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Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:23 AM

There was fraud in the 2020 Presidential election

But it wasn't by the Democrats, it was done by Trump and the Republicans. We all have been wondering how the polls could be so wrong. Well Republican fraud closed the gap. What better way to cover-up your cheating, than to accuse your opponent of cheating. How did Trump get so many more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.

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Reply There was fraud in the 2020 Presidential election (Original post)
Coleman Dec 2020 OP
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #1
dalton99a Dec 2020 #4
Mike 03 Dec 2020 #5
MoonchildCA Dec 2020 #7
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #13
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #14
Chin music Dec 2020 #29
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #47
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2020 #46
Towlie Dec 2020 #15
ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2020 #2
Thomas Hurt Dec 2020 #3
KS Toronado Dec 2020 #31
Baitball Blogger Dec 2020 #6
Ilsa Dec 2020 #20
KPN Dec 2020 #26
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #23
global1 Dec 2020 #8
mopinko Dec 2020 #9
PatSeg Dec 2020 #10
mopinko Dec 2020 #11
PatSeg Dec 2020 #19
Captain Zero Dec 2020 #39
mopinko Dec 2020 #43
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #12
Towlie Dec 2020 #16
mountain grammy Dec 2020 #17
Yavin4 Dec 2020 #18
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #24
Yavin4 Dec 2020 #42
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #45
KG Dec 2020 #21
onecaliberal Dec 2020 #38
BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #22
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #25
BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #27
spooky3 Dec 2020 #36
BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #44
rainy Dec 2020 #28
onenote Dec 2020 #30
Tommymac Dec 2020 #34
Whiskeytide Dec 2020 #32
BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #33
Caliman73 Dec 2020 #35
liberalmuse Dec 2020 #37
LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #40
marieo1 Dec 2020 #41

Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

1. They blatantly tried to fuck up the Postal Service FFS ...

That's just scratching the surface of their attempts to cheat in 2020.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:29 AM

4. +1. There was prior planning and coordination.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:29 AM

5. That's a prime example though, maybe one of the best

because it involved the commission of felonies right out in the open, and there was no question about why.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:33 AM

7. Yes. I'm still wondering how many mail in ballots remain undelivered, sitting in boxes somewhere.

I remember on election night wondering if they were stealing Florida.
I also think, at the very least, votes were suppressed enough in Texas to keep us from winning there.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:29 PM

13. +1, IN .... PLAIN .... SITE .... TOO !!! They didn't give a fuck if everyone KNEW !!

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:32 PM

14. I kinda don't understand why there's not like 1M of us surrounding the WH with torches an pitchforks

by now, just based on what this fucker did before the election, and is now attempting to do (as he said he would all along).

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:33 AM

47. +1, to much normalization of treason

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:08 AM

46. When you have no fear of negative consequences for your malfeasance, why waste energy

on subterfuge?

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:36 PM

15. There was plenty of malfeasance but it was done to favor Trump.

 


... and it failed. It's probably best to not complain too much because any claim that the election wasn't 100% legitimate might be spun in Trump's favor.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

2. I found that odd too......

Must be the really stupid and gullible that came out for Trump.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:27 AM

3. I think the reason for that was that Trump is such a gigantic a hole that he polarized the people..

more in the last four years. In 2016 he was less of known quantity.

His corruption and demagoguery has inflamed people all along the political spectrum.

The results being a higher turnout on both sides.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:39 PM

31. Another reason could be voting machines without a paper trail.

republiCONs love to cheat!

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:30 AM

6. Makes me laugh because they weren't planning on Georgia and Stacey Abrams.

LOL!

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:04 PM

20. Stacey Abrams has been

the Founding Fathers, Abraham Lincoln, MLK, Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor all rolled into one Super-Patriot.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:18 PM

26. Wonderfully apt characterization.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:12 PM

23. +1, looks like they didn't account ballot box drop offs bypassing post office

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:38 AM

8. I've Said This From The Day After The Election That.....

if there was any fraud or funny business with the vote - that it was Trump and the Repugs that were behind it.

It's been Trump's MO all through the last 4 years - accuse the other side/person of what he is doing.

I could only imagine that the 106 Repugs that are backing this SCOTUS case - are partners in Trump's attempt to steal this election.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:42 AM

9. read a twitter thread yesterday about kentucky.

some super sketchy shit there.
how a guy w a 3%? i think, approval rating won needs looking into.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:46 AM

10. Oh yeah

Kentucky really looked fishy. If republicans didn't cheat, they wouldn't win hardly anything. Their voter suppression techniques are so in-your-face every election and they still get away with it.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:26 PM

11. time for that shit to end.

of course they protected that dried up old turtle. he's the keystone of this whole mess.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:57 PM

19. McConnell is the dastardly villain in

Saturday Morning cartoons, worse than Trump who is too inept and goofy to be an arch villain.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 02:11 PM

39. Exactly. Please read.

2 democratic counties with more votes than registered voters going in record numbers for MITCH.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 03:51 PM

43. yeah, iirc it was 2-3 sketchy counties.

and more machines than polling places.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:28 PM

12. "We all have been wondering how the polls could be so wrong" ***THANK YOU!!!*** No slogan made dems

... down ballot winning outside of MOE 5 days before Nov 4th lose.

