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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere was fraud in the 2020 Presidential election
But it wasn't by the Democrats, it was done by Trump and the Republicans. We all have been wondering how the polls could be so wrong. Well Republican fraud closed the gap. What better way to cover-up your cheating, than to accuse your opponent of cheating. How did Trump get so many more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)That's just scratching the surface of their attempts to cheat in 2020.
dalton99a
(81,486 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)because it involved the commission of felonies right out in the open, and there was no question about why.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)I remember on election night wondering if they were stealing Florida.
I also think, at the very least, votes were suppressed enough in Texas to keep us from winning there.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)by now, just based on what this fucker did before the election, and is now attempting to do (as he said he would all along).
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uponit7771
(90,339 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)on subterfuge?
Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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... and it failed. It's probably best to not complain too much because any claim that the election wasn't 100% legitimate might be spun in Trump's favor.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,785 posts)Must be the really stupid and gullible that came out for Trump.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)more in the last four years. In 2016 he was less of known quantity.
His corruption and demagoguery has inflamed people all along the political spectrum.
The results being a higher turnout on both sides.
KS Toronado
(17,235 posts)republiCONs love to cheat!
Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)LOL!
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)the Founding Fathers, Abraham Lincoln, MLK, Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor all rolled into one Super-Patriot.
KPN
(15,645 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)global1
(25,247 posts)if there was any fraud or funny business with the vote - that it was Trump and the Repugs that were behind it.
It's been Trump's MO all through the last 4 years - accuse the other side/person of what he is doing.
I could only imagine that the 106 Repugs that are backing this SCOTUS case - are partners in Trump's attempt to steal this election.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)some super sketchy shit there.
how a guy w a 3%? i think, approval rating won needs looking into.
Kentucky really looked fishy. If republicans didn't cheat, they wouldn't win hardly anything. Their voter suppression techniques are so in-your-face every election and they still get away with it.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)of course they protected that dried up old turtle. he's the keystone of this whole mess.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)Saturday Morning cartoons, worse than Trump who is too inept and goofy to be an arch villain.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)2 democratic counties with more votes than registered voters going in record numbers for MITCH.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)and more machines than polling places.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... down ballot winning outside of MOE 5 days before Nov 4th lose.
That kind of polling would be horrid to no end and no other country puts up with polling that damn bad.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)?
It's like The Penguin accusing Batman of being a crook.
mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Trump got 47% of the popular vote:
https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker
But his approval/disapproval rating has never been that high. Ever:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
For any poll, there are error ranges, but Trump always seems to be on the positive side of these error ranges.
If you're looking for fraud in this election, look on the Trump side.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... polling companies not screaming that there's something wrong.
Polling in the US stinks to high heaven ... or ... Republicans are cheating both can be try but I think the latter is more probable.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 11, 2020, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)
Yes, polling is flawed. It's not 100%. There are error ranges, but for Trump, the "errors" are ALL in his favor. Always in his favor.
Has there ever been a state where the margin of error went AGAINST Trump? Where he lost by a bigger margin than what the polls said?
KG
(28,751 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)Dump is pathetic. We always know what he is doing by what he accuses us of doing. It's his tell.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Because his flying monkeys did cheat enough to win. It was all done in plain sight - gutting the Post Office, removing drop boxes, reducing polling places - almost exclusively done in Democratic friendly areas. Of course they cheated - republicans always cheat.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)And lets not forget the deep cheats like gerrymandering districts.
spooky3
(34,452 posts)Races (plus any down ballots if they were also gerrymandered).
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)But cheating is cheating.
rainy
(6,091 posts)onenote
(42,703 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)And all states that had verifiable paper trail audits.
Kentucky, FLA, etc. do not have machines that use paper audit trails afaik. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... OH and FL because winning those two states has always won the presidency. That was Roves doing. Youll note that he has been largely out of sight since the election. I dont think he wants people investigating this election too closely, so hes not really crowing about a stolen election.
They tried to fix PA and MI, but the mail in vote and the anti-Тяцмр vote overwhelmed their efforts in those states.
AZ and GA surprised the shit out of them. Their efforts to intervene in those two states were too late and they didnt have the right people in the right positions to pull it off.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Granted, that was 6 decades ago, but it shows that it can be done. I don't aim this at the OP at all, but part of supposed truisms like this are part of a (perhaps unconscious?) desire to streamline complex issues into more easily bitten-off chunks.
And "conventional wisdom" is born.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)Republicans have a number of dirty tricks some legal and some illegal, that they use to try to decrease the numbers of Democratic votes. Gerrymandering for state and federal representative races, voter suppression and disinformation for statewide and federal Senate and Presidential elections. They cheat regularly and like Rove in 2008, they can't believe when Democrats still win despite their cheating so they accuse us of cheating.
Notwithstanding the fact that our actual policies are supported by 75% of the population (if there is no D behind the policy). Republicans rely on emotion, lying, and grievance to motivate their base and create a sense of hopelessness in other voters. They also fund 3rd party runs to dilute the votes for Democratic candidates. They have a whole slate of dirty tricks.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)because the actual fraud committed by Republicans was rendered ineffective due to voter turnout. I guess in a nutshell, if the Republicans can't steal an election because their sabotaging the USPS, purging legitimate voters from the rolls, taking away ballot drop boxes, putting up fake ballot drop boxes, taking away poll locations from minority districts, etc, etc, etc was rendered ineffective due to a large number of eligible voters voting, then the election doesn't count to them. The entire party needs to be thrown into the crapper and flushed repeatedly until every last turd is gone.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)marieo1
(1,402 posts)I will never believe that rat, McConnell got elected again legitimately, and there are many others just like him. I can't believe DJT got as many votes legitimately as they claim he did. My question is: Is 1/2 of our population that brain dead? Or did something illegal happen here......makes one wonder!!
I also cannot understand why Reps are able to file all the election lawsuits - why is DJT as a lame duck president able to execute people, fire people, file election lawsuits and carry on the way he has been. Why does a lame duck president's have so much power. It should be in our constitution that after another president is elected the outgoing presidents powers should be very limited.