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Gothmog

(145,563 posts)
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 11:55 AM Dec 2020

Trump may have undermined Texas's Hail Mary election lawsuit with a single tweet: law professor

The US Constitution allows lawsuits to be filed in the SCOTUS for lawsuits by one state against another state. The theory is that the SCOTUS is the only venue for the resolution of true disputes between the states. trump is underming the legal justification for Paxton's idiotic lawsuit by wanting to intervene



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nd according to University of Texas School of Law professor Stephen Vladeck, Trump may have further undermined an already-shaky case with a tweet that he posted on Wednesday morning.

Specifically, Trump tweeted that “we will be INTERVENING in the Texas case,” while also hyping up the Paxton lawsuit as “the big one.”

According to Vladeck, however, Trump intervening would harm the case’s chances of success.

“The central purpose of SCOTUS’s ‘original’ jurisdiction is for disputes between states that can’t be resolved elsewhere,” he explained. “Successful intervention by another party would prove that the dispute *could* be resolved elsewhere — and that there’s nothing unique about Texas’s claims.”
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Trump may have undermined Texas's Hail Mary election lawsuit with a single tweet: law professor (Original Post) Gothmog Dec 2020 OP
More than five weeks after election day . . . gratuitous Dec 2020 #1
Grifters Gotta Grift! FSogol Dec 2020 #2
You would think anybody with any sense would have filed patricia92243 Dec 2020 #4
Anybody with any sense would have gratuitous Dec 2020 #5
I thought that Repuks were States Rights. How can one state interfere with another's sovereignty? olegramps Dec 2020 #18
Cons believe in Relativity StClone Dec 2020 #22
That seems like bad reasoning Midnightwalk Dec 2020 #3
agree-- that was my thinking too LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #19
Wildly overstated conclusion. onenote Dec 2020 #6
It did seem like a rather grandiose conclusion based on Mike 03 Dec 2020 #7
Agreed. There's no fire behind this smoke. n/t Laelth Dec 2020 #8
Who is "we"? blueinredohio Dec 2020 #9
There were a lot of issues with this "hail mary" play cojoel Dec 2020 #10
"Backfield in motion, gonna have to penalize you" panader0 Dec 2020 #14
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Dec 2020 #28
Is there a penalty for it having been filed by someone who was indicted on three felony charges? LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #23
Trump keeps saying the quiet things OUT LOUD ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2020 #11
This is about a relevant as debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Jirel Dec 2020 #12
Not only is it dead on arrival, I doubt 5 SCOTUS judges want to keep him in power. KS Toronado Dec 2020 #16
Excellnt point! BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #25
Trump always makes things worse for Trump. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #13
One item on an incredibly short list of positives. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #26
K and R nt Stuart G Dec 2020 #15
Thanks for posting. k&r DesertRat Dec 2020 #17
He's musclecar6 Dec 2020 #20
He is beyond terrified at this point, isn't he? birdographer Dec 2020 #21
I'm very diappointed in Vladeck giving them a heads-up! BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #24
Paxon knows this is going to fail dv421 Dec 2020 #27
Successful intervention by another party would prove that the dispute *could* be resolved elsewhere Gothmog Dec 2020 #29

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. More than five weeks after election day . . .
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:03 PM
Dec 2020

Trump finally files "the big one" lawsuit against the results that have him losing by more than 7 million votes. He's really serious this time, boy!

patricia92243

(12,601 posts)
4. You would think anybody with any sense would have filed
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:16 PM
Dec 2020

"the big one" first. It would save having the whole nation snickering at you when you lost and lost and lost all of the "little ones,"

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Anybody with any sense would have
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:19 PM
Dec 2020

Which leaves us with Donald Trump and his "big one" filing. It's taken years, but I finally broke my attorneys of a bad habit in their legal briefs of the locution, "Finally, and most importantly . . . " If this is the most important point you have for your argument, put it FIRST. It's not a detective novel.

StClone

(11,686 posts)
22. Cons believe in Relativity
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 02:48 PM
Dec 2020

Whatever the circumstance calls for to support their schemes. States' Rights. Yes? Now No! They are governed by two forces: Power, money with rich white guys calling the shots.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
3. That seems like bad reasoning
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:05 PM
Dec 2020

The whole thing is nonsense, but that seems like lousy logic.

Some idiot (trump) tweeting about getting involved in the case would have nothing to do with whether it was legitimate.

If trump said he could take some action other than joining the case maybe that could have an effect, but only if that action was credible. “I’m going to hold my breath until they win” would not be credible, but I’d watch.

IANAL, and I think the suit is trash, but that reasoning seems weak.

onenote

(42,761 posts)
6. Wildly overstated conclusion.
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 12:28 PM
Dec 2020

First, tweeting that he or his campaign are going to intervene doesn't affect anything. The court will deal with an attempt to intervene if and when one actually is made.

Second, as the Supreme Court stated in 2010, it "has granted leave, under appropriate circumstances, for nonstate entities to intervene as parties in original actions between States for nearly 90 years." In other words, a request by a third party to intervene in a state v. state original jurisdiction case will not cause the Supreme Court to dismiss the case. Indeed, the Court sometimes allows intervention in such cases.

Third, even if the Court thinks intervention is unnecessary, it will simply deny the request for leave to intervene. It won't dismiss the case because a petition to intervene was filed.

cojoel

(957 posts)
10. There were a lot of issues with this "hail mary" play
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 01:02 PM
Dec 2020

besides the detail the game clock had expired.

Unsportsmanlike conduct for calling time out but were out of time outs.
Illegal formation.
Illegal procedure.
Illegal shift.
Illegal use of hand to the face by the offense
Offensive pass interference

All penalties are declined*. The game is over!

*All misconduct will be reviewed by the league and further sanctions may be forthcoming

LudwigPastorius

(9,174 posts)
23. Is there a penalty for it having been filed by someone who was indicted on three felony charges?
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 02:55 PM
Dec 2020

That seems like a 5-yarder, at least.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,791 posts)
11. Trump keeps saying the quiet things OUT LOUD
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 01:04 PM
Dec 2020

Which gives away the game and stops him in his tracks. Trump has not learned anything about the law, or how Government works.

Jirel

(2,025 posts)
12. This is about a relevant as debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 01:23 PM
Dec 2020

A state has no standing to challenge votes in another state. It's already dead on arrival.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,567 posts)
25. Excellnt point!
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 03:27 PM
Dec 2020

If "states rights" means that the federal govt shouldn't meddle in a state's internal issues, how can a coequal entity do it?

musclecar6

(1,690 posts)
20. He's
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 02:38 PM
Dec 2020


Grifting more money out of the pockets of the MAGA morons and enjoying his last hurrah trying to come up with a Hail Mary stunt to somehow miraculously overturn the election. Good luck asshole.

birdographer

(1,339 posts)
21. He is beyond terrified at this point, isn't he?
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 02:41 PM
Dec 2020

And somehow his republican thugs are soaking up that fear themselves. We thought they were off the rails before... This has nothing to do with his inability to lose anymore, I think this is moving into prison territory. He knows what's coming when he leaves.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,567 posts)
24. I'm very diappointed in Vladeck giving them a heads-up!
Wed Dec 9, 2020, 03:25 PM
Dec 2020

As far as inadvertently "underming the lawsuit" goes...I'm grateful he hasn't stumbled into a war this way. This is small potatoes.

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