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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe should impeach
And name every crime we think Trump may have committed.
Not to remove him, but to prevent a pardon. The constitution explicitly carves out cases of impeachment when defining presidential pardon powers
They could still argue that the pardon doesn't apply to impeachment but on DoJ proseuctions....but thats something we could fight.
sfstaxprep
(9,999 posts)I'd bet ANY amount against that happening. No Chance.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)We'd pay no political price for it. Just impeach and never send it to the senate.
drray23
(7,855 posts)that would be stupid and ensure a government shutdown. Enough people have lost their jobs already. Lets instead document everything and prosecute after january 20th when we have a working justice department again.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)That could have applied before Trump tried to start a civil war. Now I'm in the mood to fight.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fortunately, there will be no monuments for trump.
onenote
(44,160 posts)Someone who is impeached can't have the impeachment overturned via a pardon. But that doesn't mean the person who was impeached can't be charged with criminal offenses and pardoned for those.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)Because its never been tested.
mahatmakanejeeves
(60,422 posts)Clinton was impeached, but his pardons held up.
If you want to fight, vote on the lower levels. School board, dogcatcher, county board of supervisors.
Think globally; act locally.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)So idk what you're talking about.
mahatmakanejeeves
(60,422 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)As a tool to either keep Trump from pardoning himself or to fight that pardon later.
It has nothing to do with anything else. Its about doing what we can to prevent him pardoning himself. Even if it's just making it so that he can't admit he's guilty by taking the pardon.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The Constitution doesn't bar a president from granting problems. It simply prohibits him from pardoning anyone from being impeached.
onenote
(44,160 posts)on an impeachment process.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)Lets try to act like we have faith in the criminal justice system to deal with him in an appropriate way. It would be nice if we could try to find some way to govern like adults. Impeaching Trump in the last six weeks of his reign makes no sense.
Trump will get his.
IADEMO2004
(5,840 posts)Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)states can get him.
Ligyron
(7,832 posts)Can that be used as evidence in state court? He cant take the 5th either but will do doubt lie anyway.
They need to get hold of the complete Mueller Report.
Im obviously no lawyer, lol.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)Give up his 5th rights in cases that he pardons himself for.
That would mean he could be called to testify in federal court and have to tell the truth. If he lies he can be charged with perjury.
sarisataka
(20,715 posts)In Federal Court, the question referred to state courts.
There he could take the 5th and a Federal pardon would be ruled inadmissible as evidence of guilt.