133 posts)next time, they will have refined their processes.
Kid Berwyn
(15,005 posts)Its not like treason.
It IS treason.
dawg
(10,624 posts)There's no other plausible explanation. They needed Trump to be ahead based on same-day vote totals in order to set up their narrative that the election was "stolen" from him. It's pretty easy to be ahead when you count Republican votes first.
usaf-vet
(6,221 posts)Bush v Gore. That the repugs have been of one mind and focused on one-party dominance, there have been a few setbacks, the Obama years, the 2018 Democratic win to take over the house to mention two key points... BUT they have never given up their long term goal of total power in their hands.
The thief of the POTUS in 2016, with the help of Russian interference with voting, put them at a point of seeing the light at the end of their devious tunnel. I believe that they believed that tRump in 2020 would cap the success of their long term goal. One-party rule with no chance of ever again losing control of the three branches of government.
I have no doubt the tRump believed the FIX was in for 2020 just as it was for 2016. His handlers and IMHO he has them given that he alone could not have thought of and pull off the maneuvers that moved levers of power that we have seen in his term.
tRump, not unlike G.W.Bush was a POTUS in name only. W had and demonstrated some of his own independence that, in small ways, benefited Americans. tRump, on the other hand, was and is only interested in grifting to enrich himself personally. He does not and will never give a SHIT about everyday Americans. He clearly is one greedy sick SOB. Who seeks power and money for his own interest. He is a user of people and will throw them under the bus when they no longer serve his interest.
IMHO I believe he is dragging out this post-election foolishness because, like any spoiled child, he has been told that he can take what is his without any repercussions.
tRump will continue until there is ONLY one POTUS with the power to order the disruption to stop that tRump is inflicting on our democracy.
Let's all hope that there exists the will to confront tRump and his enablers to make it stop no matter what it takes to hold THEM accountable for their crimes.
Kahuna
(27,312 posts)with the help of his gop enablers and that they would be down with it.
orangecrush
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Dems must finally, at long last, go after these criminal organizations tooth and nail.
Don't think they've given up.
Trumps loss was just the beginning.
It has been proven that they cannot win in a democracy, and their next step is going to be to kill that democracy by every means at their disposal.
We are in a fight for our survival as a free nation, against concentrated wealth.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,392 posts)It was on DU back in October, too: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016275237
In February, they couldn't have said "states will be changing voting procedures", but they were presuming they'd be challenging the validity of the election. HuffPost in October got a quote:
ALEC official Bill Meierling told HuffPost in a statement that with new, rapidly developed voting plans, its no surprise state legislators would request action items, and information to ensure election security and ballot access, which Nelson provided.
He added: States and their state legislators ... have an obligation to ensure our nation has a free and fair election. He did not explain why ALEC was automatically preparing back in February to challenge a Trump loss or why a Trump defeat wouldnt constitute a free and fair election.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/alec-challenge-trump-loss-corporations_n_5f99cf20c5b61d63241ee6dd?ri18n=true
mdbl
(4,976 posts)Budi
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As a political insider, 1st Lady, Senator & Sec of State, & one who felt directly the blows leveled at her husband, her self, her country & her Party, she knew.
Blue Owl
(50,532 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)hands full for the next year and a half chasing down all the illegal shit the GOP has employed.
bluestarone
(17,087 posts)To have eyes and ears open, to do EVERYTHING possible to get the vote out AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. That's the ONLY way to stop these RUSSIAN RETHUGLICONS we have in the senate, and House. For our kids and Grandkids, it has to be stopped!