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BGBD

(3,282 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:14 PM Dec 2020

We should impeach

And name every crime we think Trump may have committed.

Not to remove him, but to prevent a pardon. The constitution explicitly carves out cases of impeachment when defining presidential pardon powers

They could still argue that the pardon doesn't apply to impeachment but on DoJ proseuctions....but thats something we could fight.

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We should impeach (Original Post) BGBD Dec 2020 OP
Nice Thought, Not Gonna Happen sfstaxprep Dec 2020 #1
The only thing stopping us is us BGBD Dec 2020 #3
sure and jam the debt ceiling votes and covid relief votes. drray23 Dec 2020 #6
Time to move on. trump might deserve it, but still. Hoyt Dec 2020 #2
No BGBD Dec 2020 #4
Yeah, I live among people still fighting the Civil War. Hoyt Dec 2020 #5
Doesn't work like that. onenote Dec 2020 #7
You don't know how it works BGBD Dec 2020 #13
That's not what that means. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #8
Clinton didn't pardon himself BGBD Dec 2020 #14
That makes two of us. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2020 #15
You impeach BGBD Dec 2020 #16
Impeachments don't prevent pardons StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #9
We just lost a bunch of seats in the House. I guarantee Pelosi has no interest in wasting time onenote Dec 2020 #10
Trump will be gone in a few weeks. Chainfire Dec 2020 #11
With you 100% IADEMO2004 Dec 2020 #12
Waste of time...we don't have courts...just be glad Trump is leaving and hope the Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #17
If Trump pardons himself he admits to guilt? Ligyron Dec 2020 #18
No. sarisataka Dec 2020 #19
Well, he does BGBD Dec 2020 #20
He would not be able to take the 5th sarisataka Dec 2020 #21
 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
3. The only thing stopping us is us
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:18 PM
Dec 2020

We'd pay no political price for it. Just impeach and never send it to the senate.

drray23

(7,688 posts)
6. sure and jam the debt ceiling votes and covid relief votes.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:20 PM
Dec 2020

that would be stupid and ensure a government shutdown. Enough people have lost their jobs already. Lets instead document everything and prosecute after january 20th when we have a working justice department again.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
4. No
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:19 PM
Dec 2020

That could have applied before Trump tried to start a civil war. Now I'm in the mood to fight.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. Yeah, I live among people still fighting the Civil War.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:20 PM
Dec 2020

Fortunately, there will be no monuments for trump.

onenote

(43,404 posts)
7. Doesn't work like that.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:21 PM
Dec 2020

Someone who is impeached can't have the impeachment overturned via a pardon. But that doesn't mean the person who was impeached can't be charged with criminal offenses and pardoned for those.

mahatmakanejeeves

(58,740 posts)
8. That's not what that means.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:21 PM
Dec 2020

Clinton was impeached, but his pardons held up.

If you want to fight, vote on the lower levels. School board, dogcatcher, county board of supervisors.

Think globally; act locally.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
16. You impeach
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 09:43 PM
Dec 2020

As a tool to either keep Trump from pardoning himself or to fight that pardon later.

It has nothing to do with anything else. Its about doing what we can to prevent him pardoning himself. Even if it's just making it so that he can't admit he's guilty by taking the pardon.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
9. Impeachments don't prevent pardons
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:21 PM
Dec 2020

The Constitution doesn't bar a president from granting problems. It simply prohibits him from pardoning anyone from being impeached.

onenote

(43,404 posts)
10. We just lost a bunch of seats in the House. I guarantee Pelosi has no interest in wasting time
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:22 PM
Dec 2020

on an impeachment process.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
11. Trump will be gone in a few weeks.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 07:31 PM
Dec 2020

Lets try to act like we have faith in the criminal justice system to deal with him in an appropriate way. It would be nice if we could try to find some way to govern like adults. Impeaching Trump in the last six weeks of his reign makes no sense.

Trump will get his.

Demsrule86

(69,530 posts)
17. Waste of time...we don't have courts...just be glad Trump is leaving and hope the
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 09:44 PM
Dec 2020

states can get him.

Ligyron

(7,772 posts)
18. If Trump pardons himself he admits to guilt?
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 09:53 PM
Dec 2020

Can that be used as evidence in state court? He can’t take the 5th either but will do doubt lie anyway.

They need to get hold of the complete Mueller Report.

I’m obviously no lawyer, lol.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
20. Well, he does
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 04:16 PM
Dec 2020

Give up his 5th rights in cases that he pardons himself for.

That would mean he could be called to testify in federal court and have to tell the truth. If he lies he can be charged with perjury.

sarisataka

(19,634 posts)
21. He would not be able to take the 5th
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 04:25 PM
Dec 2020

In Federal Court, the question referred to state courts.

There he could take the 5th and a Federal pardon would be ruled inadmissible as evidence of guilt.

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