That kind of polling would be horrid to no end and no other country puts up with polling that damn bad.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

16. Long lines in black areas on election day, supression of mail votes to favor COVID disbelievers...




It's like The Penguin accusing Batman of being a crook.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

17. Agree!

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

18. Trump's 2020 share of the popular vote outperforms his approval/disapproval rating by +3

Trump got 47% of the popular vote:

https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker

But his approval/disapproval rating has never been that high. Ever:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

For any poll, there are error ranges, but Trump always seems to be on the positive side of these error ranges.

If you're looking for fraud in this election, look on the Trump side.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:15 PM

24. +1, I've been saying for weeks there's no other country putting up with polling this bad or the...

... polling companies not screaming that there's something wrong.

Polling in the US stinks to high heaven ... or ... Republicans are cheating both can be try but I think the latter is more probable.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 02:42 PM

42. The polling is always bad in Trump's favor. That's the give away.

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Yes, polling is flawed. It's not 100%. There are error ranges, but for Trump, the "errors" are ALL in his favor. Always in his favor.

Has there ever been a state where the margin of error went AGAINST Trump? Where he lost by a bigger margin than what the polls said?

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 07:38 PM

45. +1

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:05 PM

21. he was spotted 5M votes still lost by 7m

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Response to KG (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 02:09 PM

38. I agree. They cheated in a big way and still lost. That's why he is losing his mind.

Dump is pathetic. We always know what he is doing by what he accuses us of doing. It's his tell.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:06 PM

22. Trump is flabbergasted

Because his flying monkeys did cheat enough to win. It was all done in plain sight - gutting the Post Office, removing drop boxes, reducing polling places - almost exclusively done in Democratic friendly areas. Of course they cheated - republicans always cheat.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:16 PM

25. +1, They didn't expect ballot box drop offs to bypass post office slow downs.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:20 PM

27. Yes!

And let’s not forget the deep cheats like gerrymandering districts.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:59 PM

36. Yes, but this would have affected only House of Rep

Races (plus any down ballots if they were also gerrymandered).

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 03:55 PM

44. Good point

But cheating is cheating.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:25 PM

28. The fact that Karl Rove was involved says all!!!

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:38 PM

30. So Christopher Krebs was lying?

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Response to onenote (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:57 PM

34. Krebs said that the vote was clean in the battleground states which had paper audit trails.

And all states that had verifiable paper trail audits.

Kentucky, FLA, etc. do not have machines that use paper audit trails afaik. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:43 PM

32. I think they fixed ...

... OH and FL because winning those two states has always won the presidency. That was Rove’s doing. You’ll note that he has been largely out of sight since the election. I don’t think he wants people investigating this election too closely, so he’s not really crowing about a “stolen election”.

They tried to fix PA and MI, but the mail in vote and the anti-Тяцмр vote overwhelmed their efforts in those states.

AZ and GA surprised the shit out of them. Their efforts to intervene in those two states were too late and they didn’t have the right people in the right positions to pull it off.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:50 PM

33. Nixon won Ohio and Florida in 1960.

Granted, that was 6 decades ago, but it shows that it can be done. I don't aim this at the OP at all, but part of supposed truisms like this are part of a (perhaps unconscious?) desire to streamline complex issues into more easily bitten-off chunks.

And "conventional wisdom" is born.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 01:58 PM

35. I agree. This is the same Republican playbook. Accuse your opponent of what you are doing.

Republicans have a number of dirty tricks some legal and some illegal, that they use to try to decrease the numbers of Democratic votes. Gerrymandering for state and federal representative races, voter suppression and disinformation for statewide and federal Senate and Presidential elections. They cheat regularly and like Rove in 2008, they can't believe when Democrats still win despite their cheating so they accuse us of cheating.

Notwithstanding the fact that our actual policies are supported by 75% of the population (if there is no D behind the policy). Republicans rely on emotion, lying, and grievance to motivate their base and create a sense of hopelessness in other voters. They also fund 3rd party runs to dilute the votes for Democratic candidates. They have a whole slate of dirty tricks.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 02:02 PM

37. They think the Democrats committed fraud

because the actual fraud committed by Republicans was rendered ineffective due to voter turnout. I guess in a nutshell, if the Republicans can't steal an election because their sabotaging the USPS, purging legitimate voters from the rolls, taking away ballot drop boxes, putting up fake ballot drop boxes, taking away poll locations from minority districts, etc, etc, etc was rendered ineffective due to a large number of eligible voters voting, then the election doesn't count to them. The entire party needs to be thrown into the crapper and flushed repeatedly until every last turd is gone.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 02:16 PM

40. I've been saying this for a month now, just sayin'

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 02:23 PM

41. Liars All!!!

I will never believe that rat, McConnell got elected again legitimately, and there are many others just like him. I can't believe DJT got as many votes legitimately as they claim he did. My question is: Is 1/2 of our population that brain dead? Or did something illegal happen here......makes one wonder!!

I also cannot understand why Reps are able to file all the election lawsuits - why is DJT as a lame duck president able to execute people, fire people, file election lawsuits and carry on the way he has been. Why does a lame duck president's have so much power. It should be in our constitution that after another president is elected the outgoing presidents powers should be very limited.

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